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2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:49 am

Well, it looks really retro! What do you all think of the new Pony Car?

Ford begins making '05 Mustang, which hits showrooms next month

Ford Motor Co. launched its all-new 2005 Mustang on Monday, the fifth generation of the iconic sports car the company sorely needs to help lift sluggish U.S. sales.

The new car, built at the AutoAlliance International plant in Flat Rock that Ford co-owns with Mazda Motor Corp., is scheduled to reach showrooms next month. The base price for a V6 version will be $19,410. The GT version with a V8 engine will start at $24,995.

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm488_20040927.htm

Link to pics:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/2005mustang/home.asp
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WellHung
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:56 am

Just another wannabe sports car representing the pinnacle of automobile ownership throughout middle America. Though I suppose it's not as horrendous as the last few models.
 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:59 am

MotorTrend just tested the new Mustang GT for the quarter mile:

13.8@98mph

LOL - welcome to LT1 territory new 2005 Mustang GT.  Laugh out loud

They still can't get 'em to take down the LS1 F-bodies.



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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:05 am

And a new Solid Rear Axle (live axle). What sophistication !

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:11 am

It's built on a Lincoln LS platform.....hardly 'all new'
Nice concept.....flawed execution.
But will sell extremely well....so purists can disagree....but capitalists cannot!
 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:11 am

WellHung

representing the pinnacle of automobile ownership throughout middle America.

This coming from a guy who owns a Chevy Avalanche.  Yeah sure

I live in New York City and I'd take this Mustang in a second if I had an extra $25K to spare.



I like new Mustang. Ford needs to drop in the 5.4 V8.

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:22 am

Fords are like Tampons, every Pussy has one.
nothing
 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:23 am

....and what do you have jutes85?
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:43 am

Sounds like Jutes85 has a phallic issue.............
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:45 am

Looks sweet! Power isnt bad but like Kevin said no match for an LS1  Big thumbs up

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:29 am

As an LS1 owner, I've gotta say the Mustang is just looking like a broken record...alot like Rsmith from the other threads Big grin You pay for alot, but don't get much horsepower in return. A stock V8 should be running MID 13's, if not lower. When the *proposed* 2007 Camaro comes out (hopefully with the C6 Corvette LS2 engine  Big thumbs up), it'll make these pussies go running to their mommies.

Anyone notice how nicer 4th generation Camaros are fewer on the street now that they've been out of production since 2002, but there's more aftermarket parts available, and generally more satisfaction among owners? I speak as one. Next time a Mustang owner sees me and feels lucky, I'll welcome his bet at the red light.

Jutes summed it all up really really nice.

DeltaGuy
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:29 am

And which one is still in production?

'Nuff said.
 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:46 am

Not a bad try.....but the original Mustang was a piece of work............but lets see them bring back the Baracuda!!!  Big thumbs up

I'd love a pair of these in my driveway!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/plymouth-cuda/images/plymouth-cuda-1a.jpg

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:15 pm

Camaro has been out of production because of shortsighted leaders at GM...but she shall be back, soon. Till then, the new C6 Corvette will have to hold the line, abiet at about $60K a pop.

The Stang is still in production because everyone has/wants one...sometimes sheer numbers dont equal sheer quality.

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:18 pm

And which one is still in production?

'Nuff said.


Yep, says that an out-of-production sports car can still out-perform the newest series of its main competitor.

You know, you're right, it does say a whole lot.

Also, pay attention when the year 2007 comes along.



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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:43 pm

Camaro has been out of production because of shortsighted leaders at GM

Sales during the last year of production were so poor, it was not a stupid move to axe the models. I would be hard pressed to see it reintroduced. Its a shame GM has no real competor in this market segment, figuring the GTO was mostly hot air on behalf of GM marketing.

 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:14 pm

Sales during the last year of production were so poor, it was not a stupid move to axe the models.

Yeah but remember, sales were low because of some idiots @ GM.

