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That Alcs Thread...

Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:09 am

For the second year in a row, it will be Red Sox-Yankees.

Personally, I think this is as exciting as baseball gets. These two teams hate (this is one case where I think the word hate might be an understatement) each other, and last year's ALCS only intensified this. This Series has all the potential to go the distance, and with quite a bit of drama too.

Games 1-2 are Tuesday and Wednesday in New York, 3-5 are 200 miles northwest in the Fens next weekend, and 6-7 are next Tuesday/Wedesnday are back in the Stadium. Pitching matchups should be similar to the LDS, with Mussina/Lieber/Brown going against Schilling/Pedro/Wakefield in 1-3, Arroyo vs. Vazquez/Duque in Game 4, and then the 1-3 rotation for 5-7. The reason I'm giving Wakefield the edge over Arroyo is that the Yankees for some reason can't find a way to solve Wakefield, both last year and this year (aside from Boone's HR last year, Wake's dominated the Yanks); it can't hurt having him go twice in the series.

Jeff
 
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:19 am

Like I said in the AL Divisional Series Thread, this should be great again. I guess the question this time has to be, what way will the curse of the Great George Herman "Babe" Ruth show its way? Schilling blowing it like Pedro last year? A weak ground ball through Mienchevitz legs? A home run like the one Bucky Dent or Aaron Boone hit? We'll have to see.

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Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:32 am

Yanksn4-

Your not really old enough to understand what this really means to Red Sox and Yankee fans. Other then last year, what where you.. 3 when both teams matched up this good....?? But I will say, the announcers where right last night during the Red Sox game. For a Red Sox fan, it won't mean anything unless they get there through the Bronx. Fans where asked on the street if it would mean as much winning the World Series, even though it was 1918 when they last won..the consense..?? NO, we need to play and beat the Yankees..!!

It all starts Tuesday.....

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Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:49 am

At the risk of sounding too much like Terry Pratchett (whose latest novel I've just finished)...

And the wheel turned. The balances and counterweights that made the world somehow, inexplicably work hummed in their tracks and curves.

Hearts would be broken, again. Miracles would become incrementally more common by a season. The machine would work.

Yankees at the wire.
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:09 am

The Sox took the season series and they are hot right now. Red Sox fans can't bee too confident because it's the Yankees. Yanks "fans" shouldn't be too confident because of the whole 1918 thing. These 2 teams are equal right now and only time will tell who will win this series. It should be a fun time...

Hopefully Mahow Mahow will propel the Sox into the World Series,
 
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:16 am

GO RED SOX!!!!!!
And the winner for best actress is....REESE WITHERSPOON for 'Walk the Line'!!!!!!!!
 
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:45 pm

I just hope that THIS year, I can call my brother in New Jersey (a Yankees fan)
and give him the ribbing he gave me (a Red Sox fan) last year.


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Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:28 pm

"Games 1-2 are Tuesday and Wednesday in New York, 3-5 are 200 miles northwest in the Fens next weekend"  Wink/being sarcastic

- Not to be too picky, but isn't Boston northeast of NYC? Yankees in 5 games. The interesting series will be the NLCS...........

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Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:17 am

The interesting series will be the NLCS????

Please.

The Cards will wrap that up in 5. The Asstros don't have any pitching after Clemens and Oswalt and those two are running on fumes. It took them 5 games to close out an ATL team they should have easily swept. STL will roll.

The ALCS is much more evenly matched. It could easily go either way. And the fact that these two teams hate each other makes it even better.

My ALCS prediction:

Soxn6!




 
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:02 am

1 hour and counting...I'm pumped.

Can't wait to listen to the expert analysis and general excitement Joe Buck and Tim McCarver bring to a baseball telecast Yeah sure

Sox in 7

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Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:39 am

Can't wait to listen to the expert analysis and general excitement Joe Buck and Tim McCarver bring to a baseball telecast

Yeah, me too. I really wish it was on ESPN. FOX sucks.
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:17 am

Well, 3 1/2 inning is, It's a Curt Shelling.

So far, Yanks 6, Sox 0

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ren41
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:47 am

Hey, look on the bright side. The MFY's lost Game 1 last year and still won the series...

We also have BRANDON Arroyo going in Game 3. Can someone remind me how McCarver got that job in the first place?
 
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:39 am

From perfect game to 3-run game very quickly...Gotta love it.

It was V-Tek's 1st hit at Yankee Stadium this year.
 
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:41 am

2nd that Ren41, I'm loving this! 8-5 game now with Variteks home run. It was starting to look pretty grim, but now the Sox have life!
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:08 pm

WOW, its now a one run game with Ortiz's clutch triple. I thought it was gonna go out until it got to the wall. What a game, hopefully the Sox will pull this one out!
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:14 pm

I thought Ortiz had hit it out. I really did.

