lehpron
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More Than 4 States Of Matter? Re: Black Holes

Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:25 am

Considering that most of the elements and compounds we've made or discovered have freezing, melting, and boiling points within a 10,000 degree range from zero kelvin, and that the plasmic effects may occur in the several hundred thousand to millions of degrees: what happens in the billions?

Or even the trillions? There much be so much disassociation that even the quarks themselves may come apart right? I want to know what can happen to each ions/anions charge while in the upper plasma stage if the temp continued to climb at temp extremes. What is going on at the acresion (sp?) disk of black holes where matter heats up like crazy as it is tightly wound towards the vortex?

Any theoretical/hypothetical guess are fine with me.
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RE: More Than 4 States Of Matter? Re: Black Holes

Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:46 am

It's actually spelled accretion and after researching I can't find much besides that.
 
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RE: More Than 4 States Of Matter? Re: Black Holes

Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:03 am

What is going on at the acresion (sp?) disk of black holes where matter heats up like crazy as it is tightly wound towards the vortex?

Not a lot, it doesn't get THAT hot. To get to the temperatues you want (GUT temperatures), you'd need to go back to the Big Bang.
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RE: More Than 4 States Of Matter? Re: Black Holes

Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:06 am

 
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RE: More Than 4 States Of Matter? Re: Black Holes

Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:13 am

there are more than 4 states of matter:

Liquid-Gas-Solid-Plasma and "Bose Einstein Condensation" is gas at absolute Zero temp

Absolute Zero is -459 degrees Fahrenheit
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RE: More Than 4 States Of Matter? Re: Black Holes

Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:20 am

Matt D; LOL, that's too funny. I cant stop laughing.  Laugh out loud  Nuts
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RE: More Than 4 States Of Matter? Re: Black Holes

Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:01 pm

Although my education is meager in this area, I think I agree with Matt D: I dont even know if there IS a theory for that, and even if there was we would have no way of proving it without massive, massive technological and innovative leaps. The friend that will answer your question is Jack Daniels.
 
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RE: More Than 4 States Of Matter? Re: Black Holes

Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:41 am

I don't get Matt's joke. Unless there is something wrong with an attempt to change the tone in the non-aviation forum...

Actually I was thinking about machines we have that have opposites. Like the motor/generator, lightbulb/solar cell, electrolysis/fuel cell, etc.

Would the opposite of a nuclear explosion spawn a black hole, be it a small one?

I figure a system that has to create so much heat that the matter within changes state to something else we won't understand. It is probably the only reason why we haven't been able to duplicate that, due to us expecting it to fall into known categories.

My thoughts are for transportation purposes, FYI.

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