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Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:45 am

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?...


And now for the video...
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html

As you can see in the video he clearly takes an item from the inner pocket of his coat and places it on the podium, later to unfold it. Some have claimed it was just a pen (even that would've been in breach of the rules of the debate!), but in my view it clearly looks like some kind of paper. Any one who has ever had to debate someone else knows that having your talking points right in front of you would be an obvious advantage. I don't know, but this is pretty shameful and dishonest conduct for a presidential candidate to have engaged in if it is found that he brought notes to the debate with him.
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:58 am

Some have claimed it was just a pen (even that would've been in breach of the rules of the debate!),

If you would have been watching C-Span you would have seen that both candidates had pens out and were writing vigourously when they were not speaking.

Any one who has ever had to debate someone else knows that having your talking points right in front of you would be an obvious advantage.

See above statement.

I don't know, but this is pretty shameful and dishonest conduct for a presidential candidate

So then BOTH candidates must be shameful and dishonest?
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:59 am

Alright. Now - who really cares?
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:01 am

Oh, give me a break!  Insane

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:02 am

DEBATE MYSTERY: Does George Bush have a frikkin' clue about anything?

The evidence we saw Thursday would suggest not....

[Edited 2004-10-03 22:05:33]
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:03 am

Ah, the drudge report. How's Kerry's affair with that intern going?
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:04 am

If you would have been watching C-Span you would have seen that both candidates had pens out and were writing vigourously when they were not speaking.

Why don't you try reading next time?

What about this is so hard to understand?

"Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:15 am

You know, if you actually keep your eyes open while watching the video, you'll realize that Kerry did not have his back to the audience but was turning - and he's in full view of the audience and the moderator while he's got his hand in his inside pocket and while he's taking it out... they'd have had to be completely blind not to see it - and even President Bush is practically looking in that direction...

Strange that the administration doesn't seem to be intent on making more out of this - so, I'd say, the general consensus is:

Nobody cares!



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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:19 am

Jcs17:

I can tell you´ve been watching Fox News!  Insane

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:23 am

Thought I'd see this topic on here...certainly looks like he is taking something out of his pocket...and his back IS to the audience as he pulls it out, happens to be mid-turn...and he certainly appears to be opening something up as he places whatever "it" is on the podium.

Interesting too that the Kerry staffer doesn't address the fact that he took something out of his pocket.

Funny stuff.

Oh..and Sol what does Fox News have to do with any of this?
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:24 am

"Nobody cares" when someone brings up a conspiracy theory involving Kerry, but everybody jumps on the bandwagon when someone brings one up about Bush...


Please folks, save it. You all are so biased that its sickening.
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:28 am

Who was cheating about mass destruction weapons in Iraq???
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:31 am

"Who was cheating about mass destruction weapons in Iraq???"

Nice diversion...but since it was asked the answer would be possibly every intelligence agency in the world.
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:35 am

I've got a crazy theory about this...Hear me out...

Kerry actually won on his own merits.

If Kerry wins the election, get ready for 4 years of crap like this from the right, just like they did with Clinton.

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:42 am

NRK...not that I am buying into any of this...but why not speak to him doing something that "appears" to be against the rules.

Lets say hypothetically he did take a piece of paper full of "facts and figures" in with him, and referred to it during the debate...would you have a problem with that?
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:47 am

N312RC, I could have agreed with you if you hadn't posted that picture of the "Obsession" package in the "More Lies from Bush" (or whatever the title was) thread... but that somewhat removed you from the list of the unbiased...

Jamesag96, look again - he's got his back to most of the audience when he puts his hand into his jacket, but from that point on, he starts turning - at the point where he starts pulling out his hand, he's already clearly in the view of about half the audience...

And now I'll repeat the last line of my post from that "Lies from Bush" thread:

Give it a rest - both sides!

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:52 am

So then BOTH candidates must be shameful and dishonest?

Yeah, got it! tHis is the most sensible statement I have read for a long time here, really! Big grin

Too bad the election issue is marginalized on the issue whether or not it is good to have a pen..

People - the discussion culture here is on a great decline and shows how the civil society is decreasing... tomorrow you will discuss that you will vote for candidate A because he prefers the diary product of a post-modern milkfarm in Arkansas instead of Nebraska... man.............  Sad
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:53 am

Well you and I may look at the same video and see different things...we both agree that he put his hand in his pocket and pulled something out and appears to open "it" up...which would be against the rules.

Eh...maybe he just got cold and is using a handwarmer.
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:05 am

Jamesag96, it has nothing to do with foxnews. Solanbo just sometimes forgets to take his anger pills and tends to take out that anger on the Republicans on here  Laugh out loud
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:12 am


What a shocking revelation here.

Lets forget about Iraq and switch to full coverage of this

scandalous John Kerry Cheating

 Big grin
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:15 am

Solanbo just sometimes forgets to take his anger pills and tends to take out that anger on the Republicans on here

What an in-depth analysis...  Wow! Dude, your arguments are so strong that we shall rest in peace and tranquility now..
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:16 am





For the next debate I suggest that the Debate Committee check the insides of Bushes ears for a reciver.........it seems as though Bush was on seven second delay Thursday and was providing filler with the words ....uh uhhuh..mmmm.....work.....will work....working......


