L.1011
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IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:35 am

ILLINOIS
Survey USA September 12-14 618 likely voters
Kerry 49%
Bush 45%

FLORIDA
Survey USA September 12-14 607 likely voters
Bush 51%
Kerry 45%

NEVADA
Survey USA September 11-13 526 likely voters
Bush 51%
Kerry 47%

NEW YORK
Quinnipiac University September 7-12
929 Likely Voters
Kerry 47%
Bush 41%

Your thoughts?
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:42 am

Who's poll is this?
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:43 am

It's not over until it's over - BUT the fact that Kerry's lead is pretty slim in states that are historically Democrat strongholds doesn't look good for him.

Things can always change though...so while I'm hopeful Bush will win in November, I'm choosing not to tempt fate by prematurely declaring victory.  Big grin
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L.1011
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:43 am

Names of polling agencies are right there.
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:45 am

Who's poll is this?

It's not from CBS or Dan Rather......!!!!
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:48 am

Whoever said it isn't over till it's over hit it right on the head.
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:54 am

Man O Man I wish that was true ... Bush will continue his illegal hold on the American government regardless of the out come of this so called "election"
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:55 am

The election isn't over until late night on November 2nd. However, the polls are showing Kerry has a very large problem.

About the pollster, SurveyUSA has been shown to be fairly unbiss, but they've had a few duds which is expected in polling. Excluding their outlier polls, most tend to have a balanced sample of Democrats, Republicans, Independents/Third Parties and not bias toward the Democrats like ARG tends to do.
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:58 am

Your thoughts?

Until Nov. 2,



Those are my thoughts.

Have a nice day.  Smile
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:04 am

I thought you were talking about the fantasy of the Seahawks winning the Superbowl this year.
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:10 am

MIR !!! Perfect. Simply perfect.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:12 am

MIR !!! Perfect. Simply perfect.

Yep - nifty little red "X"...nice white box... I'm certainly impressed!  Insane
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Mir
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:15 am

Yep - nifty little red "X"...nice white box... I'm certainly impressed!

Hmm, maybe it can only be seen by liberals.  Smile

Try this: http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares3.jpg
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:06 am

Bravo Mir!!!!

"Whoever said it isn't over till it's over hit it right on the head." -well we could thank Yogi Berra for starters  Big grin

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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:09 am

I love it. DC10Guy has shown his hand too soon. Now, regardless of the outcome of the election, it's because of "Bush's illegal hold."

Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner - DC10Guy unwittingly became the first poster on a.net to start complaining about the outcome of the 2004 election before a single vote was cast. (What does that tell you about the confidence of the left?)

Dude aren't you worried about the Black helicopters that follow you around?
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:12 am

Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner - DC10Guy unwittingly became the first poster on a.net to start complaining about the outcome of the 2004 election before a single vote was cast. (What does that tell you about the confidence of the left?)

As an article (I think in National Review Online) said a few months ago:

In the liberal mindset:

If Bush loses the election it is a rejection of his policies

If he wins the election, he stole it.
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:18 am

That is very true 757-300, Who in there right mind would vote for Bush ??? Bush didn't win the last election yet he is president, I don't expect anything different this time.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:18 am

I'm all for BUSH BEING REELECTED...FOUR MORE YEARS!

But...in all seriousness...there's 48 some days yet to go, and that's light years away in political terms...anything can happen in that timeframe. My concern is that if the terrorists think Bush will win, they will try to strike. If Iraq goes downhill REALLY fast, i.e. if Saddam is somehow freed by a group of insurgents, Bush's fortunes can turn in a New York minute...  Sad
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:21 am

DC10Guy - then why are you going to even bother voting? Stay home.
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:16 pm

My wife, my 19 year old son and me will all show up and vote for Kerry .... But your right it ain't much use .... Bush & Co. ( he's too stupid to do anything but say what he's told) has a huge well organized cash rich machine. It will be impossible for Kerry to win .... But there is a chance so I will vote. It will be a sad day for the world when he re-seizes power ....
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:34 pm

It ain't over til it's over. Mir gets the prize for the best political post in months.
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:38 pm

They're both liars who are not committed to upholding the Constitution and who have both sold out because they're both members of the Establishment Party.

Frankly, I'm going to stay home on election day and not help legitimize this scam.
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:54 pm

Frankly, I'm going to stay home on election day and not help legitimize this scam.

