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Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:07 am

Just heard on WBAP (DFW) that Bill Clinton is on his way to the Columbia Medical for a quadruple by-pass.

Hope it goes well.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:09 am

Wow, never knew he was having heart trouble. Hope he's all right.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:09 am

Should have layed off the Egg McMuffins.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:15 am

Not my favorite president, but heartfelt thoughts and prayers to him and his family.

He was at our local Barnes and Noble for a book-signing two days ago.

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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:19 am

Well, I dislike his politics but I hope he has a quick recovery. Despite my personal feelings about Bill Clinton, wishing harm on him would bring me down to the level of those who wish for death on the current President.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:20 am

I know a few people that had that procedure. From what they say, it is becoming almost routine anymore, he should make it through just fine. I wish him the best, and a quick recovery.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:21 am

Well, I dislike his politics but I hope he has a quick recovery. Despite my personal feelings about Bill Clinton, wishing harm on him would bring me down to the level of those who wish for death on the current President.

Ditto... But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.

 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:27 am

Ditto... But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.


Don't spout on about things you have no idea or experience of. Even Richard Nixon considered socialised medicine to be a good idea. Healthcare is the last-gasp political football for those who don't have a clue, and it should NEVER be a right-left issue.

Anyway, a bypass these days is like having your appendix done. It's not even considered to be particularly serious if done by the keyhole method, and the patient is generally out within a week.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:35 am

But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.

Self-proclaimed best country in the world and 40 million people have no access to affordable basic medical insurance. Strange and sad.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:37 am

Ha! There goes old slick Willie again! If there's one thing that's as definite as death and taxes, it's that Clinton can't be trusted.

We all know he's not REALLY getting a quadruple by pass! This is just a distraction to reduce Bush's momentum coming off the convention!

No different than when he struck at bin Laden to distract the country from him getting a blow job!

He's probably off in some part of a Hollywood estate. What a selfish ego maniac!

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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:42 am

Healthcare is the last-gasp political football for those who don't have a clue, and it should NEVER be a right-left issue.

Best post on that topic I've ever seen here.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:43 am

Self-proclaimed best country in the world and 40 million people have no access to affordable basic medical insurance. Strange and sad.


Obviously not if you are a blatant apologist for those who put profit before health.

It's a proven fact that American healthcare per capita is both poorer in coverage and more expensive than the comparable healthcare in nations with socialised healthcare. But then again...socialised healthcare doesn't make billions on Wall Street. Does it?

Example: Metformin tablets. Millions use them for diabetes. Cost in the US about 50c each to the patient.

Cost to the socialised NHS...about 3.8c

Cost to a British diabetic...nil

Now tell me that private healthcare is *Soooo* much better as a frontline strategy?
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:50 am

Example: Metformin tablets. Millions use them for diabetes. Cost in the US about 50c each to the patient.

Cost to the socialised NHS...about 3.8c

Cost to a British diabetic...nil


Before anyone picks up on this, cost at point of use, nil. Cost to the individual taxpayer, £0.0000000000357. Hmm.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:51 am

I hope Bill recovers nicely and yes this is routine anymore and actually has a very low mortality rate especially for people his age.

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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:13 am

But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.

LOL.

I don't think we're having so many accidents during heart surgery in Europe.
But nonsense is always cool, isn't it ?
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:18 am

Example: Metformin tablets. Millions use them for diabetes. Cost in the US about 50c each to the patient.

Cost to the socialised NHS...about 3.8c

Cost to a British diabetic...nil

Now tell me that private healthcare is *Soooo* much better as a frontline strategy?


Ooohhh....50 cents!!! Ohmigod, how do people pay for that? What a horrible tragedy! It's criminal! Those poor, downtrodden diabetics must have to choose between food or medication daily! *tongue firmly implanted in cheek*  Yeah sure

Back on topic, I hope the former President has a safe, successful surgery and recovers well. Politics aside, I wish no ill will on him.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:29 am

Ooohhh....50 cents!!! Ohmigod, how do people pay for that? What a horrible tragedy! It's criminal! Those poor, downtrodden diabetics must have to choose between food or medication daily! *tongue firmly implanted in cheek*

You're only trumpeting aloud how much you really don't understand this at all, Slider. I won't go on, in the interest of not hijacking this thread.