Think about it, by 2002, the Camaro being produced was basically the same Camaro produced in 1993, only with different looking headlights and an LS1 instead of an LT1. Soon, people got tired of it and wanted something really new, and GM kept their damn eyes shut to the problem for years, years, and more years until it was too late for the program. They could've saved it, but they waited. They've kept to their sense with the Corvette line, and kept it going, and hopefully they'll bring the Camaro back in 2007.

As a loyal GM fan, I'll admit GM's been making some very STUPID decisions lately........

A. Dropping the Camaro/Firebird line instead of redoing them to survive

B. Dropping the S10 truck line instead of redoing them. They've replaced the S10 with the stupid-looking Colorado.......where the most powerful engine available is an I5 -- which produces much less torque than it's predecessor.....the 4.3L V6, without even gaining much mileage or anything........ridiculous, they could've done a LOT better.

C. Changing the front end of the full-size trucks

I think a vast number of GM Divisions need to have their management team fired because of shit like this.



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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:19 pm

Ah yes, the same old slow Mustang. Deltaguy, you ever spend any time at the LS2 site? Or the poorly run LS1 site?
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:49 pm

This car is a beauty!
You can always count on the World's best automaufacture (Ford) to turn out a fine product.
The Thunderbird/LS platform is outstanding.
The only flaw with this car is that as Bruno mentioned above is that it should have the 5.4 engine (same block as 4.6).
It's a shame that it's only in the SUVs.

General Motors isn't even a car company. They are a huge beuracracy that occasionally turn out a fine automobile in small numbers with zero marketing.
The last time I ever saw any advertisment for any F-boby (Camero/Firebird Trans Am) was when Knight Rider first came on air (1982-1983).
The dip$h!ts running GM focused there efforts on Catera, Venture, Avalanche and Escalade.

You really have to wonder about a company that axes some the best cars ever made in favor of disposable cars.
Shame on GM for discontinuing the Trans Am, Camero, Fleetwood Brougham, Roadmaster, Caprice Classic and Impala SS.

Thank God for Ford Mercury Lincoln.
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:19 pm

Actually the Thunderbird/LS platfom is flawed. The Thunderbird is being retired (not retooled) next year due to slow sales. The LS came in 7th out of 7 in the Car and Driver performance challenge (check it out--in last years editions).

The Lincoln LS will move to the the Mazda 6 plaform for 2007.

The Mustang was put on the same platform to reduce tooling cost---not because it was a 'stellar' platform to build the car.

It was a design compromise from Day 1---too heavy, not enough power, an inherently a poor handle without heavily modified suspension,

But hey...it's cheap to manufacturer...and to sell. It will be a runaway success. And the above, aside, that's not such a bad thing!



 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:35 pm

Hey, 'Fly...how ya doin? Gotta agree w/ some of your GM observations, and, BTW, NWA742 is to all of his points 100% correct (I know, I was there). Even worse (regarding the last generation Camaro/Firebird), that wasn't even a 'new' car. We had to weld-up cracked floorpan tooling, add reinfs to the body-in-white, and do a lot of other carry-over patches to get that car on the road. The problem wasn't design or engineering staffs (you should see photos of some of the truely neat shit we had in the pipeline), but was the result of myopic bean-counters trying to 'save' the company a bundle of cash, and no upper management cajones. Problem is, they saved the model line(s) right out of the market. Remember, this is part of the team that let the country's oldest nameplate die after having the best selling car in the USA a few years earlier.

