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Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:09 am

Plume estimated by KOIN 6 helicopter reporter at 12000 ft so far. Going to go see if I can see it... any NOTAMS yet?
 
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:11 am

It's on cnn now! wow
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:13 am

Got it on Fox News!

If you have an opinion on a topic, you should in detail express why you have the opinion and what made you come to that conclusion.

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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:20 am

Got a pilot report that says the ash cloud is oriented SSW towards PDX...
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:24 am

Hey

i am watching fox news right now and it said that people going from LAX-SEA or SFO-SEA or vice versa will have a great view of this!! This is so exciting!!
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:28 am

ATCSCC ADVZY 044 DCC 10/01/04 VOLCANIC ACTIVITY BULLETIN
FVXX20 KWBC 011916 WSI DDS:011918
VOLCANIC ASH ADVISORY
ISSUED: 2004OCT01/1916Z VAAC: WASHINGTON
VOLCANO: ST. HELENS 1201-05
LOCATION: N4612W12211 AREA: US-WASHINGTON
SUMMIT ELEVATION: 8363 FT /2549 M/
ADVISORY NUMBER: 2004/003
INFORMATION SOURCE: NOT AVBL
ERUPTION DETAILS: NOT AVBL
OBS ASH DATE/TIME: /Z
OBS ASH CLOUD: NOT AVBL
FCST ASH CLOUD 6H: NOT AVBL
FCST ASH CLOUD 12H: NOT AVBL
FCST ASH CLOUD 18H: NOT AVBL
REMARKS: WE HAVE RECEIVED INFORMATION SUGGESTING A
POSSIBLE ASH EMISSION. WE WILL GATHER FURTHER
INFORMATION ANDISSUE A FULL ADVISORY AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE.
THIS PRODUCTS HEADER WILL CHANGE FROM KWBC TO KNES
EFFECTIVE OCT 28, 2004.
NEXT ADVISORY: AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
011920-012300
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:31 am

Hey

it is menchonig the FAA and saying that the clouds went up 16,00 feet.
They are now being told to divert around Mt.St Helens. They are tlkn about canceling flights.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:31 am

It was interesting -- A guy had just finished reporting his report on KIRO Seattle and he's like "No! Wait a minute come back to me" -- and bang, there it was. Live. neato!
 
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:32 am

Aa777jr--

Because the biggest risk is to airliners at altitude, not poeple on the ground.

Sounds appropriate to me.
 
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:35 am

>>>why is this post on Airliners.net?

Because aircraft use the same sky that the ash is billowing, and ash can affect aircraft ops...


>>>They are now being told to divert around Mt.St Helens.

I'm sure they're -deviating- around it; diversions are another matter entirely...


>>>They are tlkn about canceling flights.

As someone who cancels flights, who exactly is "they" ???

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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:36 am

Live coverage on http://www.kgw.com

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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:36 am

Ash can shut down airline engines.
 
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:37 am

Hey

i belive they where talking about the FAA  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:37 am

Ash chokes out the oxygen. It also has a habit of melting components.

Looks like it's starting up again.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:45 am

Airline United
Flight Number 964
Departure City (Airport) San Francisco, CA (SFO)
Departure Time 10/01/2004 11:13 AM
Arrival City (Airport) Seattle, WA (SEA)
Arrival Time 10/01/2004 12:42 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 757-200
Current Altitude 7,900 feet
Current Groundspeed 308 mph
Flight Status In Flight
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:45 am

>>>i belive they where talking about the FAA

The airlines cancel flights. If the ash becomes such that flights can't be safely operated into PDX, SEA, or wherever, the airlines will start cancelling.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:48 am

I don't know about you guys, but right now I wanna be on United 964. Right now it should just be passing St. Helens.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:08 am

OK, here's the latest...

About 10 minute's worth of eruption earlier, mostly steam, some ash, tops 12,000-16,000... (This is nowhere near as severe as the effects of the 1980 eruption..) SEA ARTCC is routing traffic around it.

ATCSCC ADVZY 047 DCC 10/01/04 VOLCANIC ACTIVITY BULLETIN
FVXX20 KWBC 011939 WSI UKS:011944
VOLCANIC ASH ADVISORY
ISSUED: 2004OCT01/1938Z VAAC: WASHINGTON
VOLCANO: ST. HELENS 1201-05
LOCATION: N4612W12211 AREA: US-WASHINGTON
SUMMIT ELEVATION: 8363 FT /2549 M/
ADVISORY NUMBER: 2004/004
INFORMATION SOURCE: GFS MODEL WINDS. GOES-10.
USGS.
ERUPTION DETAILS: ASH EMISSION AROUND 19Z
OBS ASH DATE/TIME: 01/1930Z
OBS ASH CLOUD: ASH NOT IDENTIFIABLE FROM SATELLITE
DATA. WINDS SFC/FL160 MOVING TO S 10-20 KNOTS.
FCST ASH CLOUD 6H: NOT AVBL
FCST ASH CLOUD 12H: NOT AVBL
FCST ASH CLOUD 18H: NOT AVBL
REMARKS: A VERY SMALL AREA OF ASH JUST SOUTH OF
THE VOLCANO COULD BE SEEN AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN GOES IMAGERY AT 1915Z
BUT WAS TOO FAINT TO SEE BY 1930Z. PLUME IS
MOSTLY STEAM BUT WITH SOME ASH. THE ACTIVE
EMISSION LASTED ABOUT 10 MINUTES AND IS NOW
BELIEVED TO BE OVER BUT A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF ASH
REMAINS AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN THE ATMOSPHERE. ASH TOPS ARE ESTIMATED
TO BE BETWEEN FL120 AND FL160. ...
THIS PRODUCTS HEADER WILL CHANGE FROM KWBC TO KNES
EFFECTIVE OCT 28, 2004.
NEXT ADVISORY: WILL BE ISSUED BY 2004OCT02/0145Z
011949-020144