Best wishes to Bill. He was president during the majority of my time as a US resident in the past and I rather liked the guy.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:31 am

50 cents a tablet is actually quite expensive. Then also consider all the other medications a diabetic may have to take. My grandmother is a diabetic who has to take a cocktail of medicine each morning. Some of those pills are 200 dollars a bottle.

Grow some compassion. It could be you someday.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:39 am

You're only trumpeting aloud how much you really don't understand this at all, Slider.

I understand that universal socialized health care is not a Constitutional right.

I understand that the United States has the FINEST health care on the planet.

I also understand that we have a health COST crisis. The reasons for that are numerous--among them:

* US companies engage in the most R&D anywhere on the planet. They shouldn't have to give away their product and the fruits of their energies.
* The insurance system is completely screwed up. This is a sep thread altogether.
* Illegal immigration: the costs of providing free unlimited medical care has already manifested itself in terms of higher insurance costs, escalated "rack" costs for basic care and procedures, and has burdened the rest of the system.
* Tort reform: medical malpractice claims and the punitive damages promoted by a corrupt trial lawyers association and runaway litigiousness hamper doctors.

If Lilly develops a heart disease drug that someone can get that saves their life and maintains a healthy quality of life, and that drug costs $3 a day, then what the hell are people complaining about? That equates to $90 a month, but what is the price people will pay? Even the poor in America have satellite dishes, cell phones, etc, so don't dare preach to me about how screwed up OUR system is when the corrupt bureaucrats, the leeching illegal immigrants, and the liberals pontificate about the need to socialize health care. No one in America is being refused service.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:19 am

I understand that the United States has the FINEST health care on the planet.

No you don't. You have one of the best EMERGENCY care systems in the world. When comparing to socialised systems, the US spends hardly anything on prevention, because prevention doesn't generate profits for the big pharmaceutical companies. It's one of the reasons why costs are out of control. And prevention is at least as important as emergency care, if not even more important.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:25 am

Scorpio- I will concur with you about prevention. Most of that is driven by unhealthy lifestyles. The downside of a free society is that people are free to shovel crap into them, consume bad stuff and ultimately, drive costs of medical care and medical resources out of reach of others.

We are the richest country on the planet, and we are the fattest. It's embarrassing. Good point!
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:36 am

Amongst wealthy countries, you have both the best and the worst. Fine if you have access to the best, not so if you don't. It's a decision every society has to come to, how you distribute health resources. It just worries me slightly that some people don't seem to care about those who don't get it.

Best wishes to Mr Clinton.

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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:53 am

Do you think Hillary will go visit him?
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:56 am

Do you think Hillary will go visit him?

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy Ha! If so, she should call first so as not to interrupt his dalliances with any of the nurses.

Good luck Bill! Get well soon Bubba.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:56 am

I think his heart trouble was more due to the Bush -- Kerry topics on this forum.

Anyways I just hope the best for him. Get well soon Bill.
And also remember if you somehow compete for the elections, I always voting for you.

Get well soon  Smile
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:22 am

We can all think what we want about Bubba's politics but I think that we can all agree on the fact that it would probably be a blast to party with the man.

Get well soon big guy.

Maybe Hillary will try to have him neutered while he's in the hospital.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:29 am

Too bad he didn't have an intern to keep him in good better health!
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:42 am

Ditto... But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.

Are you suggesting that people who do rely on Socialized Medicine can't get by-pass surgery?

I would suggest that persons in the US who don't have health insurance are less likely to be readily offered such a procedure. And as far as the "best" goes, I highly doubt that the same doctor that will be mending Clinton won't touch someone with no insurance or other means to pay.

What's the sense of having the "best" when its not accessible?

Well, I dislike his politics but I hope he has a quick recovery. Despite my personal feelings about Bill Clinton, wishing harm on him would bring me down to the level of those who wish for death on the current President.

Wow...not only quite an ignorant statement in my opinion, its flamebait if I've ever seen it. I haven't seen a single instance on this forum where someone calls for the death of any President.

 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:51 am

I highly doubt that the same doctor that will be mending Clinton won't touch someone with no insurance or other means to pay.

