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Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:10 pm


Well the thunder of Thursday's headlines have already been stolen.. as seen on CNN's News Night, the top headline stories tomorrow are '(Kobe) Bryant Trial Dismissed' - Dallas .. and Keyes slams Cheney's Gay Daughter-Chicago. But every night at the RNC Convention protesters have interrupted the event. But the real story is outside. Over 1700 protesters have been arrested so far out-numbering those arrested during pandemonium of the DNC's 1968 love affair.

But this time around it's Dubya, the self-proclaimed hero of 9/11, returning to that very hollowed ground .. only to be met by a Sea of protesters! It's expected to number in the 100,000s.

Unquestionably, it would be awesome for the RNC to have New Yorkers welcoming them....not booing the hell out of them. This just doesn't look good and the protesters seems to be winning the day. Tomorrow... I guess we'll see...


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JetService
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:15 pm

I'm guessing the protestors are pissing off New Yorkers more than anyone. I feel sorry for citizens just trying to commute.
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JeffM
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:16 pm

"the protesters seems to be winning the day..

LOL... yea, right. What criteria are you using to make that statement? I have to hear the twisted logic behind this....
 
WellHung
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:27 pm

Well, they seem to be getting your panties in a bunch JeffM. That should be criteria enough.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:05 pm

Let's see, my brother and sister live in NY. They say its a pain in the ass. There are idiots everywhere handing them handbills and yelling into megaphones and clogging the transit system (as though it isn't stressed enough). Streets closed at random when some group decides to stage some kind of "spontaneous" demonstration.
 
teva
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:21 pm

1700 people arrested !!!
Welcome to the Country of Democracy and Free Speech.
If you don't agree with me, I arrest you....
That's impressive
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:26 pm

"I'm guessing the protestors are pissing off New Yorkers more than anyone. I feel sorry for citizens just trying to commute."

Actually the stupid and obnoxious police are randomly arresting New Yorkers who are passing by and holding them in a pen on Pier 57. Nearly 250 New Yorkers who had nothing to do with the protests were held there for over 16 hours with no access to lavatory facilities, phone calls to loved ones, or food. This included a pregnant woman who was on her way to see her OB/GYN.

So much for the GOPS's "people of compassion" and Bloomberg's NYPD.
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:36 pm

Put yourself in the NYPD's position. One of their own was beat on day 1. They don't know who is who. A common tactic in a time of uncertainty is to corral eveyone who may be involved and sort it out later. Sounds harsh, but that's what you get when groups of people can't behave.

As for the country of Democracy and Free Speech; we have the right to peaceful protest and demonstration. We don't have the right to infringe on others rights. When we do that, we invite sanctions.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:41 pm

The 1700 were arrested for disorderly conduct and/or tresspassing, which, last time I checked, is against the law.

If they arresting people for protesting (disagreeing), there would be a hell of a lot more arrests.

Agreee with them or not, but the fact that there were 100,000 people marching the streets of New York in protest is the very definition of free speech and democracy, thank you very much!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:42 pm

1700 people arrested !!!
Welcome to the Country of Democracy and Free Speech.
If you don't agree with me, I arrest you....
That's impressive
teva


ROFLMAO!!! Hey Teva, since you are such an expert on our Constitition, can you please tell me which amendment allows people to commit crimes with full immunity as long as they are protesting something?
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:43 pm

1700 arrested! And there's only a few hundred thousand protesters. Man, for a country that prides itself on free speech (and with "Liberty Int'l" just down the road), that doesn't look good. In London last year there was two million protesters against the war in Iraq in a single day (Feb 15), and I think the total arrests came out as single figures.
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:43 pm

RE: A common tactic in a time of uncertainty is to corral eveyone who may be involved and sort it out later.

To misquote an infamous bishop "Kill them all, God will claim his own".

Nice justice you got there.
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:46 pm

"Well, they seem to be getting your panties in a bunch JeffM."

Really? I'd love to hear your reasoning on that as well. But, true to your style, you have none. So, go slink back under your rock slug.  Big grin
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:55 pm

And how would you handle a large inter-mingled crowd in which some are causing trouble and others innocent? When the police are out-numbered they have to make quick, and sometimes harsh, decisions to maintain or re-establish order. Sometimes that means innocents will be taken in along with the "alleged guilty".

The alternative is to allow the situation to escalate beyond the ability of the local, assigned unit to contain. Now you have more police pouring into an area, and more demonstrators attracted to the area. How many more innocents will be hurt?