Given the garbage (Zell Millar is a Nazi) you've been posting lately, why am I not surprised.
"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:57 pm

Pennsylvania:

Bush-49%

Kerry-46%

Nader-2%

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/poll_pennsylvania_040915.html

Of course Bush needs to be up by at least 5% to counter the voter fraud in Philly. In 2000 multiple (Democrat) precincts had 125% voter turnout.
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:16 pm

I figured this thread would be related to the article a while back titled "Does IT matter?"


Guess not...
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:26 pm

umm...Since it's over....should they not even bother having 'the Debates' then?


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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:30 pm

"Thank God"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But Hell...........who am I trying to kid!!!!

Do you honestly think it will ever be over?????????????????????


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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:41 pm

I agree with Vaporlock.

But this is only polls and they haven't had the debates yet. Does anyone know when they have planned the debates by the way?
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:43 pm

Bush shouldn't even be our president. The only reason he won was because it just happened to be his brothers state (Fla) that had the deciding vote on it, I smell a fix. Al Gore should be running for his 2nd term now but insted we have Bush/Kerry going at it. I can't stand either so I am voting for Jesse Jackson in a write in. John Kerry is clueless, but so is Bush so what's the difference.
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:55 pm

Jesse Jackson??? There are better write-ins than that.
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:58 pm

Bush shouldn't even be our president. The only reason he won was because it just happened to be his brothers state (Fla) that had the deciding vote on it, I smell a fix. Al Gore should be running for his 2nd term now but insted we have Bush/Kerry going at it.

Earth calling... Earth calling...

Are you STILL hung up about this, in spite of all the recounts?

I can't stand either so I am voting for Jesse Jackson in a write in.

So waste your vote on an extortion artist instead. That's bright. Thank God most people are brighter than this, even if they do vote for Kerry.

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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:38 pm

Minnesota:

Bush-46%

Kerry-44%

Ralph-1%

Pollster: Mason-Dixon (Probably the most reliable pollster for state results)

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/09/16_mccalluml_prezpoll/
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:01 pm

I would neither celebrate nor concede defeat yet...

Before the last elections here in Germany, each and every poll - including some exit polls on election day - told us that we wouldn't have to suffer through four more years of Gerhard Schröder as chancellor...

While polls manage to get quite close to the results, there are just way too many uncertainties to say "It's Over".

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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:03 pm

There's one thing I find very strange about elections in the US:

When a candidate has failed, he doesn't try another time, and the party chooses another unknown senator to be candidate.
It means that you never have a political life like we have in Europe with always the same faces arguing all along the years between elections (which make them very familiar). Kerry was nearly unknown 1 year ago, and now half of the population (I hope) wants to vote for him, that's a bit strange isn't it ?

Just to name an example close to me: Chirac trys to be pdt since 1981, Mitterrand tried already in 1965 ...
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:37 pm

When a candidate has failed, he doesn't try another time, and the party chooses another unknown senator to be candidate.

Simple. Nobody likes a loser.

Another reason: U.S. Presidential elections are very long. Campaigning takes well over a year and sometimes two. During that time, every bit of dirt in your past is dug up and ground in visciously by the press. How many people really want to repeat that long cycle over and over again? I'd be worried about someone who did. Doing it once might be explained by actually wanting to do something for the nation. Doing it 2 or 3 times would mean that above all he is power-hungry.

Personally, I do not like the way it is done in places like France, where the top politicians play musical chairs, swapping ministries back and forth and hoping eventually to be Prime Minister or President. Seems very incestuous to me, and it creates an established political class, which I despise. I want people in government who have actually worked for a living, earning a salary, dealing with shareholders, going to a bank for a mortgage without the power of a government behind them.

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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:41 pm

L.1011 - at least mention what the thread is about in the Topic: box. The vast majority of us simply don't care.
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:19 pm

Considering that this election will be decided by people who's only knowledge of "facts", would be the last political ad they heard (from both sides). This thing is far from over.
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:58 pm

umm...Since it's over....should they not even bother having 'the Debates' then?

We need the debates. It'll be hysterical to watch Kerry answer each and every question with, "Well, it's irrelevant what I'd do - all that's important is that I'm not George W. Bush."  Big grin


When a candidate has failed, he doesn't try another time, and the party chooses another unknown senator to be candidate

Even more interesting is the fact that the losing parties keep trotting out Senators as candidates, somehow expecting them to win.

Recent history shows that the electorate in the U.S. is MUCH more likely to elect a Governor than a Senator - the last sitting Senator elected to the Presidency was John F. Kennedy in 1960. Prior to JFK? Try Warren G. Harding in 1920!
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RE: IT'S Over!

