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Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:35 am

I was wondering if the United States will ever become enough of a democracy to accept a woman President?

While America prides itself on being a harbinger of liberty, equality, and democracy, I just find it extremely jarring that this country has never been able to elect a woman President. I mean so-called third world countries like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand (?), as well as developed nations such as UK and Israel have had elected female leadership.

I just think it is quite indicative of the closed-mindedness and bigotry of the political system in this country that it has not been able to accept a woman at the apex of the government.

Forget about electing other races... I am talking about the possibility of a white woman as President. Do you think the "good ol' boys" in the Senate and House and more importantly the majority of American voters ever accept this?

Any thoughts?

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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:39 am

This is a certainty, but she will be a Conservative. The Liberal women are too Liberal.
 
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:42 am

Wasn't Elizabeth Dole once named as a very possible candidate.

How about this: Liz Dole vs Hill Clinton, the outcome will be determined after 4 rounds of mudfighting in stead of those long and boring debates?
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:45 am

Actually, I would hope we do. A woman would be less likely to rush to war, damage our relationships with other nations, etc.

I also believe more women should be running companies, including airlines. We would see less "I'll get you" mentality.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:45 am

The Liberal women are too Liberal.

In what way? Some examples please of what in your opinion is being less liberal, "just right" liberal, or too liberal.

And I am not being sarcastic as I ask this. I (not having been born and brought up in this country) have a hard time understanding what exactly it means to be a liberal vs a conservative. Does it mostly revolve around abortion rights, gay marriages, etc or is there something more?
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:51 am

How about this: Liz Dole vs Hill Clinton, the outcome will be determined after 4 rounds of mudfighting in stead of those long and boring debates?

Huh!? Sometimes I think it's attitudes like these (perhaps shared by a large majority of the populace) that prevents us from accepting a woman to the highest levels of government.

Sure, we can coat this with a veneer of humor but I think the real attitude toward women still peers thru' loud and clear.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:52 am

Should Kerry lose this year's election, you know who will be at the plate in 2008.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:54 am

I mean so-called third world countries like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand (?), as well as developed nations such as UK and Israel have had elected female leadership.

22right, you're right in stating that many of the poorer, third-world and even Islamic nations have had women as their elected leaders (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Turkey, Indonesia, Israel, Burundi, Guyana, Nicaragua, Rwanda). However, you must keep in mind that most of these women, though legitimately elected, inherited a political legacy from their husbands or fathers.

There are, of course, Western countries where women have been elected to the highest office. These include Britain, France, Canada, Ireland, Portugal, Poland, Finland etc. In these cases, far more often than not, the women made it to the top largely without familial political ties.

Of course, whetever the situation, the fact remains that women have made it to the political top in countries as dissimilar as France and Indonesia, but haven't quite managed to get there in America.

If you want true woman power though, look to New Zealand. They were the first country in the world to give women the vote. And today, the Sovereign, Governor-General, Prime Minister, Leader of the Opposition and the Chief Justice are all women!
 
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:56 am

I was wondering if the United States will ever become enough of a democracy to accept a woman President?

Sure, right after we have a black president.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:01 am

As long as we elect the best-qualified person for the job...if that candidate happens to be a woman, so what? I'm not going to vote for a woman just because this country never had one and it would be "progressive"...
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:01 am

Should Kerry lose this year's election, you know who will be at the plate in 2008

I am assuming you are referring to Hillary. But you know what? The Republicans are seriously considering a bill to amend the US constitution to allow non-US born citizens to run for President. And you know who this is geared toward? Arnold!

I am serious. I beleive Sen. Orrin Hatch is working on this bill and it's even dubbed "Arnold's Bill". After Arnold's impressive showing at the GOP convention this year, they think he is their best weapon for a bid against Hillary. While you may or may not agree with Hillary, that they would rather have a foreign-born white male (who appeals to the testosterone driven general population) versus an intelligent, experienced, strong woman in the White House is quite telling!
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:02 am

You know what, while some peeps want a female president or dont.

I wanna see Arnie as president?
or Will Smith.

There isnt anything presidential you can associate terminator with. Governator works but presinator does.

I like how arnie answers and asks questions where you have to agree.

After he became governator, he then also became part time editor of muscle and fitness I think, he announces it at a press conference, but then says

"is that great or what"? for his last sentence so of course every one claps there hands and goes well done, yeah thats great.
 
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:06 am

In what way? Some examples please of what in your opinion is being less liberal, "just right" liberal, or too liberal.

Actually, too socialistic. Hillary being a prime example.
 
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:07 am


Will The US Ever Have A Black Woman Republican President?

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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:08 am

Not if she's that whack job from Georgia.
 
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:09 am

" I believe Sen. Orrin Hatch is working on this bill and it's even dubbed "Arnold's Bill"."