With Mariano on now, I think that was the 'Sox last chance tonight. Damn.  Sad
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:46 pm

Home grown player = Bernie Williams.

Well-fought game for both teams, and no wacky shit!
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:25 pm

Perfect, you have Chowd Fan and wannabe Chowd Fan talking shit because the Red Sox were starting to rally. Might wanna wait until they can finish the job next time. I'll get excited when the Red Sox can actually win a damn series in the playoff's against the Yankees.

Oh, and Fox's opening segment with the Star Wars bits tied in with the teams was classic stuff.
 
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:15 pm

Who's your daddy? Awesome game. Thank God the Yanks held on.
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:10 am

KROC, who do you want to win this series?

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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:19 am

I'm undecided. I hate the Yankees and do not want to see them in the Series, but because I think Chowd Nation is about as ridiculous as anything with your piano choppings, curses, and crybaby "Why Not Us" slogans, watching you get your hearts ripped out yet again by the Yankees would be priceless. But, watching you get your hearts ripped out in the World Series is almost as good. I am pulling for the red Sox.
 
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:36 pm

Who's yo' daddy, Pedro?

Typical Pedro game. He pitches just well enough to lose. Meanwhile, Lieber was absolutely lights out, Gordon got the job done (albeit with a bit of agita for Yankee fans), and Rivera slammed the door in the Red Sox face. Yankees win, THEEEEE YANKEES WIN 3-1.

One has to have a pretty positive outlook if you're a fan of the Yanks. Pedro and Schilling have been beaten, and Schilling might not even be back (and we know how the Yankees love to hit his replacement Derek Lowe). I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't come back to New York.
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:40 pm

I share that positive outlook, although I'm not going to make the mistake of counting the Sox out. I just want a chance to shut up the Fenway Faithful.

Two great games of baseball so far... if all goes well, I'll be able to post my special pic.
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:04 pm

Well looks like all those in the liberal media learn a lesson in that you never, ever count out the New York Yankees. This is great that the Yankees starters are shoving that bs crap that Lieber and Mussina can't win a ballgame. Hopefully now the Yankees can place the steak in the black heart of the Red Sox right in the capital of Sox Nation.

See you guys later on Tuesday when I get back from HNL.

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Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:31 pm

Dare I speculate?







What if Yanksn4 actually lives up to his name?





Nah.
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:48 pm

I share that positive outlook, although I'm not going to make the mistake of counting the Sox out. I just want a chance to shut up the Fenway Faithful.

Haven't you learned? You can beat us but it won't shut us up. We're used to defeat!  Smile

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Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:41 pm

Has anyone checked on Ren41, to make sure Super Chowd Fan number one isn't hanging from the shower rod?

Oh, and this just in, Pedro's midgit is tentitively scheduled to pitch Game 3 at Fenway Park......he can't do any worse.
 
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:49 am

Well looks like all those in the liberal media learn a lesson in that you never, ever count out the New York Yankees.

The liberal media? You're kidding right? What, did FoxNews pick the Yanks? Jeeeeez.....


Hopefully now the Yankees can place the steak in the black heart of the Red Sox right in the capital of Sox Nation.

The steak ?????

Yeah you have education to learn alright..... LOL


 
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:02 am

Well, since the Yanks are kicking the Chowd's ass, its time for me to make my make my yearly smack-talking, bandwagon jumping  Big grin appearance.

How do you like dem apples!? AGGGHHHH!

It was nice to see Jeri Curl Pete get yanked around last night. How about those cuts from Johnny Damon, I haven't a terrible swing like that since KROC filed for divorce. I loved it how the Chowd Nation (and the Daily News) was predicting Red Sox in 5 or 6--the curse lives on! The thing that really encourages me about the Yankees is that they are actually getting production from the bottom of their lineup. I had a feeling last night when Olerud (who was only signed for 100k) stepped to the plate that he was going to belt one. Its great because I live in a house full of Twins fans, who I all had bets with, going into that series, and now I have a whole series of bets on this one as well.

If I was a Sox fan, I wouldn't be very encouraged right now. Bronson Arroyo is the definition of marginal, and Tim Wakefield simply isn't the pitcher he used to be.

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Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:05 am

Dude, I didn't know all the Twins fans lived in the same house.
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:08 am

Has anyone checked on Ren41, to make sure Super Chowd Fan number one isn't hanging from the shower rod?

Nope, just like Yanksn4 I'm getting myself an edjewkayshun.

Bronson Arroyo is the definition of marginal, and Tim Wakefield simply isn't the pitcher he used to be.

The same Wakefield who won 2 games in last years ALCS?

Arroyo is very underrated he got no run support this year and has a pretty good ERA. He pitched great in game 3 of the ALDS, and the Sox have won his last 5 starts.

I'm not giving up yet.

