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Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:13 am

is this a cheap way to bring in a mondeo?
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:50 pm

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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:09 pm

This thing is a TOTAL VW Passat knock-off! The designer of the Passat went to ford. They are so unoirginal.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:21 pm

it looks to me like a mondeo.

there already is a mondeo in the US...its called the Jaguar X-Type.

does anyone know how Ford is positioning this vehicle?
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:57 pm

This will be the Taurus replacement. It will come this fall with the 3.0L 24v Duratec engine. I was lucky enough to sit in one last weekend, and simply put, this car is a glorified Taurus. The front reminds me of a Camry...but at heart it is a Ford.

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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:34 pm

It uses the Volvo P2 platform - found under the S60/V70/S80/XC70/XC90 models.
 
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:04 pm

OMG!  Yeah sure

The rear light clusters say "Mercedes C-Class" to me, where as the front is VW Passat!





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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:24 pm

is this a cheap way to bring in a mondeo?

Ford already did that when it introduced the Contour/Mystique back in '95.

FYI, Mercury's version of the Five Hundred will be called Montego. This marks the 2nd time within a year that Mercury uses an old name (last used during the mid-'70s) on a new vehicle; its recently-introduced Freestar-clone uses the old Monterey name.

As AviatorTJ mentioned, this model will eventually replace the Taurus/Sable similar to how the original Taurus/Sable replaced the 'baby' LTD/Marquis back in '86; the two platforms were sold side-by-side for at least the first half of the model year with the older platform bowing out shortly thereafter.

If I'm not mistaken the Freestyle crossover vehicle (wagon/SUV) is also based on the Five Hundred/Montego platform; it even shares the same interior. No Mercury version of the Freestyle is planned as of yet.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:37 pm

Soon thousands of business travellers will have the joy of renting these cars at Hertz and Budget rent-a-car locations all over the US and Canada.


The Taurus was LONG overdue for a make-over, last complete redesign was in 1996. While the 500 looks like a good car it does not appear to have caught up to the segment leader Camry and Accord... which are a little more than half way through their product cycles.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:16 pm

The Taurus was LONG overdue for a make-over, last complete redesign was in 1996.

While the platform may date back to '96, the Taurus/Sable underwent a major exterior/interior overhaul in 2000; the Taurus sedan changes for that year were the most radical.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:23 am

Hertz and Budget will have to pay me to drive that!!!
 
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:02 am

well i was referring to the new mondeo, but is this actually a mondeo?

does the mondeo use Volvo's P2 platform or does it just look slightly similar?

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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:03 am

RE:1996 Taurus Styling....

Looks like a lot of folks didn't take too well to Mr. Telnack's "ovoid" style Taurus/Sable styling. The 2000 restyle was a good fix. The Focus was the only car that was able to look good with that "New Edge" or whatever Dearborn called it, look.

I like the 500. Too bad there's no 'conventional" wagon to go with it. I know the Freestyle is the 'crossover" that should fill that void left by the departing T/S wagons.

And what a pity about the Contour/Mystique. Great cars, but totally over shadowed by the cab-forward Chrysler mid size sedans, I thought. So much more room in a Cirrus/Stratus sedan, than a Contour. And what is it with Ford mid size cars? All great when introduced, sell like hot cakes, then discontinued without a second generation? Maverick, Fairmont, Focus, and Contour. All great cars when introduced, and all shuffled off to the dust bin...
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:16 am

No, the roofline is Passat, the front (headlights) is from the current Ford Freestar minivan. The back, maybe slightly Mercedes, but not to the extent that the Accord coupe is. The rims on it even look like what the B5 GLS Passats used to have.

While I deplore the car itself, I actually like the current Taurus' styling, especially with those 5-spoke alloy wheels.



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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:22 am

While the '86 Taurus/Sable were like something from another planet when they arrived, the '92 restyle lacked any imagination. They went overboard with the "fish mouth" 1996-1999 T/S twins, but whomever fixed the 200-2004 ought to get a raise. That car looked great. I was considering a Taurus wagon, back in 2002.

I remember standing in a Mercury dealership in 1986 looking at a Sable wagon, and thinking, at the age of 25, that this was a pretty cool car.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:29 am

All great when introduced, sell like hot cakes, then discontinued without a second generation? Maverick, Fairmont, Focus, and Contour. All great cars when introduced, and all shuffled off to the dust bin...

The Focus is still around; as a matter of fact the 2005 models (which are out now) had a modest facelift and interior redo. We shall see whether a second generation of this car will come out a few years down the road.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:48 am

The European Mondeo is a mid-size, the Taurus is a full-size.

