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Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:25 am

It's just to fucking coincidental for me. When they get the son-of-a-bitch, I'll still pump my fist. But... this close to the election?????  Pissed

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=516&e=1&u=/ap/pakistan_bin_laden
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:30 am

It's just to fucking coincidental for me. When they get the son-of-a-bitch, I'll still pump my fist. But... this close to the election?????

I figured you would be smarter than to start this conspiracy horseshit.

 Insane



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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:31 am

All it could potentially take is money.

I'm convinced he is in Dagestan or somewhere like that, being given room board and dialysis by some warlord type. For the right money they would happily rat him out.

Hill country Pakistan is just too primitive for someone with major health issues. He has to be somewhere he can be treated for them. That would fit with the Antonovs which left Afghanistan just before the Coalition hit.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:42 am

It is rather suspicious. It's been nearly 3 (THREE) years since 9/11 and, miraculously, his capture seems as close as the next US Elections.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:48 am

HA! yah - I suppose this is a bit like: A major terrorist attack on this nation is "imminent".

LOL oh this is getting old.

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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:00 am

I'll bet the capture of bin laden lands within a week of the election. Thats just me.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:02 am

There is always an "october" surpise during an election year.
No big news there.

But I doubt they have him.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:16 am



>I'll bet the capture of bin laden lands within a week of the election. Thats just me.<<


Sad part of this is that many people couldnt see it for what it is.....nothin but a attempt to steal the election.....Bush cant win this one without some stunt.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:39 am

Fine, so what you're saying is that if we do find him, we do nothing because of the election? No, you think we already have him in the bag and are waiting the right time to spring it on the world. Let's see, how many people would that actually involve?

Well, The President and Vice-President, of course.
Secretary of Defense
A couple of "assistants to the secretary"
Theatre commander
Sub-unit commanders
The actual troops
Don't forget OBL himself and all his people
Oh yeah, and all the Pakastani forces that are in the area.

Yeah, I think we can keep that secret.

You know what? He's going to get caught sometime, maybe it will be tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe next month, maybe next year. It really doesn't matter, the President's enemies will always find a way to spin it.
 
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:17 am

You know Randy, you really come through as the brainwashed fool you are when you can say that a stunt is the only way Bush can win the election while he has an 11 point popular vote lead and a lead in the electoral college. His job approval is 54%, and no President has ever not been reelected with over 50% this late in an election year. Oh, and you know who was the last guy to jump straight from the Senate to the Presidency? John F. Kennedy. 44 years ago. A Kerry win would make history, and I don't see Kerry as any kind of history making candidate. No one is voting FOR Kerry, only against Bush. Kerry has no substance to his campaign other than "Bush Sucks Vote for Me!" and Senator Smilies as the runningmate. Of course the hardcore Dems and the brainwashed (like Randy) will vote for Kerry, but the swing vote isn't. The debates will give Bush a decisive and safe lead. Bush will have rock bottom expectations, while the "brilliant orator" Kerry will have the bar set very high. Kerry will have trouble keeping people awake, never mind actually helping his campaign. Bush will meet expectations by surviving, and, judging by the improvement in his oratory skills in the Convention address, should make quick work of destroying Kerry by one simple issue. Iraq. If Kerry goes pro-war, he loses the liberal base. They will flock to Nader, and probably push him above 5% nationally. That gives him federal matching funds and automatic ballot access in a lot of states, and it gives the Democrats a hard time for elections to come. If Kerry goes anti-war, the Lieberman/Miller style Democrats will flip to Bush. If Kerry can dodge enough and keep up the "yes no maybe bowl of mush" during the debates, the GOP attack dogs will slay him for the flip flopping. I just don't see how Kerry can win.



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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:24 am

You guys can't be serious. You think if they were REALLY close to catching him they'd broadcast it all over the media for everybody to see? That's like going on local news and saying you're going to rob a particular bank tomorrow. Give me a break.

Sept. 11 is getting near, people will be remembering... Nice timing to be "close" to nabbing OBL. I guess the raising the terror alert level game is losing its effectiveness.
 