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:17 pm

EA CO AS's post illustrates an interesting side note. The last two Senators elected POTUS died in office.
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:27 am

Simple. Nobody likes a loser.

This is ridiculous. You vote for a man because you like him and his ideas, not because he has won something.

During that time, every bit of dirt in your past is dug up and ground in visciously by the press

OK, but why. It doesn't happen in Europe, at least not that deep.

In France, they might play musical chairs like you say, but at least we know them very well.
They are not just temporary faces representing a party, but well known people that you hear for 20 years, and we know precisely what are their ideas.

I want people in government who have actually worked for a living, earning a salary

Because you think French politicians have more family money than Bush or Kerry ? Are you kidding ?
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RE: IT'S Over!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:15 am

All I will say is...
4 more years
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RE: IT'S Over!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:21 am

4 More years of what????

Bush's 12 point lead EVAPORATED... in 4 days!

HTF does that happen??? Nationwide

Harris Poll Bush 49% Kerry 48%

Pew Poll Kerry 46% Bush 46%

So L1011.. that Crow Soufflee must be tasting right about now?

Jeez...

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RE: IT'S Over!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:28 am

Simple. Nobody likes a loser.

This is ridiculous. You vote for a man because you like him and his ideas, not because he has won something.



Actually, I think this point has some merit to it. Americans have that thing about wanting to feel "special", being on the "winning" team, and going "with the majority".

We really are a nation of conformity whores. If we weren't, then there is no reason why the bland and tasteless music that constitutes the Weekly Top 40 (which interestingly no one I've ever known has ever admitted to liking) would remain as popular as it does.

It's because what MTV, Best Buy, and the "in" crowd tell us to listen to.

I really do believe that all things being equal, how a person looks and sounds is what REALLY determines the outcome of an election. Just look at 1996. We had:

Bill Clinton: The smoothest, slickest talking, distingushed, and handome President since Kennedy

or

Bob Dole:

A 70-something year old Senator who looked and talked like a cranky old geezer who was more concerned about where to get an early bird dinner special than running the country.

He got his ass buried in a landlside.

I don't think that for some reason, the whole country turned Liberal in 1996.

I just don't.


[Edited 2004-09-17 02:29:25]
 
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RE: IT'S Over!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:41 am

New Jersey is now RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush 49
Kerry 45
Nader 1

Electoral College
Bush 331
Kerry 229

Maine is Tied, New Hampshire is Tossup
Both were firmly Blue 2 weeks ago

NJ was Strong Kerry a Month ago
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RE: IT'S Over!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:39 am

According to the latest poll by Pew, Kerry and Bush are notted up at 46% among all voters ,and among likely voters, President Bush is up 47% to 46%.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=224

And New Jersey will go to Kerry.

It will go down to the last weekend, and Bush will win, because he'll take either Ohio, Florida or both.

And yes, no personal commentary on any of this. Thank you.
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RE: IT'S Over!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:11 pm

It will go down to the last weekend, and Bush will win, because he'll take either Ohio, Florida or both.

Here let me re-phrase this...

It will go down to the last weekend, and Bush will win, because DIEBOLD will deliver either Ohio, Florida (3 equal-in-worth states with electronic voting).

But right about now... they are wondering if they should 'cash' in on that homing device woven into Osama's favorite robe.

BN747





[Edited 2004-09-17 07:13:09]
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RE: IT'S Over!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:04 pm

The polls are all over the place; Investors' Business Daily shows a tie while Gallup gives Bush a 14-point lead.

When asked which candidate likely voters leaned toward, 54 percent chose Bush while 40 percent selected Kerry, with 3 percent choosing independent candidate Ralph Nader.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aafyZ4xCn4Zw&refer=top_world_news

Polling Report keeps a handy summary table, although they don't seem to list every poll.

Given that the polls are all over the map, I don't think we can say much except Bush seems to have the advantage. The state-by-state polls are much more interesting; if Bush is very close or actually ahead in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and New Jersey, Kerry is in trouble. He cannot afford to lose any of them.

Political futures markets, which are historically more accurate than polls, have really soured on Kerry in the last couple of weeks.

http://128.255.244.60/graphs/graph_Pres04_WTA.cfm
http://www.tradesports.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=148945&z=1095400764750

This race is far from over. The debates will swing some undecideds, and there's plenty of time for unexpected news to pop up. But time is now working against Kerry: every day the news is filled with hurricanes and CBS's fake memos is another lost opportunity to turn the ship around. In order to win, Kerry has got to "reframe" the debate, which is now being conducted on Bush's terms, and that becomes tougher and tougher by the day.

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