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Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:38 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-dodgers-green&prov=ap&type=lgns

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Los Angeles Dodgers slugger Shawn Green will sit out Saturday afternoon's game against the San Francisco Giants in observance of Yom Kippur.

The first baseman-outfielder said he will play Friday night when the Dodgers and Giants, battling for the NL West lead, play the opener of a three-game series in San Francisco.


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I've heard some pretty interesting opinions on this topic. Most of the talking heads in sports are saying that he is being irresponsible as a proffessional athlete by sitting out this game. I would have to disagree, as Yom Kippur is the holiest day in the entire year for Jews, and on such a personal decision as this, I think he should recieve support. He ultimatly would be missing friday night's game as well, but he is staying to support the team.

What do you think?
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:58 am

That should be fine. It is his beliefs after all.

This reminds me of welcome week 2 years ago at my school. Normally, students move in over the weekend and start classes on Thursday. That year, Yom Kippur fell on Thursday. Since UCLA has a high Jewish population, classes were moved to start 2 days early in effect, depriving other students (especially freshmen) of the fun and social experience of coming to a new environment. It just seemed odd because no other holidays got any such recognition.
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:29 am

I think he ought to sit out the game and observe whatever religious needs he is obliged to consider. I also think that if he did not specify this in his contract he ought to give back a prorated portion of his salary to the team in recognition that he is not willing to work when others are.

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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:36 am

It's strictly his decision..
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:40 am

He should play. Most of his customers (ie, fans) are Christians or least non-practising Jews, and hence Yom Kippur is a non-event for them.

Last time I checked, the customer is always right. If the game is scheduled on Yom Kippur, he should play.

If he sits out, he should be docked pay.

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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:53 am

If Yom Kippur starts tonight at sundown, why is playing tonight OK for him but not Saturday?

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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:56 am

If he's doing this, he should have sat out Rosh Hashana, too. If he can play during one, he can play during the other. Did he sit out passover, too? Friday night games and saturday afternoon games? He's obviously not that religious. It's bad enough that he's a shadow of his former self. Get on the field.
 
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:00 am

The Dodgers knew Green was an observant jew when they signed him. He's not springing a surprise on them. He has every right to sit this game out.
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:08 am

He should sit out, and he needn't be docked pay.
YYZ717, do you dock the pay of employees in your company if they don't come to work on Yom Kippur, or for EId-al-Fitr or Good Friday for that matter? Seems an utterly mean thing to do. What if a Jewish owner did that to a Christian on Good Friday or Christmas?
Now if you want to charge them a vacation day, so be it.

Even though he isn't religious, I understand the idea. I'm not religious, I went to Montreal on vacation for Rosh Ha Shannah, but I won't work on Yom Kippur, largely because I promised my father I never would, but frankly, if I'm not religious but want to take off to show my Jewish heritage and I stay home eating bon-bons and watching Jerry Springer, it's my business.

I understand that a few years back Hakeem Olojuwan (sp) was criticized in the Houston sports press a few years back, when they intimated that his dawn to dusk fast for Ramadan made him weak and ineffective at play (Often he couldn't have a meal before game-time) You know what f**k the press and the fans. It's his religion. Hakeem got my respect then.
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:08 am

And of course there is the Sandy Koufax precedent (coincidentally a fellow Dodger) for this as well...

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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:18 am

Any of you who think he should play have no consideration for religion! Your god will smite you all!

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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:36 am

If he's doing this, he should have sat out Rosh Hashana, too. If he can play during one, he can play during the other. Did he sit out passover, too? Friday night games and saturday afternoon games? He's obviously not that religious.

I have to say this is a very ignorant thing to say. He's not an orthodox jew, but still an observant one. Second, Yom Kippur is the holiest day of the year, for any Jew nothing is supposed to come before the observance of this holiday. At least he is showing dedication to both the team and his religion, and you and the media are still ripping on him and making assumptions like "he's obviously not that religious".
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:42 am

Yeah, he's so observant that he doesn't "observe" any holidays. Give me a break.  Insane
 
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:56 am


His choice .....it is as simple as that.


I am just looking forward to LA and SF splitting their next 6 head to head games!


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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:06 am

I won't work on Yom Kippur, largely because I promised my father I never would

Oh really? What if you had a heart attack on Yom Kippur and ALL THE DOCTORS were as observant as you? You would die. Hence, maybe you should be more flexible.


