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Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:23 am


As you Know Frances will strike the Us mainland soon, I will be seeing the storm first hand as I leave tomorrow. I was just wondering If any A.net Members were going to be affected by the storm and if anyone had any storm related Questions for me, I will try to answer them the best I can if you do but I wish everyone the best of luck. I think it is sad that Florida Has to be hit by a double whammy of two very strong storms in such a short period. Good Luck to All.

Mike
 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:28 am

Hey Cb, I just had a terrible thought... What if Frances were to pull a "Floyd" and hit NYC dead-on as a Cat.3 at the end of the Republican Convention?

Like I said in the other thread, I hope she pulls a "Lili" instead and loses strength right before landfall.


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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:14 am

I most likely will be affected but not have Hurricane force winds if it stays on its track. But from the lessons we learned from Andrew and Charley and the computer models are not always right. Hope to best for anyone in the storms path and the Bahamas who are getting hit now.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:31 am

What if Frances were to pull a "Floyd" and hit NYC dead-on as a Cat.3 at the end of the Republican Convention?

It would be sign from above. Smile
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:00 am

Interesting press statement today...


Praise be to allah! The Floridian Americans will now drown in their own rain! Iraq finally gets it's revenge. Unfortunately, as a result of this storm, I will have to cancel my Disney Cruise Line reservations for next month"

Naw, but seriously....my place in Orlando is gonna get nailed, I'm headed to Jacksonville next, then probably to alabama, gonna fly with my friend to get his plane out of Jacksonville. Montgomery, here we come!

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:09 am

I know that usually, the only damage that occurs is it the trailers and smaller houses. But what about the multi-million dollar mansions on the beach front? I mean, people wouldn't build huge houses that would easily get demolished. Are there any damage to those builidings?
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:50 am

I know that usually, the only damage that occurs is it the trailers and smaller houses.

Dude, put the crack pipe down! Do a Google search and look at Homestead after Andrew went through! Country Walk (a supposedly well-built and expensive Arvida community) was flattened! Those weren't "smaller homes and trailers", they were large, site-built homes that fell apart.

Check out the thread below and look at the before and after pics of my large (3500 sq ft), site-built home.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/614061/

But what about the multi-million dollar mansions on the beach front? I mean, people wouldn't build huge houses that would easily get demolished. Are there any damage to those builidings?

ANY home can be damaged by a Cat4 - 5 hurricane - ANY home. People build large houses all the time, forgetting past history (Florida had gone 27 years without so much as a brush from a hurricane before Andrew blasted in, and 12 years beyond that before Charlie, and possibly Frances, hits back-to-back).

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:22 pm

Most damage is done by inland flooding. BUT, if you take a home and submit it to constant winds around 140-150 mph, I don't care how strong it is, its going to fall. Those are tornado strength winds, not to be messed with.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:32 pm

I live in Sebring, Fl and work in Avon Park. We are right in the middle of the state but Charley proved inland damage could be just as bad. Look at Hardee and Desoto Counties, they got destroyed. If the storm continues on its current path my county will take a direct hit and I worry about a lot of the buildings in our area. All the mobile homes will be gone, most buildings constructed of wood, and older/poor built buildings will be all destroyed.

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:46 pm

If Frances is the bride of Charley, she's looking to be *quite* a bitch.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:40 pm

Uuuh, I will be flying FRA-EWR-MCO on Saturday. Is there any serious danger of the EWR-MCO flight being cancelled?

I´ve never been in a hurricane so what do you guys suggest to do and not to do when I arrive?
 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:49 pm

Likewise 9V-SPF - I'm flying LHR-MIA on Saturday direct with BA. We're meant to be staying at the Fontainebleu Hilton on Miami Beach for a conference (I'm on the events team), but I'm pretty nervous now.

Experienced travellers here have advised to pack some clothes/shower bag etc in my hand luggage as it's looking likely that we'll either get diverted or cancelled if the weather is bad.

Never experienced a hurricane either - so not sure what to expect! If anyone could give any more advice/thoughts on whether we'll be affected that would be great!

Thanks,
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:16 pm

9V-SPF,

I would say your chances of the EWR-MCO portion being cancelled is quite high. The current track (at 5AM EDT/02-Sep) shows the Hurricane coming on shore at around 0200 local Saturday. By well before then, MCO will be a ghost town.

MIA may or may not be closed down.

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MxCntrlr

Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:18 pm

Here we go again. I hope everything up in Lake Wales goes good this round!