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:25 am

i'm not holding my breath... that guy is too smart to get caught this easily. then again, all you have to do is make one mistake.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:29 am

nothin but a attempt to steal the election.....Bush cant win this one without some stunt.

Maybe you all are just too thick headed. Why would we wait to capture bin laden at the moment before the election ends when we know where he is, and what in the world makes you think that JUST Bush has control over when laden is captured??? Morons...
 
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:44 am

I agree with the thought that Osama will be captured in the near future - possibly very close to Election Day (which would give Bush the election). As I recall, wasn't Bush's popularity at a low when Saddam was captured? Then if I recall correctly, he became popular again, albeit for short time. I think that the military, CIA, etc. knows exactly where Osama is, and possibly even has infiltrators with him.

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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:48 am



>You know Randy, you really come through as the brainwashed fool<


I guess you might say there was 4700+ BWfools in MSG then....

I voted for Bush in 2000 because he SEEMED to be a man of integrity he has since proved otherwise......I wish those who accuse Kerry of Flip Flopping would take a look at there own Bush......youll find that you are a brainwashed hypocrite.

>JUST Bush has control over when laden is captured??? Morons...<

Like our intellegence agencys are that incompitant....Ill bet they know where OBL is within the size of the big Island of Hawaii.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:49 am

and what in the world makes you think that JUST Bush has control over when laden is captured??? Morons...

Bush... Control? Those two words shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Maybe if you replace the word "Bush" with "Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Delay, or Rice" Then we can talk.

Seriously though what is to stop him?
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:10 pm

Sorry guys

Will believe it when it happens,

We have been "Close" before remember.

Saying we are "close" is taking a risk if he isn't caputured, but I don't think the statements in the article mentioned where intended to indicate that we had him surrounded and where starting to pump tear gas into the cave.

Frankly I think the whole statement is meant more for Osama's ears rather then US domestic ears, if you get my meaning.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:15 pm





This cartoon says it all....think about it and its not anti-Kerry in anyway.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:50 pm

It's just to fucking coincidental for me. When they get the son-of-a-bitch, I'll still pump my fist. But... this close to the election?????

I figured you would be smarter than to start this conspiracy horseshit.


If it turns out to not be the case then I will ask you for salt and pepper so that I can eat my crow.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy But to me, this is a rumor, not a conspiracy theory and it has been floating around for a while now. But, if it happens, I stand by my first statement.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:32 pm

They've probably had UBL in captivity for a while, just waiting to release his capture at the last minute. October surprise anybody?

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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:21 pm

You really think he's already, or about to be captured?

Remind us again of the effectiveness of the intelligence services, really saw Sept 11th coming didn't they?
Really got all those fearsome WMDs nailed down in Iraq didn't they?
With their record, if he is captured, luck may well play a part.

You may never catch him, if Pakistan cannot, in their own territory, what chance a bunch of US forces loudly going in?

Would it matter if he was, he's a figure-head, an inspiration to like minded people, certainly now if not before he was ran out of Afghanistan.

AQ are a very loose, disparate group, not some baddies all holed up in some secret complex like a bad James Bond film.

Face it, the best chance was in 2001.

 
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Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:28 pm

The people who think that OBL is allready captured as the same people who believe in "Black Helicopter" theories.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:48 am

If they do capture him right before the election, well, it will be obvious then, and that's a terroristic way of working folks.

Now, they have been saying that they are "about to get him" so many times before, and we haven't gotten him yet.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:04 am

I wouldn't put it past Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et. al., to pull of a surprise "capture" of Osama bin Laden within 2-3 weeks of the election. It's just their style. It will only happen if Bush's lead shrinks to 1 or 2 points or if Kerry regains some momentum and retakes the lead. Otherwise, we won't likely hear anything about OBL.

I also voted for Bush in 2000 because I believed he was sincere and could be trusted. I won't be voting for Dubya in '04. I'm supporting Kerry all the way. Kerry's focus is where it ought to be right now - an economy that stinks!