The new Ford mid-size will be riding on the same platform as the Mazda6.


While many people didn't get that entire ovoid theme... it was a little overdone. The 2000 facelift did a good job, but by then a completely new product should have been introduced. I'd actually like to have a 96-99 and a 00-04 side-by-side. I am not sure if there is anything else, on the outside, that is different than the front and rear fascia. I suppose the fenders, trunk lid were modified a bit... but not radically different.

The Cougar was the other FoMoCo product that successfully pulled off the new edge styling. Another short-lived product unfortunately.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:52 am

Looking at that top picture, I had to do a double take, because at first I thought it was a picture of the old Ford Tempo. The Five Hundred looks like they took an old Tempo and stretched it a bit.

It was originally thought that they would build it at the Atlanta Ford Plant, which builds the Taurus and Sable; the Five Hundred is going to be built at the Chicago Plant that also currently builds the Taurus and Sable. Atlanta will continue building the last years of the Taurus and Sable and will start building a new Ford/Lincoln sport wagon in 2006.
 
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:04 pm

This is the Mondeo being sold in Mexico, I think this could have been a good car in the US market but it was never sold there...........I think some styling cues are very similar in both cars



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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:28 pm

Well I didn't know they were introducing the Five-Hundred in North-America...
I hope they'll bring the 5.0 V8 model as seen in Australia  Smile !
I like the style, very classic, but maybe a bit too anonymous for me... I would take a Mondeo or a Mazda6 over it. They could put a bit of personality on the design, à la Mazda, and I'm sure the sales would benefit of it.

I think they're going to introduce the Contour/Mystique replacement, build on the new Mazda6 platform, by the end of 2005, at least in Canada. I do hope that they will not be too much reliability problem on those models, because while the Contique where formidable cars to drive, some cars had more troubles than average. Build something as tough as my Tempo and my Topaz, and I'll buy it hehe  Big grin.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:46 pm

I have a cousin whose mother bought him a used Mystique. That thing has had recall after recall, like the Ford Focus. My aunt swears up and down that from here on out, she'll be going Honda.
 
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Mon Sep 06, 2004 3:45 am

As one of my high school friends put in her Senior Quote:

"Friends don't let friends drive Fords."

I've only ever owned one Ford, a 1990 Taurus, and I ended up putting in about half as much money into it for repairs in the 30 months I had it paid for it originally. I paid $3600 for it in January of 1996 and when I traded it in June of 1998 (surprisingly, I got $1000 for it in trade) I estimated that I had spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000 in repairs on it.

Of all of the cars I have had, that Ford was the most troublesome car I ever owned (the Nissan I had after that was a dog, but not to the extent that the Taurus was.) I've had the best luck with GM and Chrysler products.
 
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:52 am

DesertJets wrote "I suppose the (96-99 vs. 00-04 Taurus) fenders, trunk lid were modified a bit...but not radically different." Actually, this is where major tooling was invested; totally new rear quarters, fender and deck lid raised about a half-foot higher to get rid of the glass fishbowls and accomodate the more conservative backlight and side window openings. You are right, though, the styling flavor of the rest of the car was retained.

Taurus was the best-selling U.S. nameplate from it's introduction through the first year of the fishbowl (albet, Ford has a perpetual habit of including fleet sales in it's figures). I am not surprised that sales dropped off; the fishbowl was ungainly, except the wagon versions are definately camp.

I may have even seen a few Ford 500s here on the streets of Dearborn and not noticed them. Definately not good if so. I was expecting a more aggressive RWD proportion as shown at the Detroit auto show two years ago. The pictures posted above are sort of like a "me-too", almost invisible car with no personality. Maybe they should have named it 'Taurus II' ?

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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:44 pm

I think they're going to introduce the Contour/Mystique replacement, build on the new Mazda6 platform, by the end of 2005, at least in Canada.

Contour/Mystique replacement? Both cars were dropped after the 2000 model year. The Focus, which was originally intended to replace just the Escort, wound up replacing both the Escort and Contour.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:33 am

D'oh, PHLBOS, I meant, the TEMPO, not Focus! My bad....
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:06 am

Chrysler 300 decimated this garbage in sales numbers before it even came out. It doesn't stand a chance on the market.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:09 am

If Dodge makes the Magnum into a sedan, and lowers the price, then Ford will have some very stiff competition in that market segment.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:47 am

The "Five Hundred" name is meaningless without the ue of the great old Ford moniker: "Galaxy 500."
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:06 am

The "Five Hundred" name is meaningless without the use of the great old Ford moniker: "Galaxy 500."

