I was watching the debate that day, most people where pissed off that about 30,000 Iraqis are dead and didn't feel sympathy for those who deleivered supplies for the US Army or who worked with the US Army - and IMO these people can get perfectly normal jobs outside of Iraq, so by working in/for the US Army they are legitimate targets. The Italian, French, etc who had nothing to do with this at all dont deserve it. But military does, and they are not unjustified. In case your wondering, im part of that 7%, what I will be saying now is not because I support these animals, it is to explain why people think this.
For one thing, how many people in Arab countries even have telephones?
HAHAHA! Thats funny
When you live in one of those nations, you're brought up to learn two things: hate America, hate Israel. Never mind that you might lack basic utilities, or can't read, or women are subservient. Gotta keep the masses repressed in order to maintain power, breed more terrorists, etc.
HELLO! This isnt Africa, most people have have utilities and services available to them, woman in our societies are equal by law and by practice a lot of the time, you are looking at Afghanistan and Saudi, which are two halfass backward countries. The terrorists come from where, Slider? Saudi - ignorant, no education. Pakistan - ignorant, no education. Iraq - you figure that one out.
Support of hostage taking is very unfortunate, especially since the two men were innocent and slaughtered in such a brutal fashion. It only goes to show that the so-called support America has is next to non-existent.
People are going crazy over the huge death toll, so i'm not surpised by the reaction.
However, it appears that the Arab world is sick and tired of seeing pictures of bloody bodies, mothers and children with their brains blown to pieces, etc. While our media in a blatant showing of propaganda doesn't show the death of between 11,000 to 15,000 Iraqi civilians (depending on who's counting), the rest of the world isn't exactly engaging in such shameless red, white, and blue censorship. I think if you witnessed a successive montage of dead bodies on TV for nearly 2 years, you'd be less than shocked and troubled by the plight of two hostages, however hideous their plight may be.
THANK YOU! That explains it very well, and it would be the reaction of all you Red, White and Blue hot heads if the same was happening to the West or in the US, am I not mistaken? Most of you didn't care about the casualties in Iraq anyway - you were "jokin" about nuking it.
Go to any of the Gulf countries and you will think that that Texas is a third world nation in comparison.
The Gulf is rich and developed, but it is more religious and more of a "closed society" than the Western Arab countires, but even there the countries are very different - the only real backwards Gulf country is Saudi. Did you know that the kidnappers of Al-Khobar didn't even know there was such thing as a Christian Arab, and they spared all Arabs on the assumption that they were all Muslim? And that they started lecturing them for not growing their beards? That is something that comes up with poverty and lack of education, which is what Saudi is at exactly now.
Perhaps if they didn't learn to hate Jews and Americans when they are younger, there might be more progress towards peace in that region, but alas religion gets in the way.
Or if not so many Iraqis were killed. Its not religion, its what we see everyday - what Americans are doing to Iraqis, the suffering they are going through. You seriously think we are like you, we are going to forget the tens of thousands of dead civilians
and then feel all bad because of 2 Americans? What about what you guys are doing, you seem to have no problems with it.
Goddamn evil is what it is, not unfortunate.
So is supporting a war where this many civilians are dead, dont you think? Or do these people not count?
It's not a small percentage. It's a significant, troublesome minority, at the VERY least.
Which is growing thanks to things such as Iraq, and ruining our society as much as yours, but the people who are actually willing
to do something are still a tiny percantage.
You are comparing the deliberate kidnapping and murder of an innocent with the unfortunate collateral death and destruction that accompanies any war.
Collatoral? Go say that to mothers with dead children, husbands who lost their lives, families torn apart, homeless people whos houses were bombed. This war was started for no good reason, just for Dubya's greed for oil, so dont give me the collateral bullshit.
fail to understand why you seem to want to find excuses for these terrorists and their actions.
Well, its not excuses, its fact. People are sick of this, for good reason.
<b>I do not see the same terrorists kidnapping Iranians who shelled and bombed Iraq during the first first modern Gulf War
Thats because they were all gassed with chemicals!
Your sanctimonious, apologistic attitude toward the terrorists, and your ability to lay their murderous behaviour at the feet of the US, instead of at the feet of the religious zealots is disgusting.
So is American support to such a war.
They didn't seem to tire of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians being raped, tortured, and murdered by the Hussein regime.
Here we go with the Saddam was bad excuse again. Yes, he was very hated 707, and still is, but the fact that Americans are making things much worse is not exactly making people happy. When you people came in, you took responsibility for Iraq, and now it is nothing but a memory of what it used to be. Did you know most Iraqis think they were better of with Saddam?