Ref the new Mustang, the more I see them on the streets here in Dearborn, the more I like them. I will stand by an earlier opinion, though: the car will sell like hotcakes the first model year, then slowly taper off (much like the PT Cruiser craze). It's a crime that all this money was put into the platform w/out an IRS, and I question the performance capabilities of the GT option, too. We'll have to wait and see. Regards...Jack
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:55 pm

I was somewhat surprised at the "look" of the car. Retro, yes, but why base the look on the 67-68 'Stang? I used to live in a house in college with several Mustang owners(Two 64 and a half coupe's and ragtop, '66 coupe and '67 coupe), and they subscribed to "Mustang Magazine" or something like that, and every interview about styling treated the 67 and 68 as "bastard step children"

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:24 pm

Tristarenvy: Good point. If J Mays wanted retro, he should have had the original sitting next to the surface plate for clay modeling, not the 67-8. Regards...Jack
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:53 pm

I actually agree with flight152 here just a bit about the GTO. GM can't give them away at this point....I went to the local Pontiac dealer knowing this problem and all they wanted to peddle were Grand Am GT's. I hear they still have a 60 day supply of GTO's left...something like 6,000+ cars. It's funny.....I drove by the same dealer this morning and they have the exact same GTO's and Grand Am's sitting on the lot. I'm waiting to see how desparate they will get to dump the goats...see what kind of deal I can get. If they're still willing only to deal s**t....I'll wait for the 2005 GTO's with the new LS2 motor.

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:14 am

Jack, it COULD have been worse, old J might have been a fan of the Mustang II.

Wonder what the living members of Henry The Duece's "Whiz Kid's" feel about Dearborn's cars.....
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:06 pm

Tristarenvy:
Hey watch it, I like he Mustang IIs, especially the Ghias.  Smokin cool



Cptkrell:
Hey man I am doing great.
GM should be punished for dropping the B body and F body platforms. If FordMoCo can aquire Buick (GM's only respected brand), they can just shut down GM entierly.


Greg:
Actually the Thunderbird/LS platfom is flawed. The Thunderbird is being retired (not retooled) next year due to slow sales.

Incorrect.
The ThunderbirdLS/Mustang platform is excellent. The problem is that Ford isn't putting enough advertising in to those vehicles.
GM is more successful in marketing there SUVs to street thugs and rappers with gold teeth, thus many young people who really can't afford them buy them anyway and GM is laughing there asses off to the bank.
Ford on the other hand is building classy distinctive quality automobiles that will be collectable automobiles in the future.
Escalades and H2s?
They'll be in the parts yard in about 8-10 years for the guys with 3500s and Suburbans to pick parts off.
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:49 pm

Speaking of revivals, Dodge is coming out with a 2006 Charger with a Hemi V-8.



http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=8518
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:20 pm

Whoops! Sorry 'Fly, I forget, sometimes!

That Charger rocks! What a looker. I dig the "classic" Darrin Dip line in the rear fender. When was the last time you saw THAT on a modern car.

Best watch thy asses Ford and GM, Mopar style is coming back. Somewhere I think Elwood Engle and Virgil Exner are smiling....
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:55 pm

I love how retro styling just says "Our designers ran out of good ideas, so we decided to steal an old one and screw it up."

I love that line about Fords and tampons, that is truly a classic.

Has anyone else noticed that while the rest of the sports car world in Japan and Germany is venturing into new territory with all wheel drive, variable valve timing, better suspensions, and more advanced transmissions Ford, GM and Chrysler are still building essentially the same sports car they were 40 years ago? They have a single overhead cam V8, 5 speed manual transmission, and a solid rear axle with probably a limited slip differential. So the body has changed some and the engine is now fuel injected and the whole car has been slowed down. What was good 40 years ago is outdated today.
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:21 pm

Guys,

There's one element out there that could make or break sales of the new Mustang... the economy.

Ford could aggressively advertise the new Mustang all it wants, but if the cost of gas skyrockets to $3/gallon, guess what? Affordable (under $30k) sporty cars like the Mustang will sit on the lot.

The main reasons for sluggish sales of the current Thunderbird, Excursion and Marauder were due to little or no advertising, and the fact that these models came out about 2 years later than they should have. A year before the Excursion came out, $1/gallon or less gas prices was not uncommon. One year later, the price shot up to about $1.50 to $1.60 a gallon. Talk about bad timing on Ford's part.