This is not to say we shouldn't be concerned about the war on terror. We absolutely should continue to track down bin Laden and his Al Qaeda assassins. However, that effort should have NOTHING to do with Iraq. The war on terror is separate from Iraq. As long as bin Laden is alive and free, he is able to continue to recruit for Al Qaeda. He is able to spin his message of hatred for the U.S. Translation: OBL is still the most dangerous terrorist on the face of the Earth.

Bush tells us we're a safer world with Saddam in prison and out of power. I would correct him on one account: IRAQ is a safer country without Saddam in power. The rest of the world is still one huge target for the world's worst madman.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:10 am

Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Bush has been "close" for 3 years now. He's full of hot air.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:26 am

~"It's just to fucking coincidental for me... But... this close to the election?????"~

How many millions of dubya haters predicted an OBL capture this close to the election, say forever ago?...

Well, I'll surely be surprised if it goes down that way..  Big grin

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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:20 am

Wow, big deal. Catching Osama Bin Laden will do nothing to stop terrorism. People seem to think that terrorism will end with Bin Laden's capture. Two words: It won't. It will probably make terrorism worse, you can't forget that Osama Bin Laden is a hero to many in the Middle East.

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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:29 am

No big deal, not so sure.
He has done his time and is probably not leading anything of importance anymore, both because of reported poor heath and isolation.
But the day it happens, if it happens, there will likely be many new groups appearing in many places and probably many dormant cells will become active,
all in the name of the "great" man. A new wave nobody wants to experience.
The best that could happen is that he leaves this earth for natural causes, and his burial be fully documented.

Then I suppose he will ascend to heaven and probably have to answer a few embarassing questions from the God in which name he remote controlled so many atrocities.

 
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:34 am

Wow, big deal. Catching Osama Bin Laden will do nothing to stop terrorism. People seem to think that terrorism will end with Bin Laden's capture. Two words: It won't.

In all probability, true. But it will be a major psychological victory for many, many people. Not just Americans.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:08 am

Bush can win the election while he has an 11 point popular vote lead and a lead in the electoral college.

Yea, and Gore had the popular vote too.  Yeah sure

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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:38 am

Wow, big deal. Catching Osama Bin Laden will do nothing to stop terrorism. People seem to think that terrorism will end with Bin Laden's capture. Two words: It won't. It will probably make terrorism worse, you can't forget that Osama Bin Laden is a hero to many in the Middle East.

Based on history, this is one of the biggest fallacies ever proposed.

The "arab street" will be enraged...old news.

It's amazing how cowardly terrorist become when they don't have a leader. You cut off the head, you burn down every last one of the sonsabitches you find, and terrorism will be curtailed. Not eridicated, mind you, but severely hampered, not encouraged.


 
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:49 am



nuff said
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:33 am

Speaking about fallacies....
If you happen to practice a mental exercise called thinking, perhaps you would come to realize that OBL is not THE leader nowadays.

Dont you realize that
-he has no or little communication possibilities since almost three years (other than by runners),
-autonomous groups, some linked to the organisation, some not, are perpetrating attacks without needing his green light
-OBL is a f..g smart ass, his web of groups is meshed (by opposition to a star configuration)
-there are as many local leaders as there are groups and as many regional coordinators/decidors as there are regions
-he had two decades to make his plans and recruit
-their "force" is in their doctrine, not in the leader

In his view, the best is likely that the US does what he expects them to do, and he knows them well enough.
In all likelihood he has won on all sides until now.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:10 am

OBL is in Siberia working at a McDonald"s. He is terrorizing the onions and french fries.
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:17 am

Does Mc Do allow its staff to wear beards ?
 
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:30 pm

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if we already have him and Bush is waiting for his advisors to tell him (big surprise there....Bush not thinking for himself) when to make the capture official so as to score the most re-election points.
 
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:43 pm

To be honest,

I don't think they will ever capture OBL. He is to much of a snake.
And he has is bodyguards watching him 24/7. And Should they be attacked they would probably just move to a new place in the mountains.