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:22 pm

So I have to prepare for involuntarily staying quite a while at Newark. Does anybody know about Continental´s policies in such cases (accomodation, rebooking)?
 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:23 pm

Me too, DL763, me too. And I hope all goes well for you in Sebring! Good luck, dude and keep your head down!

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MxCntrly

Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:53 pm

Thanks man, My house is very well built so I am not worried about it. We have an industrial generator at the house to so thats good. I will be riding out the storm here at the police dept where I work so I should be safe!

I will be giving constant updates on here if the internet connection stays up when the storm hits!

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:43 pm

NoelG,9V-SPF: Many airports will be closed. You everyone going to Florida on Saturday does not have to worry about going into a hurricane because you wont. The Hurricane will be gone by the time flights are allowed back in.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:52 pm

>>So I have to prepare for involuntarily staying quite a while at Newark. Does anybody know about Continental´s policies in such cases (accomodation, rebooking)?<<


Continental is already offering a weather waiver I believe... you should call immediately to change your plans... at this point, you can count on MCO being closed on Saturday.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:10 am

Update as of 1500Z - most of the Eastern Florida coastline is now on Hurricane Warning, according to the National Hurricane Center (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/). Does this mean they evacuate?

Noel.

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:20 am

well you can be damn sure no one in the important state of florida will really be watching the convention tonight!

i hope this storm doesnt turn out as badly as predicted!
 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:43 am

I am flying BOS-TPA monday morning... and then driving to my sisters in North Port (sarasota county) wheee
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:48 am

Good luck guys...stay safe and dry, and don't forget about your pets!
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:01 am

2.5 Million are being ask to evacuate in Florida. FLL will close 10am tommarrow MIA has not made a state ment.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:14 am

Disregard.


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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:18 am

CO will be cancelling flights beginning tomorrow. SOCC is working on the plan presently...stay tuned.

Just heard on the radio that they're about to close the southbound lanes of I-5, make it northbound only to accommodate the expected crush of traffic going north for safety. As wide as this sucker is, that could be a looooong car ride.

Hey- sidebar question for anyone who knows: what is the max wind strength that the NASA Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) at Cape Canaveral can withstand?

That thing is a HUGE target! :0)
 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:24 am

Slider,

I saw that map of the hurricane and it looks enormous! Lets hope the people make it through. By the way...I assume you meant the I-95 since the I-5 runs through California  Laugh out loud
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:44 am

Cape Canaveral and Kennedy Space Center have now been ordered to evacuate completely. Nobody will remain, not even a skeleton crew.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:15 am

Officially, MCO will close at 1200 local tomorrow (03-Sep). Who knows when it will reopen. SFB and ORL are closing at similar times.

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:25 am



Good luck, everyone.

Delta767 -- my grandparents used to live in Lake Placid and we went to Sebring for church and Highlands Hammock hikes. There also used to be a funny restaurant there called The Cat House where we ate, but I think it closed down in the early 1990s. My aunt evacuated to Lake Placid during Charley and got worse of it there than in Palmetto! Best wishes...

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:36 am

9V-SPF, they will most likely notify you before you leave Frankfurt.

But on the odd chance you do get stranded in Newark Im positive CO will accomodate you, it's not Orlando but Manhattan is nice in September.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:31 am

Cape Canaveral and Kennedy Space Center have now been ordered to evacuate completely. Nobody will remain, not even a skeleton crew.

Some security people certainly must be staying, I can't believe an installation like that would be left totally unsecured.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:17 pm

There may be some good news for Florida. Frances has already hit the Turks and Caicos Islands, and early reports say that damage was fairly minor.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:59 pm

Thank you STT757, my EWR-FRA flight (CO392) has now officialy been cancelled. I will now call CO and try to rebook the EWR-MCO section on Monday. So indeed, I might be able to enjoy New York for one or two days (haven´t been there for over three years).

I´m wishing you guys in Florida all the best and hope that Frances continues to weaken!
 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:07 pm

Well BA have cancelled tomorrow, so I'm now booked LHR-MIA Sunday on AA (J class as that's all that's available!) all being well....but even that could be cancelled if weather remains bad!

Noel.
 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:24 pm

Now looking more doubtful we'll go - AA should still fly in but if the event in MIA is cancelled then it's a no-no  Sad

There is a tropical storm brewing out in the caribbean that's forecast to turn into a hurricane (Tropical Storm Ivan) which also looks like it's headed through the Caribbean, in the direction of Florida - let's hope it doesn't get to that stage.