From Coporal Ed Sanow's Enclyclopedia of American Police Cars, there were photos of a 1963 Ford 300 sedan in police gear. Trimwise, I believe that it fell between the Custom and Custom 500. The trim name lated only one year (like the '58 Chevy Delray). I guess with the Chrysler 300 name still around at the time, Ford calling a sedan (even a bare-bones model) a 300 would've been too confusing.

Back to the present, the Ford Five Hundred (I would've preferred it to be labelled as '500') name could work since no one else is using the 500 moniker. Personally, I would've rather seen the 500 name used on a potential rear-drive V8 successor to the Crown Vic. From Corp. Ed Sanow's book, which was written about 2 1/2 years ago; Ford Fleet has promised the police departments that the current Crown Vic platform would be around through 2006. Since the 2005 Five Hundred is a front-drive vehicle, I would be very surprised if Ford offerred a police package version of it. I would hope that Ford learned their lesson after the '90-'95 Taurus police package debacle. In short, a front-drive police pursuit car isn't as durable as a rear-driver.

I'd be curious to know whether the 427 show car (which was a big rear-drive sedan with a V10) could be a possible Crown Vic successor in a couple of years?
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:34 am

I've notice here in the Tampa bay area, PHLBOS, that a lot of local cop shops will order Vicky's in droves, BUT when the Dodge Intrepid gets into it's last year, they begin to turn up on our streets. Must be a good deal being offered by Dodge. Pinellas County has a good number, it seems of '04 Intrepid's.

I recall the Hillsborough Sheriff's office having issues w/the previous generation Intrepid.

One wonders in Daimler-Chrysler will bring out an "Enforcer 300" cop car.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:42 am

One wonders if Daimler-Chrysler will bring out an "Enforcer 300" cop car.

I would be surprised if Chrysler didn't offer a police package of the 300C (or Dodge offer a police package on its Magnum wagon). It's got the potential of being a real police car offering from Chrysler or Dodge since the '89 Diplomats and Gran Furys.

There may be some genuine competition in the police interceptor sedan market again.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:55 am

Ah, brings back memories of the 80's, or as some cops in our area called it, "The Decade of The DIP"

That wonderful Diplomat/Gran Fury would probably sell great, even today! Too bad they went and knocked down the factory in Kenosha.

That Magnum/300 line just begs to become a cop car. I think the Magnum would be a logical choice, as a COP 300 might be thought of as "downgrading" the car. Drop the Magnum clip on a 300, rename it "Polara" or "Monaco" and watch the police market line up at their door!
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:04 am

I think the Magnum would be a logical choice, as a COP 300 might be thought of as "downgrading" the car.

Wouldn't be the first time a Chrysler police car would be used. Remember the '79 Newports, and the '81 LeBarons? With the Plymouth nameplate gone, and no sedan version of the Magnum offerered as of yet; a stripped Chrysler 300 police sedan package is very doable.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:22 am

It should be rebaged, if they do a cop version. Call it a "Newport", or "Windsor" or something like that.

Somebody gave me a pair of books, a few years back, about Mopar Cop cars, and the 79-81 Newport/St.Regis/Gran Fury came in #2 on the list off all time great cruisers. Surprising, considering the trouble ChryCo. was in at the time.

And when I hear "Dodge Magnum" I still think of the great, almost forgotten Cordoba clone from '78-'79. Flop down headlamps and all....

And the #1 was the '69 Dodge/Plymouth "fuselage" bodied squad, if memory serves....
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:26 am

And the #1 was the '69 Dodge/Plymouth "fuselage" bodied squad, if memory serves....

Top speed of 147-149 mph with the 440 Magnum. No police-packaged SEDAN to date has gotten that high of a top speed rating; although the '95-'96 Chevy Caprice Police Package sedan came close (140 mph).
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:36 am

I wonder if Ford will attempt a RWD car, after the Vic get's put down. Seems to me that when the boy's in Dearborn see all the great press the 300 is getting, they would think twice about killing that platform. Even if it dates back to the Carter era! And GM has no "affordable" RWD cars, in the pipeline.

I'd wager a stretched 500 w/RWD would make a good replacement. OR do a "Pontiac" and import an Australian Ford, like Falcon, or Fairmont.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:53 am

For 2005 there will be "Special duty" versions of the Magnum available to police forces... with the 3.5L V6 and 5.7L Hemi V8.

The 4-door Dodge will be called the Charger. I believe it is set to debut at the NAIAS in Detroit. No doubt there will be a full police package available.




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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:58 am

Surprise, surprise, the current FWD Impala is in the pipeline to be replaced as a RWD as is the Monte Carlo. Sorry I can't give you specificities, but intro will not be that far off (well, not far off in GMese).

