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The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:40 pm

So, was the ship that sank really the Titanic?

It is the the most infamous disaster story in shipping history.

The "unsinkable" Southampton liner Titanic went down in the freezing waters
of the Atlantic Ocean with the loss of more than 1,500 lives on April 15, 1912.

Or Did She?

Theroists say that the titanic was swapped with her crumbling sister the Olympic. As the Olympic had been involved in an accident with no insurance payout because it was her fault. They say that the White Star Lines swapped the ships identity, News reels can confirm that two different ships were once publicised as the titanic. Which one was sent to its death in the atlantic?

There is alot of support to this story, if you search on the web you will find it...

Really interesting to read and think about.

Do you belive in this new story?
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:51 pm

Interesting, if a bit "tin foil hat" - do you have any sources for this ? I'd like to read them. If true, it would be an amazing story ! Thing is though, how would you keep it secret from the 1000-odd crewmembers who used to work on the old Titanic, who have to pack up and move to the new Titanic (formerly Olympic) or at least get new hats that say "Olympic" on them. You can be pretty sure that at the very least, the poor mug who had to paint over the name of the Olympic with "Titanic" would have mentioned the fact down the pub after the damn thing sank  Smile
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:54 pm

I saw it on that Conspiracies programme on Sky One the other week, a very interesting theory!

I think I do believe the accusations to be honest...I mean White Star Line must have been pretty angered with no insurance pay out from the collision the Olympic had a year before the Titanic set sail from Southampton, so I can see them changing it around and sinking it to get the pay out.

I've always thought the circumstances that night in 1912 were always a little convenient. For example a clear sky, no moon, black ice, the Titanic at full throtte and heading straight towards an ice burg field even though they'd had several warnings...and also the s.o.s. message not being sent until something like 30 minutes after the collision with the ice burg! Seems all a bit fishy to me...maybe this might spark more interest in raising the Titanic and more money will be put into a project to do so, maybe we might find out the truth then!

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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:57 pm

It's an old theory, and one that has been pretty thoroughly discredited. Olympic was far from 'crumbling' in 1912; in fact she was still new, and very, very similar to her sister. The accident with the warship was during trials and resulted in a hull plate being punctured, but this was repaired very quickly.

Crucially, the sisters were not identical. Olympic's promenade deck did not have any cladding along the side it's whole length. The ship on the seabed off Nova Scotia does.
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:41 pm

And of the pieces brought back from the seabed, everything is marked with Titanic's build number, not Olympic's. If the ships had been swapped you would expect to see the opposite.

As Sulman says, the theory has been thoroughly discredited.
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:51 pm

...apart from the fact that committing insurance fraud by murdering a large number of your best customers and in the process basically destroying your own company doesn´t look like a really appealing idea...  Insane
 
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:02 pm

Hmm.... a very interesting conspiracy here..... and everything seems a bit fishy, but anyway, it could be that someone is just trying to gain popularity by conspiring to this accident... Mind you I do agree with Sulman and Banco's facts.
 
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:05 pm

To be fair to the conspiracy theorists Klaus (and it isn't something I do very often!  Big grin ) I don't think they are suggesting that the sinking was deliberate the way it turned out. They believe that the intention was to get everyone off the ship faking a crisis and then scuttle it. Allegedly a rescue ship was "nearby" where the Titanic was supposed to be to carry out an orderly evacuation. The ship wasn't meant to hit an iceberg at full speed (no kidding).

Ultimately, the theory founders (pun intended) on too many facts. The artifacts of the wreck being unquestionably Titanic, not Olympic, the requirement for thousands of dockyard workers needing to be in on the scam and then keeping their traps shut etc etc.
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Banco

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:23 pm

Banco: They believe that the intention was to get everyone off the ship faking a crisis and then scuttle it. Allegedly a rescue ship was "nearby" where the Titanic was supposed to be to carry out an orderly evacuation. The ship wasn't meant to hit an iceberg at full speed (no kidding).

They would certainly not have left Titanic with far too few boats if that would have been the plan. It´s not even plausible! Other conspiracies at least have thatBig grin
 
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:27 pm

Actually Klaus, in the convoluted logic that characterises these kind of things, the lack of lifeboats is regarded as part of the evidence for the conspiracy.  Insane Big grin

In other words, since a ship will be taking people off there's no need for a full complement of lifeboats because they can go to and from the rescue ship etc.