I think that is a very offending statement about the U.S. healthcare system. When my grandfather came to visit here 14 years ago, he had a stroke and obviously no means to pay, yet the hospital took him in without ANY question of how he will pay.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:06 am

So when are you going to give us the money you owe us? Freeloader.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:15 am

I understand that the United States has the FINEST health care on the planet.

I also understand that we have a health COST crisis.


Surely that's an oxymoron. The US could have the most amazing health care in the universe, but what good is it if almost 25% of Americans can't use it?


In 1996, 1 in 7 American children didn't have health insurance. Doesn't that say something to you? Let's take it further. Does the right wing want to ensure that a child can't be killed in an abortion, but then not invest in healthcare so it can't get health care once it's born? Where's the moral supremacy in that?
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:17 am

So when are you going to give us the money you owe us? Freeloader.

Who?
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:24 am

The american taxpayers who ended up footing the bill for your grandfather. Is there no sense of familial honor and duty to pay one's debts?
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:30 am

Um...no our family did pay it off. I was trying to make a point to Airplay that the medical profession here will not deny service to anyone on ability to pay.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:34 am

I'm just joking.

Your point is very valid. There is a federal law (which I believe requires that notice of its policies be posted in ER's) that requires all hospitals to provide emergency treatment without consideration of ability to pay.

The liberal notion that there are people who are dying in the US because they don't have access to healthcare is just false.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:35 am

The liberal notion that there are people who are dying in the US because they don't have access to healthcare is just false.

Clearly it's true. Cancer treatment isn't emergency healthcare.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:42 am

ack..too high strung today to catch the joke.

There is a federal law that requires all hospitals to provide emergency treatment without consideration of ability to pay.

Yes, and I believe the same goes for inpatient care too.


Clearly it's true. Cancer treatment isn't emergency healthcare.

We do have programs such as Medicare and Medicaid that pay for it. Not to mention employers that pay for it depending on position. You are also aware at how expensive chemotherapy is right? Even in European countries.


What a lot of non-Americans dont realize is that among those currently uninsured, some of them CHOOSE not to take the insurance. Many of these people are young and healthy and either have a small business or are not provided with benefits from work. I'm not saying that I would do the same in that situation, but pointing out where some of those uninsured numbers come from.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:51 am

Eligibility:
Medicaid eligibility is limited to individuals who fall into specified categories. The federal statute identifies over 25 different eligibility categories for which federal funds are available. These categories can be classified in to five broad coverage groups:

Pregnant Women;
Children and Teenagers;
Person who is Aged, Blind, and Disabled


So, can anyone get cancer treatment if they can't pay in the US?
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:52 am

"In 1996, 1 in 7 American children didn't have health insurance. Doesn't that say something to you? Let's take it further. Does the right wing want to ensure that a child can't be killed in an abortion, but then not invest in healthcare so it can't get health care once it's born?"


Why do you want the government to pay for your healthcare? Are you incapable of paying for it yourself? Why not just let the Gov't cover your car insurance, cell phone bill, heat, electric, and how about curbside trash pickup?

Oh, and I think the cost of having my house painted is a little high too, can't we just raise taxes a bit more to subsidize my next project?
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:56 am

Why do you want the government to pay for your healthcare? Are you incapable of paying for it yourself? Why not just let the Gov't cover your car insurance, cell phone bill, heat, electric, and how about curbside trash pickup?

Because I'd be perfectly ok using public transport and not using a mobile phone. In the UK the government WILL pay for heating, electricity and councils will provide free rubbish-disposal if you can't pay.

I don't need free healthcare, but many people do.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:01 am

I understand that universal socialized health care is not a Constitutional right.

You're right there, Slider. I've always felt that the Constitution was self-defeating in that way. After all, if one does not have their health, all other rights in the Constitution suddenly become much less important.

Virtually all of the arguments against socialized health care have been heard 50+ years ago in countries who now have it. However, despite the need for reform (as there is in any health care system), there are very little who would want to revert back to the previous method of non-socialized health care. I would chalk it up mostly to fear of the unknown.


...and the liberals pontificate about the need to socialize health care.