First of all it would take years for this to happen.

An if it did, I think it would be better to run Michigan's Canadian Born Governor, Jennifer Granholm.

I would vote for her any day.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:09 am

As long as it's not Hillary; I mean we've already had eight years of her I don't think we can take anymore! As long as it's not her.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:11 am

As long as we elect the best-qualified person for the job...

Agreed. But how come in over 80+(?) years of granting women the right to vote, a woman has never been deemed best qualified for the job.

And by the way, inspite of being a novice at the politics of this country, I dont think Americans should kid themselves into thinking that the choices they face on election day are the people who are "best-qualified" for the job. Its the political horse-play and shenanigans that take place well before the actual democratic election that ensure that "in-appropriate" candidates are eliminated early on....
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:19 am

How about this: Liz Dole vs Hill Clinton, the outcome will be determined after 4 rounds of mudfighting in stead of those long and boring debates?

Huh!? Sometimes I think it's attitudes like these (perhaps shared by a large majority of the populace) that prevents us from accepting a woman to the highest levels of government.

Sure, we can coat this with a veneer of humor but I think the real attitude toward women still peers thru' loud and clear.


Actually that comment was brilliantly tought up by my girlfriend.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:21 am

Forget about electing other races... I am talking about the possibility of a white woman as President.

Why do you specify that the woman has to be white, though?

It seems silly for you to rant about how the U.S. electorate is too closed-minded to elect a woman...but then highlight YOUR closed-mindedness by inserting a racist comment like that.

I believe in electing the right PERSON for the job, regardless of ethnicity, sex, etc.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:23 am

I'll certainly vote for Hillary Clinton if she runs. I don't understand why so many on the right hate her som much.

Arnold's Bill will fail and will not be amended to the Constitution. With our governments thurst for war, there will come the possibility a President with loyalty to his/her homeland.
Imagine if we had a Yugoslav-American President during the 1990s, Iraqi-American President now or a Vietnamese-American President during the 1960s.
I don't think the chickenhawks on the far-right would approve.

Let's not fool ourselves in to thinking that women are more 'compassionate', or 'kinder & gentler'. There are some very nasty women out there in politics such as Jean Kirtpatrick, Helen Chenoweth, Ann Coulter, Margaret Thatcher just to name a few.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:35 am

EA CO AS wrote:
It seems silly for you to rant about how the U.S. electorate is too closed-minded to elect a woman...but then highlight YOUR closed-mindedness by inserting a racist comment like that.

EA CO AS, the reason I mentioned a "white woman" was to avoid dilution of the issue by introducing a race factor into the equation in addition to the sex factor. I do think this country is several decades away from accepting a non-white person as President, so no point even discussing that.

And by the way, before you accuse me of being a racist, please note that I am Indian by birth (as in India in South Asia) and have no strong feelings one way or another toward white people.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:37 am

EA CO AS,

I can understand that you had a legitimate grouse against my seeming racist remark since you had no way of knowing about my ethnicity....
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:39 am

Boeing7E7:
Not if she's that whack job from Georgia.

Wow we agree on something. Denise Magette will never be President and yes she will get her ass handed to her next month in the Georgia Senate race.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:41 am

EA CO AS, the reason I mentioned a "white woman" was to avoid dilution of the issue by introducing a race factor into the equation in addition to the sex factor.

Fair enough, and I appreciate you taking the time to expand on that.

I can understand that you had a legitimate grouse against my seeming racist remark since you had no way of knowing about my ethnicity....

....which is irrelevant. A racist comment is still racist, regardless of what your ethnicity is.

You already explained what you'd written, but don't try to hide behind the, "It's ok for me to say it because I'm (insert ethnicity here)," argument - that's pitiful.



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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:48 am

I read the same statement by 22right that EA CO AS read and I saw nothing racist about 22right's post.
22right is pointing out some sad but true facts about the electorate in the United States. There are too many intolerant people here in the U.S. that would never vote for a woman President and certainly would never vote for a Black, Latin or Asian unless they demonstrate that they have been 'cleansed' of all of there cultural identity.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:12 am

Superfly, I was merely attempting to point out what I interpreted as hypocrisy - the notion that the electorate has unfairly kept a woman from being President, but then qualifying the statement with the phrase "a WHITE woman," as if women of other ethnicities could never be considered.

But again, that was before 22right explained it was merely to avoid adding the race factor to the mix when making his point.

So all is well as far as I'm concerned.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:20 am

EA CO AS:
That's cool.
I had this page opened for a while before I made that post and 22right had already beat me.