Drudge is noting more than a right wing repug spinster......the video is a fake and recived by the website by a computer located at a KInkos.
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:18 am

Did they force you to believe this as part of the 'straight party' voting system?
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:19 am

Maybe Bush was on cocaine again...
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:20 am

Have you ever thought of applying with the CIA!
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:23 am

Looking at this video, you really can't even tell whatever it is that Kerry took out of his jacket pocket. This is just an attempt by a conservative-leaning pro-Bush group to try to deflect attention away from the fact that Bush got schooled worse than a novice forensics competitor in their first debate. Drudge's reputation is not what it used to be because he's swung and missed on quite a few "reports" since he exposed "Monicagate".
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:25 am

So, will Kerry's mystery paper be soon declared a part of the Axis of Evil? Will the paper be bombed to pieces or just invaded, or both?  Big grin

How shameful people discuss a pissing piece of mystery paper while in Iraq dozens of innocent people die every day and every day...that's people should THINK ABOUT and DISCUSS.


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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:07 am

Just to show a certain someone Im unbiased,

Here you go...  Smile

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:30 am

If Kerry cheated, then shame on him, but it won't stop me from voting for him. But in a debate where Bush basically beat himself, what does it really matter?
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:40 am

Here's my theory: Kerry removed a specially-designed pen from his coat that emits a jet of STUPID GAS to distances up to twenty feet, rendering his debating opponent unable form rational thought or complete sentences.

That bastard Kerry!

I'm going to vote for him!
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:44 am

Anybody stop to think it might have been a HANDKERCHIEF?
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:51 am

Here's my theory: Kerry removed a specially-designed pen from his coat that emits a jet of STUPID GAS to distances up to twenty feet, rendering his debating opponent unable form rational thought or complete sentences.

If it is indeed as MBMBOS suggests, then there's gotta be more of these pens around Bush. In action more often than not. 24/7 some might say.
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:55 am

No, the pen was the WMD Bush was looking for in Iraq.. Kerry was hiding them in order to prevent Bush from a success.. that bastard..

Who cares, I will vote for him
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:01 am



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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:34 am

Wow...this thread turned out to be pretty funny.
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:27 pm

I'll bet if Kerry gets elected this will be the first hearing the republicans have against him ....
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:22 pm

Well, They had to cheat on something or they wouldn't be politicians...
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:19 pm

And the big republican crying is beginning.

Just because Kerry has a brain and can speak to an audience doesn't mean he cheated. It just means the USA have the wrong president at the moment.
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:50 pm

I'm shocked, blatant cheating in a rigged debate, whatever next ?

Check the video, you'll notice Mr. Bush unfolds something as well.

Using illustrator 11.0 I was able to see what was written there .... POLAND, POLAND, POLAND (don't fuck up), POLAND (look intelligent), POLAND (don't sniff endlessly), POLAND .....
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:30 pm

Jcs17: Very very unlikely Kerry was cheating. You think that if in the very unlikely next-to-impossible scenario he did cheat that nobody would notice it? Not the officials responsible for holding & monitoring the debate? You're just fooling yourself. Then again that is not surprising considering you not objective at all in discussions of US politics.
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:43 pm

Kerry wins, and decisively, in the first debate. But instead of owning up to it, the right has to bring out garbage like this. And guys like Jcs17 and James86 either believe it, or give creedence to it.

How pathetic.

What will they say next time Kerry wins the next debate? That he had an earpiece surgically implanted to get answers from his handlers?  Laugh out loud
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:46 pm

Kerry should go onto Bush's Axis of Evil  Smile

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:07 pm

Next thing the Republicans will say is that Kerry got the questions in advance...

Ooops, forgot; they already have said that, haven't they???
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:24 pm

Maybe the Republicans soon accuse Kerry of time travelling? How else would it be possible - without a mystery paper - to deal with the speaking puppet from Texas?  Wink/being sarcastic


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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:28 pm

Alpha...you'll notice I said it looks like he is removing something from his pocket, and it appears as if he is opening whatever "it" is as he turns to face the audience...that shouldn't be a point of contention as it is plainly in the video..

Apparently as you get older and forget your own identity you are also finding it more difficult to read..pathetic indeed..

Like I said here:
"NRK...not that I am buying into any of this...but why not speak to him doing something that "appears" to be against the rules.

Lets say hypothetically he did take a piece of paper full of "facts and figures" in with him, and referred to it during the debate...would you have a problem with that?"

Your answer to that would be what?

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:31 pm

Just picked this up at the ever so liberal NY Post:

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm

SNIP
Many blogs offered links to the "Pocket-gate" footage. One, INDC Journal, even posted frame-by-frame stills purporting to show Kerry pulling out a notecard and placing it onto the podium.

But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen.
/SNIP
 
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:43 pm

"Nice diversion...but since it was asked the answer would be possibly every intelligence agency in the world. "

Diversion? Are we talking about cheating or not?

Regarding the intelligence agency, was the one commanded by the Bush administration. Don't blame anyone else.
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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:54 pm

It was a picture of Monical Lewinsky signed by Bill Clinton. Sort of like a good luck charm, you know.

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:00 am

"NRK...not that I am buying into any of this...but why not speak to him doing something that "appears" to be against the rules.

Damn James, you're right. It does "appear" he took something out.

Well, if taking out a pen is against the rules, then USING it to write later in the debate must be the sin of all sins.

Maybe you guys can start a federal probe for all this. Assign an "independent” counslour. What's Ken Starr doing these days? It would be a jumpstart into making Kerry out to be a criminal. Shoot it took you guys about 6 months into Clinton’s term to start accusing him of stuff like that.  Big grin

No questions in advance, no cheat sheet, just a old school ass kicking that made the president look like a 'tard. Accept it.

Oh, BTW, Poland is pulling it's troops out by the end of 2005. How ironic.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041004/ts_afp/iraq_poland_troops

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RE: Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate

Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:51 am

Mountain out of a mole hill warning but since NRK is such a smart ass...even taking a pen out of his pocket is against the rules. They were to submit all papers and pens/pencils to be placed on the podium prior to their arrival.

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