There will always be those who have nothing better to say other than that is is a "liberal" idea. Liberal, conservative, fascist... whatever. We all have the same common biology and the preservation of its health is fundamental to continuation of our species -- no matter what the political ideology.


Oh, and I think the cost of having my house painted is a little high too, can't we just raise taxes a bit more to subsidize my next project?

JeffM, your analogy has one major flaw. Your life is dependent on good health. It is not dependent on having a nicely painted house.

[Edited 2004-09-04 00:04:33]
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:02 am

"In the UK the government WILL pay for heating, electricity and councils will provide free rubbish-disposal if you can't pay. "

It's not your government paying for it dumbass, it is YOU and the other TAXPAYERS paying for it. How hard is that to understand?

 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:04 am

So, can anyone get cancer treatment if they can't pay in the US?

Yes, under medicare as cancer is a disabling disease. The system here is in need of reform but is not inhumane like you seem to be thinking.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:07 am

It's not your government paying for it dumbass, it is YOU and the other TAXPAYERS paying for it. How hard is that to understand?

Please no personal insults. The government gives out money to pay for heating, electricity and rubbish-disposal from the treasury, which is funded by tax-payers. It's quite a nice system, given that everyone gets heating, electricity and rubbish-disposal, regardless of whether they can pay or not.

National insurance pays for the NHS, which is different from bog-standard income tax. These are the NI rates, if you're intested. http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/rates/nic.htm

While you bitch and moan, check out what I was replying to:

Why do you want the government to pay for your healthcare? Are you incapable of paying for it yourself? Why not just let the Gov't cover your car insurance, cell phone bill, heat, electric, and how about curbside trash pickup?

Duh, idiot. Don't you realise that it's not the GOVERNMENT, it's the TAXPAYER? Dumbass. How hard is that to understand?

[Edited 2004-09-04 00:23:38]
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:22 am

Why do you want the government to pay for your healthcare? Are you incapable of paying for it yourself? Why not just let the Gov't cover your car insurance, cell phone bill, heat, electric, and how about curbside trash pickup?

Maybe because healthcare and cell phone bill are not equal commodities???

I understand that universal socialized health care is not a Constitutional right.

Funny how right to run around with guns is and even in 21st century the right to basic health care is not.
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:22 am

777236ER, that (Reply #43) was one of the most clever and witty posts I've seen around here in quite a while. (Not to mention correct and accurate, too.)

My respect.

[Edited 2004-09-04 00:27:30]
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:24 am

Yes, under medicare as cancer is a disabling disease. The system here is in need of reform but is not inhumane like you seem to be thinking.

I never said it was inhumane, but it apparently picks and chooses who should get treatment for what.

If everyone who needs healthcare gets it, as you're saying...don't you have socialised healthcare?

RT514, cheers!
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:34 am

No because government provided healthcare isn't given to the healthy, meaning that I cannot get medicare because I am financially capable to afford health insurance, young, and do not have a disabling disease.
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:18 am

Boeing7E7 said:

Ditto... But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.

You mean it's a good thing Clinton has health insurance right? And, as an ex-president I'm sure his coverage is provided by the federal government. Very nice of us. We also cover the insurance tab for all our legislators - a nice perk that they themselves proposed, passed and enjoy.

But consider the situation faced by an average Joe, one of the 42 million uninsured (presumably one of the many while being able to afford it, "chooses not to" according to one of the posters in this thread.) Say he's got a couple of kids, low-income housing, spouse also works to make ends meet - but has no employer-provided insurance or cannot pay the premiums and put food on the table. Who pays for the necessary heart surgery? What's the likely bill for that procedure and attendant recovery?

Since you are evidently in favor of maintaining the status-quo with regard to health-care, make your case that the current situation is acceptable, sustainable and *morally sound* for the most affluent society on the face of the planet.

[Edited 2004-09-04 04:21:55]
 
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RE: Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:31 am

"..everyone gets heating, electricity and rubbish-disposal, regardless of whether they can pay or not."

Where is the incentive to want to go to work and earn it? If you are going to pay for me, hell, I'll just stay home and collect my money from you.

Work hard, very hard..... lazy people are depending on you!

Excellent idea Dumb A$$!

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