As for the conversation about DCX cop cars, police packages will be avail for Magnum shortly and then the RWD replacement for Intrepid (did someone mention "Daytona"?) Watch for the new RWD Daytona debut at, where else (?) the next Daytona 500.

Back to the Ford 500, I guess if GM can bastardise 'heritage' nameplates like Impala and Monte Carlo, and DCX can put the Daytona moniker on their less than squirt-generating former FWDs, then FoMoCo can make the same surrender to the marketing suits, too. I remember, though, when a '57 Fairlane 500 with one bank of the finned cast aluminum Thunderbird rocker covers partially hidden by Paxton (was it Paxton ?) supercharger plumbing from the factory meant something. Even a four door Fairlane 500, or it's 1959 successor, the Galaxy 500, was cool. This new offering isn't. Regards...Jack
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:39 pm

Maybe FoMoCo should have gone deeper into it's heritage, hung a horse collar grill on the 500, and called it something like, Pacer, Ranger, Corsair, or Citation!
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:57 pm

Somebody gave me a pair of books, a few years back, about Mopar Cop cars, and the 79-81 Newport/St.Regis/Gran Fury came in #2 on the list off all time great cruisers. Surprising, considering the trouble ChryCo. was in at the time.

The 79-81 R-body (Newport/New Yorker/St. Regis/Gran Fury) were designed prior to Lee Iacocca coming on board and prior to the bankruptcy issues Chrysler would face in 1979-1980. What caused Chrysler to go into financial distress were the oil price shocks of both 1974 and 1979. Say what you will about the Ford Pinto and Chevy Vega then later the Chevette but those vehicles helped keep customers in Ford and GM showrooms for a while... at least initially. In 1974, Chrysler Corp. has no such product; the imported Colts and Crickets weren't that great nor were big sellers. As a result, Chrysler started losing sales.

Had the Omni/Horizon cars not come out in 1978, Chrysler Corp. probably would have been toast a year later.

During the mid-to-late '70s, especially when gas prices were rising, the retail push was towards smaller cars. The CAFE laws that first took effect in 1978 triggered the downsizing trend across all cars sizes.

Police departments, on the other hand, were the exact opposite. They wanted the biggest possible cars with the biggest possible engines. At the time, the R-body was the largest vehicles available and the 360 V8 was the largest cop engine offered in 1980 & 1981 (except in California which was restricted to the 318).

If Iacocca had things his way at Chrysler, all the rear drive cars would have been gone after 1985. The M-body (Gran Fury/Diplomat/Fifth Avenue) lasted 4 years longer much to delight of many police departments.

Back to the Ford Five Hundred. I saw one on display at the Philadelphia Auto Show back in February but there was no floor model available to sit in. Since the styling isn't as wild as the '96-'99 Taurus, it could be a good seller provided that it doesn't have any major quirks or reliability problems later on.

Keep in mind that the market that the vehicle is targeted for (mid-size family sedan) is not interested in anything flashy, they just want a roomy, conservative but stylish sedan that will get them from point A to Point B with little or no fuss.

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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:42 pm

"In 1974, Chrysler Corp. has no such product; the imported Colts and Crickets weren't that great nor were big sellers. As a result, Chrysler started losing sales."

God, Lynn Townsend's (correct me if it wasn't him) acquisition of the Rootes Group was so bad. Let's take a Hillman, and call it a Plymouth. The Cricket was such a joke. I always thought that the Mitsubishi captive import Colt had been a strong seller. That Carousel coupe in white w/a blue vinyl top still looks good!

And it kills me how auto magazines go out of their way to bash cars like the OmniRizon twins and the K-car. Had they NOT been there, then there would have been no T-115 mini van, no Viper, no cab forward LH cars, no Neon, no Ram.....

Some time down the pike the car mags will criticize the Taurus for being 'too bar of soap". But what a breath taking change it was back in the day!
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:00 pm

In the auto industry you are only as good as your latest efforts and as bad as your worst product in the past 20 years.

While the mid-sized family sedan segment is full of rather bland appliances, there is a need to best your competition or at least stand out in one way or another. I do not think that the new Ford does either. It looks like a perfectly fine family appliance, as was the old car, but doesn't outshine the Camry or Accord in powertrain, looks, or content. And this is especially dangerous as the Accord and Camry will be up for a new model around 06/07.
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RE: Ford Five Hundred

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:09 pm

And whatever Mr. Goshen and Nissan may have up their sleeves, too, will give the 500 a good run. That Altima is a superior looking car, I thinks.
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