Well, first of all we're talking about the Voice of Al-Qaeda doing a poll. Not the most reputable source. However, I do believe that in many parts of the Middle East the number is close to accurate but not every country.
Actually, these people call Al-Qaeda terrorists. They are a Qatari based private channel, with nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. And read BAs post.
However, I see very little that can be done to solve the problem but two things might start the process. One is that these people need to be dragged out of the 12th Century and into the modern world. They're still living in the Dark Ages and need to be forced, by any means necessary, into the 21st Century.
Emm, really? In Saudi, Pakistan, and Afghanistan yes. Everywhere else, we have normal societes. Don't beleive me? Come check it out.
Secondly, it may become necessary for them to suffer the same fate as Germany and Japan did in WWII.
Excuse me? Really? Your gonna nuke us because of a few beheadings, which are not very supported? LOL! So what about the 30,000 dead Iraqis, do we get to nuke you for those?
They learned the true horrors of war, had their populations decimated, cites and towns turned into smoldering rubble, and Allied troops marching through their streets to forcefully occupy their countries.
Iraqis are learning all this now.
Of course with Japan it took a double nuclear strike in order to burn them into submission. Today neither country is going around creating the mayhem they did in the first half of the 20th century. Both are peaceful and Japan is a free, stable republic and one of our best allies.
LOL! You are so full of crap. You people created this mess, don't blame it on us. When you come and do this people will become desperate, especially when they lose all they love. Typical response, you people think of yourself but not others.
applaud you on a post well done! Everything I have been saying about the palestinians/arabs, you have basically pointed out... Great post, one of the best I've read in a while - too bad we don't agree more!
The hell do Palestinians have to do with this?
What are you talking about? I think almost all Americans know that innocent civilian death in war is horrible.
Nobody seems to want us to nuke the US for them though? And there is still support for this war!
As said before, you're attempting to compare a deliberate kidnapping and gruesome murder of an innocent civilian........to accidental civilian deaths which always will occur in war
Well, people will get pretty pissed off after tens of thousands of accidents.
You're saying that one is just as bad as the other? Have you lost your damn mind, Jaysit?
Yes they are. It is your duty to restore order, not to destroy the country.
I wouldn't be suprised based on who Al Jazeera caters to in the first place. Guess what, this is the same station that went to Baghdad Bob (at least 1,000x more biased than Michael Moron) for information regarding the coalition troops, and people bought into that stuff.
Emm, they did interviews with Baghdad Bob, and with the American side, and with independant sources. 3 points of view, people beleived what they wanted to.
Their different value system isn't necessarily wrong. If they want to accept our value system it has to be their choice, they may like living in the dark ages, it is hard for us to believe, but we aren't them.
We are not in the dark ages, and even if we were, like you said, we're perfectly happy with it. You people do not control the entire world, don't tr to change our societies so you can get more puppet governments.
Ever give consideration that maybe, just maybe, this is where radical Islam stems from? There's no doubt in my mind that the majority of Muslims do indeed want to see the benefits of globalization, the technological revolution, and free trade.
The source of Islamic fundamentilism, hatred and so on is because many Muslims see themselves as being oppressed in many places (Iraq, Chechneya, Kashmir, Israel/Palestine, etc). They thing that makes them hate the west is what they see as oppression, more fighting and oppression will cause more hatred, extemism, and more importantly, "terrorism".
Yes, the Middle East does need to advance in line with the modern geopolitical paradigms, but hell, so does Africa.
The thing most people seem to fail to see is that the Arab world is not
, I repeat, not
on the same level. We have countries like Qatar and the UAE which have a very prosperous economy, which competes with Western economies, and we have countries like Jordan and Egypt, which do not have much capabilites but are open culterally, countires like Lebanon which are democracies, then, on a level on its own, Saudi Arabia. The Arab world is very differnt, I am now very different from a Qatari or a Saudi, I think different, talk different, dress different. We are different cultures, not the same.
Rather it's working to encourage positive political and social change and stamping out radical Islam - not Middle Eastern culture altogether.
You hit it on the nail. I love my culture, many Arabs wouldn't trade it in for the world, but what we need is to get it into the shape it was once at. We need new, better leaders, we need social reform, etc, something we hope to get soon. What we dont need is more fighting.
As I already stated, I do not support these people, and I am not saying what they are doing is right, but I am also a frustrated Arab who is sick of seeing these stereotypes, sick of seeing people in Iraq suffering and people in America not caring, sick of you people justifying it as collatoral damage. Please read this post properly before replying and attacking.
"The greatest threat to knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."