At least he is showing dedication to both the team and his religion,

How about dedication to those that pay his salary? Namely the fans. Shame on him for his poor customer service.
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:24 am

Oh really? What if you had a heart attack on Yom Kippur and ALL THE DOCTORS were as observant as you? You would die. Hence, maybe you should be more flexible.


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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:33 am

worshiping other faith

Really? So that would mean that if a non-Jewish patient of a patient doctor was admitted tonight, the doctor isn't obligated to go?
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:00 am

There is a growing issue of religious practice and it's conflicts with employment in the USA. Wal Mart, other business, as well as government agencies have had managers, other employees have conflicts of faith vs. work. Growing numbers of dedicated Christians do not want to work at all on Sunday or Jews working on Saturdays/Friday nights. In many ways, they are protected by civil rights laws, but still it may make you look uncooproative and affects your future employment or advancement.
The difficulty for Sean Green here is that his team, the Dodgers, are playing against their division rivals (SF Giants) for 1st place in their division or the 1st choice for the wild card spot in the playoffs. If they were playing a celler dweller, then probably he would have taken both the Friday Night and Saturday day game off.
His decision to at least take the Saturday off (a national FOX network TV game) shows a balance of his faith and the team needs. He has taken very few days offs as a player in the Majors, so for him to take a day off for a reasonable faith holyday is no problem for me, nor should it be for anyone else.
 
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:06 am

So we have some conflicting statements here (unless the 3rd one is observance of Yom Kippur)...

According to the Jewish religion saving life comes before any other religious matter, with 3 exceptions : worshiping other faith, incest, and I can't remember the third one.

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Yom Kippur is the holiest day of the year, for any Jew nothing is supposed to come before the observance of this holiday.

Is there a list of activities that are prohibited on certain holidays? Like, you can't work during Yom Kippur. You can work during Rosh Hashana but can't listen to rock music. And so forth...

I have no problem with him not playing because of religious reasons, but it would be nice if he was at least consistent with it.

Yyz, you've obviously never been to LA. I'm sure an overwhelming percentage of his salary comes from Jews.
 
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:10 am



We have people strapping bombs to their chests in the name of God and you are cracking back on a ballplayer over skipping a game in the middle of the playoff drive?

The Dodgers pay his salary and they have said they don't have a problem with his choice....

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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:23 am

Most of his customers (ie, fans) are Christians or least non-practising Jews, and hence Yom Kippur is a non-event for them.

What kind of nonsense is that? It's HIS religion, screw his "customers", and whether they care about Yom Kippur. It's his life, his faith, and it's no one else's business. Why is this even an issue?

The ignorance on this board is quite startling sometime.
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:39 am

This is pretty sick actually, very ignorant board as Falcon84 said.

It's his religion (and mine) and if he doesn't want to play a game on Yom Kippur, he won't, he shouldn't anyway.

To all of you saying they should dock his pay, well, I wish you the same when you have a holiday to worship for whatever religion you are.

Most of his customers (ie, fans) are Christians or least non-practising Jews, and hence Yom Kippur is a non-event for them.

Who gives a rats a** about what religion his "customers" are. Just because there's a Christian majority in this nation, doesn't give them, the majority, the right to interfere with someone of another religion's faith.
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RE: Sean Green And Yom Kippur, Your Thoughts?

Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:40 pm

Really? So that would mean that if a non-Jewish patient of a patient doctor was admitted tonight, the doctor isn't obligated to go?

No, the meaning is that if a religious Jew must convert in order to save HIS OWN life he must not do so.

YYZ717,

What you are basically saying is that one must be either an orthodox meticulously observing everything or he must be an atheist. That's quite an orthodox approach. Any one can feel freely to pick some elements of tradition for observation, and I don't mean Jews only. Yom Kippur has a special meaning even for the Jews who don't observe sh*t and eat pork with milk and bread on Passover  Smile.Yom Kippur also has some beautiful tradition that even I as an atheist enjoy. The whole country stops for 24 hours. Now that's a true "Day w/o cars"! Some tolerance would be nice dude. Not everything in this world is about money.


WellHung,

There's no conflict. Saving life is first priority (with the mentioned exceptions). The list of prohibited things to do is rather long, but it's origin is biblical and counts 35 different types of work. The common factor of all is the ban on "creating" stuff. I.e. you can move a piano but you can't turn on a light.
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