I know, I know! Don't have a go at me about it, I'm on your side!  Insane  Big grin
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Banco

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:30 pm

So let´s share a healthy laugh about it...!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:32 pm

Oh come ON you guys, don't you know? A Wright Flyer with a missile launcher attached to it sank the Titanic

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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:37 pm

This is up there with the legend that Titanic Pax viewed a Silent version of the Poseiden Adventure the night the ship sank!

A much lesser known -- but no less remarkable coincidence -- is that at the very moment the Titanic struck an iceberg in the north Atlantic late in the evening of 14 April 1912, the film The Poseidon Adventure -- a movie about the desperate efforts of a group of passengers to survive the sinking of an ocean liner -- was being screened aboard ship.

The film industry was still in its adolescence in 1912, but it was already taking rapid strides towards maturity. The short flip card films viewed on customer-cranked Kinetoscopes and Mutoscopes in nickelodeons had given way to more elaborate films that were projected onto screens for audiences in movie theaters. These films were short (generally no more than one reel in length), and of course they were both silent and black-and-white, but they had already captured the imagination of a population eager for new forms of entertainment. The White Star line, proudly dedicated to sparing no expense in ensuring that its new flagship Titanic provided every luxury their passengers could desire, did not overlook this still relatively novel one: the Titanic carried its own projector and a complement of movies rented from the British office of a U.S. film distributor.




http://www.snopes.com/lost/poseidon.htm
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:12 am

Case closed, 'Clipper.  Big grin
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:22 am

I read that the Poseidon Adventure was showing on the Titanic.

I just did not know Ernest Borgnine was that old.
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:26 am

Not forgetting that Gene Hackman somehow survived, gave up the cloth and became a submarine captain - presumably so he could search for the Titanic. Hmm, the conspiracy theorists may have had a point...  Big grin
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:34 am

Still, toys with your mind over the truth...
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:13 am

Aside from a total lack of positive evidence, there are many problems with this theory, some of which have been noted:

- Photographs from the wreck show that the propellers bear Titanic's Harland & Wolff hull number (401), not Olympic's (400).

- Olympic and Titanic had subtle but significant structural differences. These included the enclosure of the A-Deck forward promenade, the Cafe Parisian on B-Deck for first class passengers, and the replacement of B-Deck's public promenade with cabins and two suites featuring private promenades. These changes (especially the last) were involved major structural redesigns, and it would have been very expensive to retrofit Olympic with them (and possibly remove them on Titanic, depending on when the scheme was launched).

- After the Titanic disaster, Olympic's double bottom was extended up to the waterline, requiring a lengthy and very costly dry-docking, and more importantly, major structural work in the very areas damaged by the Hawke. There seems little reason to swap ships and sink the Olympic when such substantial modifications followed the accident. Even an intentional (non-iceberg) sinking must have involved hull damage, and given the Olympic class' "unsinkable" reputation, White Star must have known that substantial refitting work would be required after the loss of one.


White Star did propose that the rescue ship Carpathia, which was en route to the Mediterranean and not provisioned for hundreds of extra passengers, rendezvous with the Olympic in mid-ocean and transfer the Titanic survivors to her. Needless to say, the survivors were not enthusiastic about boarding Titanic's nearly identical twin, so the Carpathia returned to New York.

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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:23 am

...and Shelley Winters still looked like an 80 year old cow in 1912.

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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fra

Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:53 am

The 1972 Poseidon Adventure was a remake of the 1911 film... if you bother to read what is at Dtwclipper's link.
 
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:57 am

Everything in this section is a spoof.... passengers on the Titanic viewing a 1912 silent version of The Poseidon Adventure while their doomed ship was sinking out from under them

http://www.snopes.com/lost/false.htm


Even the link to the IMDB is bogus.

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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:45 am

I've heard that too, but I think it's more of an urban legend.


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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:14 pm

Impossible... The OLYMPIC was sold for scrap in the late 1930s. This whole post...
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:08 pm

And let's not forget Morgan Robertson's book "Futility" published in 1898 about the sinking of the Titan when the "unsinkable" ship hit an iceberg on its maiden voyage with huge loss of life because there were insufficient lifeboats.

Must be a conspiracy eh?  Big grin
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:10 am

Banco.. I did come across a copy of that book a couple years back and had the chance to read it. It was my great-grandmother's copy. That was one scary book.
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fraud

Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:59 pm

Why would a company want to murder hundreds of its customers and staff just to get money?
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RE: The Sinking Of The Titanic Was An Insurace Fra

Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:31 pm

the Titanic carried its own projector and a complement of movies rented from the British office of a U.S. film distributor.

White Star Lines was only technically ruined by the sinking. They lasted until 1936, but it was the late fees on those movie rentals that did them in.
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