While many fine GM products have been given the axe due to lack of advertising, they're not alone. Ford is just as guilty in this area as well.

The 89-97 Thunderbird/Cougar was another example death by being ignored in terms of advertisements over at Dearborn. By the mid-90s, most people didn't know that an affordable rear-drive, mid-sized coupe still existed.

If it weren't for the belligerent and persistent police departments demanding a rear-drive V8, the Crown Vic would've been long gone by now due to lack of advertising. Although Mercury has done a fairly decent job in continuing to advertise its Grand Marquis.

In regards to the upcoming Dodge Charger: with Chevy possibly considering a V8-powered rear-drive successor to the Impala and Ford possibly re-doing the Crown Vic (but keeping it rear-drive) in either 2006 or 2007; things could get very interesting in the large sedan/police car market.
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:44 pm

$1/gal or less gas prices? Which decade was that?

Isn't the LS platform a little large for a Mustang?
 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:26 am

$1/gal or less gas prices? Which decade was that?

Try 1999, at least in the East Coast.

[Edited 2004-09-29 17:27:03]
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:27 am

Isn't the LS platform a little large for a Mustang?

The same platform can be shrunk or enlarged to fit a specific car.
 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:43 am

PHLBOS hit's the nail on the head w/the 89-97 'Bird remark. I remember all the car mag's bemoaning the demise of the rear drive "personal luxury" cars. Thru the 80's and 90's our (American) desire for cars, became a desire for SUV's and mini-vans. Chrysler's last rear drive midsize was Cordoba/Mirada, and they were dead by '83. GM put the "A" body coupes away by '88, and Ford allowed Cougar/Thunderbird to go on as long as Avis/Hertz and the like wanted to rent 'em to folks.

I read a interesting article in a British car magazine, where the author was talking about American cars. He made a point about the Crown Vic, that I really thought was amusing. He said something like "The Vic missed it's chance to be retro-cool, and Ford could have done a 50's or 60's type of car with it." Hmmmm. Why not build a modern '57 Fairlane? Or a modern '60 Starliner? Chrysler succeeded with the PT, by going '30s bread truck...Why not a full size family truckster that seats six, and looks cool?



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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:47 am

The front end looks a lot like the old Lancia rally cars

AND
 
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:39 am

"The front end looks a lot like the old Lancia rally cars"

I promise you the similarities end there... Unfortuante, I know.
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:42 am

'Fly...good to chat witcha. BTW, Wifey and I are in the imminent throes of final move down south. Contact me personally and I'll send you some vintage styling stuff that you might enjoy (otherwise, it's going into the trash in a week or so).

Tristarenvy; It's not 'ol J', it's 'young J'; maybe that could be an underlying equation. Anyway, the only person I've ever trusted with an initial without it personifying a name is Harry S Truman. Dearborn's current favorite letter, J, hasn't shown me Jack-shit yet, and my name's Jack.

Moving right along, MD90, I can remember a couple of classmates and I driving a 409/409 Impala from Nashville to LA with a 4.11 assgear and spending about $90.00 on gas and $110.00 on oil (pistons at approx 10-12-thou clearance). Gas was outrageous, approaching and sometimes exceeding the half-dollar mark for maximum octane. Oh...I forgot...that was 5 decades ago. All best to y'all. Regards...Jack ('Fly...send me a personal)
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:43 am

I could find a few Zagato owners who might DISagree w/that! But, oh, for a nice 80's HPE hatch.....
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:47 am

Chrysler's last rear drive midsize was Cordoba/Mirada

Tristarenvy,

In terms of coupes, you're right; but if one includes sedans, don't forget about the 1989 M-body Chrysler Fifth Avenue which originally began (for Chrysler) as the mid-size LeBaron in 1977. It was only 'elevated' to full-size only by default when the R-body New Yorker/Newports were dropped in 1982.