 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:45 pm

Well, now there's as well the tropical storm Ivan as NoelG was talking about. Living pretty much on the track that is making me worried. Hopefully it will steer north of my island... I lived in Orlando till about a month ago for 3 years, so I certainly would like to hope one last time that Frances make a surprising turns towards the north..... It's been a crazy hurricane season, hasn't it?
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:14 am

I am writing from the western end of the island of New Providence/Bahamas.

We are currently experiencing winds around 80 mph with higher gusts. It appears that Frances got weaker over night and smaller, too. So we were lucky.

The phones have been working all the time, electricity, cable and Internet just came back.

The damage I can see from where I am is minor. Roof tiles, leaves and small branches. All the big trees are still standing.

However, we are expecting these winds to stay with us for another 3 hours or so before slowly weakening. They may even increase, though I doubt it.

Tomorrow will be clean up day.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:26 am

well i know delta/song will let you change your tickets if you are traveling to FL between the 1st and the 7th...

I'm trying to figure if I want to change or not... TPA hasnt been closed yet... most the other airports, FLL, MIA, MCO are closed until sunday

If you were scheduled to travel September 1, 2004 through September 7, 2004, to, from, or through the following Florida cities on Delta, Delta Connection®, Delta-coded flights, or Song®, Delta's low fare service, you may make changes without penalty if you change your ticket by September 30, 2004 and complete travel by March 1, 2005. The travel window has been extended to help protect the value of your tickets and to provide you with flexible options for future travel.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:28 am

The rate this thing is going, this is going to make Andrew look like a bad thunderstorm.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/137131/0_21_090304_frances_sat_545.jpg

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:35 am

The rate this thing is going, this is going to make Andrew look like a bad thunderstorm.

If you read TransIsland's report from the Bahamas, it doesn't seem like any big deal. People in Florida might be worrying too much. As long as the storm does not strengthen unexpectedly, things should be reasonably safe.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:29 am

Winds have increased over the last 90-120 minutes, we no longer have electricity (typing from a laptop), but everything else still works. There's virtually NO rain with this one so far, which is very good news for our trees on the island (they get uprooted easier if the ground's soggy.)

The latest satellite image however suggests that it may get worse still.

I still don't think it compares to Michelle, Floyd our Andrew.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:57 am

Well, Frances has weakened to winds of 115 miles per hour, as of the 2 PM EDT advisory, and the barometric pressure continues to climb. I'm officially out of the storm's path, but for those of you who still are, I wish you all the best of luck:









 
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:08 am

Francis is not going to be anything like Andrew. The 5pm advisory is going to be an important one.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:33 am

Hang in there Transisland - and stay safe, all you Floridians.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:56 am

It looks like I may have underestimated her. Our local water tower is gone.

We are still experiencing 100mph winds, and our local forecast says it's gonna stay like that for 5-10 hours. I don't care whether some network declares Frances downgraded to a tropical storm.

Power, TV & Internet have been on and mostly off for the past couple of hours, it's getting dark now, so I won't be able to assess anything from my window until tomorrow morning.

Just spoke to some friends in FPO, the winds are picking up there, too. They are expecting the eye right at high tide. The airport is already 4 ft under water.
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Translsland/Redngold

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:44 pm

Trans, I hope your ok down their, I saw some pics from The Bahamas and things didnt look that good.

Redngold, Its a small world out their! What church did they go to in Sebring? Also, I live right on the edge of Highlands Hammock State Park in a golf community called Golf Hammock. I remember the Cat House a few years ago, you are correct on them closing it down. So far things are looking ok right now, the storm has weakened so its doubtful we will get sustained Hurricane Force winds.

Crap, I gotta go. I will post in a few.

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:53 pm

She is looking quite ragged.... She has lost all her deep convection around the eye. There is no more eye actually, or closed circulation. She is undergoing shear on the west side, and dry air entrainment which she will not recover from before landfall on the FL east coast. Which is a good thing becasue its forecast to make landfall over my house.

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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:59 pm

Isn't she down to a cat II storm by now.


Hey Trans keep your head down.
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RE: Bride Of Charley, Hurricane Frances

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:36 pm

Trans: The water tower is down. Is that the one behind downtown or another one. That thing has been there for a long time. Hope everything is okay there. Stay safe. I heard of one fatality so far. While I am writing this you should not have much of the storm now. Plam Beach is getting the hit. Down here in Miami we will get Tropical storm and maybe some Hurricane. gust.
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