However Hillary Clinton wouldn't be as scrutinized as much as Carol Mosley Braun, Maxine Waters or Loretta Sanchez if they were to run for President.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:38 am

Actually out of the three I suspect that Sanchez would have the easist time.

but that Billary is hardend more against it.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:44 am

On a sidenote , doesn't Hillary R Clinton have a very republican background and only became a democrat after Bill ran for governor of Ark.?
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:46 am

However Hillary Clinton wouldn't be as scrutinized as much as Carol Mosley Braun, Maxine Waters or Loretta Sanchez if they were to run for President.

Perhaps, but if you divorce ethnicity and notoriety from the equation, looking at these people solely on their achievements I'd say Hillary Clinton would probably be the least scrutinized of the group.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:01 am

Arniepie:
You are correct!
I was just about to start a topic about that.
Just let me put my groceries away and I'll post it in about 10 minutes.  Smile
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:25 am

Women leaders are not always less likely to go to war than their male counterparts. Bloody Mary earned her monicker.
 
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:47 pm

Actually, I think there's a real chance we might cross two bridges at once...

...who would be a good running-mate, on the Condy Rice ticket?
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:29 pm

If Hell froze over and Hillary somehow managed to win the number one job, I would leave this country for those for years.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:49 pm

I don't know if it is already mentioned here but I seem to recall that Oprah Winfrey also carry's a lot of moral weight and some said that she would actually be a good presidential candidate, she is a (very) succesfull business woman, a public figure, extremely media trained and experienced, she has a lot of credibility among all races and she is a black (=minority) woman.
One thing is: I would love to see her in a debate, she would blow the opposition away if you ask me.




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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:55 pm

Re: "Bloody Mary earned her monicker."

If you are referring to Mary Tudor, the nickname "Bloody" was not due to any war she declared - in fact as far as I know England was not at war with anyone during her reign (except possibly Scotland, but that doesn't count). She earned the soubriquet "Bloody" for her religious persecution of English protestants including many burned at the stake.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:43 pm

Yep, Bloody Mary brought back Catholisicm and had a bunch of heretic Protestants burnt. Hence the name.
 
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:57 pm

>>>I was wondering if the United States will ever become enough of a democracy to accept a woman President?<<<

I'm stilll trying to comprehend the meaning of, "Enough of a Democracy".

Does that mean women are prohibited by U.S. law from running or winning?

Does that mean enacting a quota system based on sex for Presidential candidates?

Would voting against a woman make you, "Anti-democracy".

Could a woman lose and the U.S. remain Democratic?

If a woman was elected President, does your question of, "accept", assume a 2nd American Revolution is a possibility?

Because if a woman was elected, obviously she collected the majority of Electoral votes.

A valid question might read, "Will the U.S. ever elect a woman President?

To that I say, Yes.

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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:03 pm

I wouldn't mind if a female was the president of the U.S. However, I would be concerned if her cabinent, and all of her advisors were female.... No decisions would be made and nothing would ever get done - there would be too much talking and no action.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:26 pm

The US will eventually have a woman President.

But it will not be Hillary Clinton. And it will DEFINITELY not be that recipient of Viagra-love, Liddy Dole.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:37 pm

Let's not fool ourselves in to thinking that women are more 'compassionate', or 'kinder & gentler'. There are some very nasty women out there in politics such as Jean Kirtpatrick, Helen Chenoweth, Ann Coulter, Margaret Thatcher just to name a few.

Ann Coulter, of course! Thanks for reminding me, Superfly, she would be a great President! It doesn't hurt that she's a hottie, too!  Big grin
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:47 pm

"It doesn't hurt that she's a hottie, too!"

You're kidding, right? Have you ever seen her in person when she isn't on TV spouting ways to kill liberals? When she isn't drunk, she's so looped out on cocaine that its funny to watch.

You know that Heather Locklear is a registered Republican too. I think the GOP can do better than Coulter for GOP pin-up Presidential babe.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:51 am

You know that Heather Locklear is a registered Republican too. I think the GOP can do better than Coulter for GOP pin-up Presidential babe.


Locklear's not bad, but for GOP babe, I'll have to go with Angie Harmon or Leann Tweeden.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:53 am

I would vote for Representative Louise Slaughter without hesitation.
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RE: Will The US Ever Have A Woman President?

Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:11 am

Scotts, Heretics, or A-rabs the point is that a woman can be every bit as ruthless and bloodthirsty as a man. Those traits have nothing to do with the equipment between the legs. Western culture only propagates this myth.

Whether or not she started the dang thing we don't even have to look back that far to see a woman leading a country to war. When Argentina invaded the Falkland islands the British, under Margaret Thatcher most definately sent their troops to war. Her vagina didn't keep her from sending young men (and women?) to their deaths.

Then we have this woman in Abu-Ghraib prison mistreating the male soldiers. Once again, her uterus didn't make her less likely to resort to violence.

Those of you who believe that a world under the rule of women would be a less violent place are living in a dream world.

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