In that year, the M-body Chrysler inherited the New Yorker, then later became the New Yorker Fifth Avenue and finally was renamed the Fifth Avenue.

Even though it was Chrysler's largest sedan since 1982, most purists never considered it a full-size car; at least when compared to the Lincoln Town Cars and Cadillac Broughams.

P.S. before someone jumps at it, I am aware the the discussed platform originated first as the Dodge Aspen/Plymouth Volare in 1976.

Back to the 2005 Mustang:

I saw it at the Philly Auto Show last February, unfortunately there were no floor models to sit in. One mentioned feature that intrigued me was the ability to change the color of the dashboard lights; not sure whether that feature is standard or an option. I do like the 'retro 60s' instrument panel graphics.

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:19 am

PHLBOS, I wasn't counting the long lamented 'Dip and Gran Fury (which, BTW, DID have a two door from the '80 restyle thru, what '82?). I also forgot to include the Imperial in that count, for Mopar coupes.

And also back to topic: This new 'Stang is devoid of any "FOX' platform connections, correct? I had forgotten if the current ('94-'04) was STILL sharing some parts with Fairmont/2nd generation Granada/baby LTD of the 80's. And you gotta hand it to whomever was the manager of that platform, they did a heck of a job with what FORD was giving them, back in the day. Considering the money trouble Dearborn had, the FOX platform did it's job well.
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:00 am

More car talk!  Big thumbs up

Cptkrell:
Send those photos my way!  Smokin cool


Tristarenvy:
Rememeber the Thunderbird ad with Murphy Brown? (circa 1990)


My favorite of this era was the 1992-1993 Mercury Cougar XR-7 with full electronic instrument panel and 5.0 V8.
Those were amazing modern muscle/luxury coupes.
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tristarenvy
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:09 am

'Fly my friend I hadn't seen it. I will go dig around in my collection of car stuff. I had stopped pulling ads about the time I met my future wife, and we ran out of space for my car stuff.

And speaking of.... your friend who collects will dig THIS brochure I have for the Chevy Baretta...wait for it...CONVERTIBLE! It's listed in the 1990 Full Chevrolet Line catalogue for a "Spring 1990 release". But it never happened, and Olds got the midsize drop top Cutlass...

The 88-97 'Bird/Cougar were nice, but I dig the 86-88's. A nice redress of the '83. The '87 Turbo T-bird gets my vote!

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PHLBOS
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:25 am

I wasn't counting the long lamented 'Dip and Gran Fury (which, BTW, DID have a two door from the '80 restyle thru, what '82?). I also forgot to include the Imperial in that count, for Mopar coupes.

Tristarenvy,

From 1977 to 1981, the Dodge Diplomat and Chrysler LeBaron not only were offered as coupes but had station wagons as well. The LeBaron wagon wore the Town & Country badges. The Canadian-only 77-81 Plymouth Caravelle may have offered coupes and wagons as well as sedans.

Another M-body tid-bit. The wheelbase of the Diplomat/LeBaron coupes differed over its 5 year run. The 77-79 coupes had the same 112.7 inch wheelbase as the sedans and wagons; the 80-81 coupes had the same 108.7 inch wheelbase as the Aspen/Volare 2-doors.

The 80-83 Cordoba/Mirada and the 81-83 Imperial (also based off the M-body platform) had the 112.7 wheelbase but were at least 9 inches longer in overall length than the rest of its bretheren.

Back to the Mustang... or at least Ford:

As far as I know, the 2005 is not the same Fox platform that has served the Mustang since 1979 (I believe the 94-04 models did indeed utilized the same Fox platform as well). That means that the Panther platform (Crown Vic/P.I./Grand Marquis/Town Car) will now be Ford's longest running platform. According to a recent Motor Trend article regarding the 2005 models; it mentions that the Ford/Mercury/Lincoln full-sizes are slated to be redone but still utilize the Panther platform in 2006. Maybe the upcoming restyle will involve some retro cues.