[Edited 2004-10-01 22:11:08]
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:28 am

Alaska has apparently delayed and/or cancelled a handful of arrivals/departures at PDX until 2pm just in case... Looking at PDX's website, there aren't many other delays, etc.
 
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:42 am

Latest report is that ash cloud went up 10,000 feet. It was a very small eruption. But man I wish I was at the Johnson Ridge Observatory today, or on the CO flight to Houston at noon! Last time I took that flight we went right over Mount Rainier and MSH.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:16 am

Update:

http://www.kgw.com/travel/stories/kgw_100104_travel_helens_airport.2bb4723b.html
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:54 am

Ash chokes out the oxygen. It also has a habit of melting components.

Umm...no....

The biggest threat to aviation is the ash, yes. Two reasons: It's HIGHLY abrasive (imagine being sandblasted at 500mph) and it has a tendency to coat the hot sections of jet engines. Melting ash forms glass...not something you want in your engines, that's for darn sure. Multiple engine failures have been caused over the years due to this.

Little tiny bits of rock damage the leading edges of the aircraft (especially things like windows).
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:25 am

Just checking my flights from SLC to PDX and SEA, currently not showing any delays or cancellations for DL or OO.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:31 am

It's pretty much dissipated now...
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:02 am

Whoever would've thought Mt. St. Helens would erupt so soon again? And it had been a thousand years in between its eruption prior to 1980 and its 1980 eruption? THat is incredible it could erupt just 24 years later!
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:24 am

Whoever would've thought Mt. St. Helens would erupt so soon again? And it had been a thousand years in between its eruption prior to 1980 and its 1980 eruption? THat is incredible it could erupt just 24 years later!

Geologically speaking timewise, this is probably the same eruption on the grand scale of things.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:29 am

Whoever would've thought Mt. St. Helens would erupt so soon again? And it had been a thousand years in between its eruption prior to 1980 and its 1980 eruption? THat is incredible it could erupt just 24 years later!

Some correction is needed...

Prior to 1980, MSH was dormant for 123 years after it erupted in 1857. And even before that, it was quite active during the first half of the 19th Century.

What's incredible is that MSH's had had some eruptions even bigger than the one in 1980, particularly in 1800 and 1482. In 1900 BC, MSH had an eruption which was over 3 times larger than the 1980 eruption.
 
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:30 am

What is St. Helens going to do? Half the mountain is blasted away!


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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:51 am

It's not what's IN the mountain, it's what's BELOW the mountain.

Actually I think today wasn't really an eruption, just one massive volcanic Fart.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:03 pm

^^ That's right - what's below the mountain counts, not in the mountain.

A volcano's magma chamber typically lies several miles underground.

It also seems that there will be more small to moderate explosions down the road. Hopefully, there'll be another dome-building episode. But it's much too early to tell.

Mt. St. Helens's probably gone through cycles of destroying then rebuilding itself in the past. For instance, the eruption in 1900 BC was not only a good deal larger than the 1980 one, it probably took out a good chunk of the volcano and later rebuilt itself.

The pre-1980 summit cone was only 2500 years old before it was destroyed in the 1980 eruption. And MSH will no doubt rebuild itself over the next few thousand years. MSH is a young volcano compared to the other major Cascade volcanoes like Rainier and Hood. It's only 50,000 years old - much younger than Mt. Rainier, which is just under 800,000 years old.
 
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:35 pm

You know strictly speaking as somebody who has been ashed by volcanos several times, Mts. Spurr, Redoubt, Augustine, Shishaldin, Pavlof. And have been withint 1 mile in an aircraft of an erupting volcano Pavlof and lived within 37 miles of an erupting Pavlof for an entire year and half, Flown over a few others, Okmok and Sikin.

I am hesistant to actually call what St Helens did today and actual eruption, More like a fart.
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RE: Mt St Helens Erupting!

Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:57 am

L-188, that's about right. I was there when it blew its top in 1980, and believe me the noise was INCREDIBLE!!! It was SO intense!!

We'll have to see what happens now, after the 24 minute "venting" of yesterday. I just read on CNN that they have ordered an evacuation of the near areas around MSH, as they are expecting possibly a much larger eruption shortly, but still nothing like 1980. (It's now Saturday afternoon 5:56pm as I'm writing this.)

Watch, wait, we'll see...

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Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:09 am

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