These groups have already shown they can be violent. The police should and must react quickly to contain the situation.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:08 pm

I am curious. Out of one hundred thousand protesters (that's a pretty common figure, so rightly or wrongly, let's use 100,000), how many persons do we think are dissenters from the greater NY area and how many are bussed in from other locales by democratic organizers or other anti-Bush groups? Regards...Jack
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:27 pm

Again, another case of Americans who cannot find anything better else to do...Sure, you can protest for a day or two. But dragging it on is just a pain in the A**. These people talk about how bad the economy but i don't see them helping.
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:52 pm

Cptkrell, from my understanding, a large portion of those folks are not from NYC but bussed in.

Cedarjet, single figure arrests with 2,000,000 people? That commendable. For some reason, we have too many wackos that feel they need to assault people and damage property to make a point. Its GOOD that they are arrested.
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:16 am

yeah, as far as ny'ers are concerned, a lot of people left the city early in the week. in my office for example, on my floor alone, monday and tuesday we had 8 people on my floor out of a normal 114, and the same situation for many of our other floors.

more annoying i have found as the week progresses are not so much the protestors but the republicans--in times square all the restaurants are holding special events for delegates each day, and today it took me a good 20 minutes to find the one entrance to my building i could enter through--as it changes each day.

moreover, the lockdown in the area around madison square garden is just KILLING retailes, since most uncredentialed pedestrians cant get in there, and of course the delegates arent shopping. what was supposed to be one of the busiest retailing weeks of the year with back to school shopping combined with the tax-free shopping week has turned out to be a bust for those retailers.

i'm very curious to see what sort of economic impact this convention will have been. it was sold to the city as a boon for economic inflow, but each nigt i go out, its a ghost town out there!
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:39 am

Do I really need any reasoning? Everything throws you over the edge. But since you asked, reasoning is:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/search.main?search_field=name&search=JeffM&search_active=1&search_table=non_aviation&search_order=id&submit=Search%21

I can feel your mustache twitching from here. And unlike B757300, when he made a similar comment, my nuts aren't slapping your chin.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:44 am

"And unlike B757300, when he made a similar comment, my nuts aren't slapping your chin."

I guess that must explain why every thing he says is unintelligible.
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slider
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:48 am

Put yourself in the NYPD's position. One of their own was beat on day 1.

EXACTLY! These people were/are breaking the law! Committing crimes, assaulting people for no reason and without provocation! I've seen some of them on TV, and they've done nothing but get right up in someone's face, yell at them, browbeat them and hope for a response. So far, not one conventioner has responded.

Again, this is just another stellar example in a long litany of crystal clear examples of the liberals--who preach "tolerance"--being the most intolerant, angry and misguided folks around.

These protesters have a right to PEACFUL assembly, as the Constitution provides. But you don't assault people who disagree with you, goad them into a fistfight in Manhattan, or jack with NYPD.

It proves how unhinged they truly are. Talk about meltdown.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:01 am

oh yes slider, i forgot, if they are protesting, they MUST not be republican.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:14 am

Slider just babbles. Ignore him.

I am in New York today and it seems dead in comparison to a regular Thursday (of course, it could also be that way because its the Thursday before Labor day). As far as arrests go, very few have occurred because the protestors became violent. A majority of arrests were because of crowd control, traffic blockage by protestors, obstruction of entry ways. The fact that one police officer was beaten by a violent protestor doesn't in any way justify random arrests of innocent tax paying New Yorkers who just happened to be present.

The Mayor should step in, and attend to the interests of New Yorkers who in a show of bipartisanship elected him, rather than kiss the asses of a bunch of rightwing yahoos in the convention hall who wouldn't elect a Jew if their lives depended on it.
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:23 am

i kinda like how mayor gloomberg is keeping his distance.

you didnt see him kissing bush's ass in queens last night, and bloomberg said "something came up"

ha, yeah, like catching big brother 5 on his tivo.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:33 am

reminds me of when bush came to London, loads of streets were closed because of whitehouse paranoia, and also to avoid bush and protestors in the same shot from any tv angle - he was not at all welcome.

hope NY'ers are not put off and have their say.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:55 am

oh yes slider, i forgot, if they are protesting, they MUST not be republican.

That has nothing to do with it. If some Repugulan scumbags got nasty in BOS and broke the law, they should have been arrested too.

I don't have any double-standard as far as the law goes, or as far as partisanship goes. I'm an independent.
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:42 am

The history however has shown that left wing demonstrators do tend to be more violent then demonstrators on the right.

The right wing is more likely to use the system to invoke positive change, while the left, as demonstrated at the WTO riots in Seattle are more likely to be the ones hurling stones.
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:49 am

"..my nuts aren't slapping your chin."

LOL...they probably have not slapped much but your knuckles from what others are telling me....  Wow!
 
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RE: Team Bush Vs The Protesters

Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:53 am

Sorry.....I don't have time to protest.....I have to go to work everyday.

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