Edited to relocate paragraph.


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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:35 am

I love the totally over the top wood on the T&C of that generation. There is one still amongst the living, here, in Tampa, and I see it frequently. I suggested to a fellow from Chrysler at a car show in 1980, that they ought to do a sedan and coupe trimmed in wood, too. Wonder if that seed I planted became the Mark Cross LeBaron of a few years later! Aw, probably not....

Back to FoMoCo... This Mustang looks to be a winner, at least until GM comes up with a response..
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:42 am

The Mustang will sell because it offers people what they want at a price they can afford. The new body style has already created alot of buzz and will help the image. 300bhp won't hurt a bit, either.

There will always be Chevy guys who will talk smack about the Camaro with the Vette engine, the problem was that car cost $35K and the target market could not afford it, or had to buy a mini-van or SUV. Keeping high performance along with a low price (below $30k) is what made the new Z a success and what will help the Mustang GT.

GM has really screwed the pooch with the GTO simply because it has the typical GM "designed by committee" look. THey took a great car, the Holden Monaro, and made it look as vanilla as possible and had the gall to hang one of GM's proudest names on it. Everyone can recognize a real Goat, you can even tell the years it was made by the bodystyle and headlamps. This thing looks like a beefed up 95 Cavalier. Same idiotic design and marketing mistake as they made with the Aztek. Great idea that they could not execute because they made a car that looked like a '89 Pontiac (Korean built) LeMans.
I thought Uncle Bob was bringing some balls to GM. Maybe they just will only let him go so far.

Dodge is making a statement with their newest cars. They have always made pretty cars over the last 10 or 15 years, the problem is that they are still Chryslers. Maybe they got it right with the Hemis.

Until then, you can always buy a Mustang GT and know what you are getting. A big, heavy point and squirt car that has all the torque, and needs new brake pads every 15K miles.
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:14 am

I hope Mr. Lutz hasn't been "reigned in" by GM. I remember when he landed there, and made his mark, pretty quick by demanding all Pontiac vehicles loose that stupid Gotham City cladding. He even said once he liked the Aztek in a "way you like an ugly dog". Which, it was, and as I own one, I can say that w/a straight face. The '02s got prettier(if you can say that about the beast) when the grey cladding and "speed lines" were discarded. ( I have an '01, bright yellow, and covered w/grey cladding) Pontiac has gotten better looking cars, but the GTO is, alas, TOO generic. Some will claim that it's meant for folks who know what it is and don't need to show off, ala Trans Am style, and it's just fine being bland. Lutz's Pontiac Solstice will be the answer to Mustang for the time being. GM Of Europe will probably supply a nice RWD platform for a ponycar, if the market still exists. Personally, a "hot hatch" would make more sense, in my opinion

I wonder if GM will stretch the Cobalt and go RWD to be an answer to Mustang.


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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:58 am

Tristarenvy:
I'll mention that next time I see him.
Now about that turbo Thunderbird, you are aware that it's a 2.3 Pinto engine, right?
Would you really take that over a 5.0 V8 302cu"?
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GTO

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:38 pm

The new GTO looks like crap! Ya it performs well but like another user said, it looks like a hopped up Cavalier. GM needs to redesign the body to make it look more muscular and less Pontiac-like. Put a spoiler on it, ram-air hood ect.

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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:26 pm

'Fly, be sure to toss in that over used popular phrase, "Bob, YOU da MAN!!!" And tell him his book "GUTS" was one of the best reads, ever. Every manager in American business needs to sit down and read that book.
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RE: 2005 Mustang

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:35 pm

Put a spoiler on it, ram-air hood ect.

It actually comes standard with a spoiler and now one of those usless, but optional ram-air hoods. Though, I really don't think this helps its looks at all...

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