Even though I doubt they will find him, I still hope they will give him the cruelest penalty if they ever find him.
 
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:04 am

Its not a conspiracy... just politics.

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Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:00 am

Sad thing is, even if by some miracle he is captured/killed any time between now and the election...

...Democrats would strive tirelessly to make it into a negative occasion.


That, I'd say, would be the most horrific result of it all  Sad
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RE: Capture Of Osama Bin Laden "close"...

Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:53 am

I'll go ahead and say it - we'll never take this guy alive.

Why? Because he knows to be captured will be to undo all he stands for. Consequently, if cornered by U.S. forces and escape is impossible, he will do one of the following:

  • order a bodyguard to kill him

  • kill himself

  • blow himself up in an attempt to take as many enemies with him as possible


  • Think about it - this guy hates the U.S. and western culture so much that he has decided it's worth going camping...FOREVER...to achieve his goals.

    He won't be taken alive - he'd rather be a martyr in hopes of others continuing his evil deeds.
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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:58 am

    ...Democrats would strive tirelessly to make it into a negative occasion.

    What a crock of shit.

    I'm a Democrat. I want bin Laden brought to Times Square and burned alive. Then I want dogs to eat his ashes, shit him out, burn the dog shit, then mix those ashes in concrete for the cornerstone of the new World Trade Center.

    Bush has not administered justice. He's had the suport, motive, and means. He's failed, and I feel he's let us all down. This is the main reason I feel he no longer deserves to be president. If he would have focused, we would have bin Laden by now, and this election would be a blow out.

    This "we're close" crap is politics. I was just suprised to hear we're still even looking for him.

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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:09 am

    Bush has not administered justice. He's had the suport, motive, and means. He's failed, and I feel he's let us all down.

    He's tried to capture the man. So far, he's proven very elusive, as did Saddam Hussein.

    We eventually found him, and we'll eventually find bin Laden as well.

    The difference is that the former Iraqi leader is a coward who values his own life and bin Laden, while totally nuts, probably has no problem with sacrificing his own life for his "cause."

    Another thing to keep in mind is that Hussein wouldn't have had much luck in trying to hide outside of Iraq, whereas bin Laden has been able to use those friendly to his cause in the mountainous regions of the Pakistani/Afghan border to help him hide and avoid capture.

    I'd hardly classify his being at-large as a "failure" by the President. It's an ongoing mission.
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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:45 am

    I'd hardly classify his being at-large as a "failure" by the President. It's an ongoing mission.

    We can put a man on the moon in 1969, but we cant find one on earth in 2004.

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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:26 am

    We can put a man on the moon in 1969, but we cant find one on earth in 2004.

    The moon wasn't actively trying to not have a man land on it, though.

    It's infinitely harder to achieve an objective when the object you're after is working against you to prevent you from completing the task at hand.
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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:45 am

    So you're making excuses for us not scowering the earth for the man responsible for killing 3000 innocent American citizens on our own ground?

    Wow, I'm starting to understand just how far some people will go to defend Bush.

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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:21 am

    Until we actually catch him, most of this is academic.

    Will he be found, I don't know, you would think that a guy over 6 foot tall with the most photographed face since Adolf would stand out, clearly not.

    I think that the only way that we will catch him is in someone turns him in.
    Will that happen, who knows. His people seem pretty committed, but your only need one.

    Will he be taken alive, I doubt it.

    Will he be killed, and become a martyr or will he be locked up for life, (in which case people will try to spring him).

    It might be best if he just vanished.

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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:31 am

    What a crock of shit.

    ....ah yes, just like they "didn't" do when Saddam was captured. Get real  Yeah sure
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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:41 am

    So you're making excuses for us not scowering the earth for the man responsible for killing 3000 innocent American citizens on our own ground?

    No, just refuting your asinine comparison of catching an international terrorist to sending a man to the moon - which, by the way, took nearly a decade after Kennedy announced the intent.

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    Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:51 am

    Haha you guys are incredibe...

    Everything is great...carry on!  Big grin

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