 
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:42 am

Its great because I live in a house full of Twins fans, who I all had bets with, going into that series, and now I have a whole series of bets on this one as well.

Oh the Twins fans here are great, aren't they? Half the fun of the Divisional Series was watching them slowly shut up and lock themselves away after the first game.
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:36 pm

HOLY CRAP did the Sox get smashed tonight. 19-8, wow. Base hit after base hit, inning after inning. Would someone please check in on Ren and see if he's all well?

Yanks can sweep tomorrow against the Sox, with El Duque pitching against an unknown member of the BoSox pitching staff (probably Lowe). There's not a position I'd rather be in as a Yankee fan.

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Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:40 pm

I was at the game tonight and it was uhhhh...interesting. During the 2nd inning I have never heard Fenway so loud in my life with everyone chanting "KEEEVVVVIIINNN" and "ROOIIDD RAAGGEEE", then I've never heard it so quiet late on Sad

Hey, the Pats are going for 20 in a row in about 12 hours.

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Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:42 pm

There's not a position I'd rather be in as a Yankee fan.

Thats funny considering you weren't a Yankee "fan" a few months ago.

R41
 
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:50 pm

Wow, Yanks go up 3-0. Sweep, baby, sweep. I bet that the Yankees would have to play at least six to win the series. Unfreakingbelieveable, Sheffield is the man, and so is Matsui. That game was freaking awesome. Hey Chowds, what do you think about Bronson Arroyo, who you've been pimping for the past three days?! Great freaking game that guy threw... It thrilled me to see all the bandwagon Chowds at Fenway with their heart breaking. Eat it Chowds! Eat it! (and by the way, I like how the "great" Boston fans left in the 7th inning--nice job Atl..errr...Boston fan)



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Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:54 pm

what do you think about Bronson Arroyo, who you've been pimping for the past three days?!

What do you think of Kevin Brown? He was also horrible.
 
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:57 pm

I'm...speechless. What a crazy game!

I can't believe how locked in the Yankee hitters are. THeir production is absolutely inhuman. I've never seen a team do this shit.

And the Red sox played a good game. They hit enough to win any normal series.
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:09 pm

Thats funny considering you weren't a Yankee "fan" a few months ago.

Actually, I've been a fan for quite some time (since about 92-93). Nice try though.

What do you think of Kevin Brown? He was also horrible.

Yeah, he was. But Vazquez did a good job, and the offense made up for it. It's kind of ironic that you said before that Arroyo didn't get much run support. He got 8 tonight, but it still wasn't enough.


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Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:06 pm

I am a life-long Red Sox fan! I grew up watching Fisk, Yaz & Fred Lynn with my Uncle Rich & Uncle Pat. My father was born & raised in North Providence, RI.

I think I am seriously depressed! 19-8 is unbelievable! The Yankees domination of the ALCS & their $186 million payroll should ensure that MLB "salary cap" talks will be on every small & medium market team owners agenda for the off season.

Yeah, I know the Red Sox team payroll is $128 million, not too far behind. The 2004 Yankees have offensive depth & their pitching rotation is incredible! The Yankees batting order infuriates me, the pain never ends! I will never give up on the Red Sox! "The Curse of the Bambino!" The 2003 & 2004 ALCS series are almost as disapppointing as the 1996 Mets World Series Championship! At least the Atlanta Braves are out of the picture!

Tom


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Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:49 pm

The Yankees domination of the ALCS & their $186 million payroll should ensure that MLB "salary cap" talks will be on every small & medium market team owners agenda for the off season.

We had this two years ago. Everyone wanted to stop the Yankees, and so we ended up with this luxury tax (which EVERY team except the Yankees agreed to). The Yanks pay their fare share of the tax, and that's that. I have zero sympathy for owners who are rolling in money (and there are several) and yet refuse to spend enough to give their fans a good team (I do have sympathy for the fans though). The Yankees have their own TV network, huge licensing deals, and all that other stuff that makes them huge amounts of money for one reason: they win enough to support it. Sometimes you have to spend money to make it, and Steinbrenner understands that. I guarantee that if the Kansas City Royals (who are owned by the former owner of Walmart IIRC, so money is no problem there) decided in the off-season to get Pedro, Randy Johnson, Carlos Beltran, and a few other big-name free agents, they would get 35,000-40,000 people a game, and eventually, it would pay for itself in revenue. Most of the owners can spend enough to compete with the Yankees. Not many do. And for those who can, but don't, there's a tiny violin playing somewhere just for them.
Besides which, the Red Sox do have a good team (and a high payroll). The fact that they appear to have been sending their evil twins to the games doesn't change that. You can't blame the way this series has gone on the Yankees' payroll.

Which brings up the next point, if the Yanks do end up sweeping, will the Sox faithful be calling for Francona's head? Their team has played so badly, and there's got to be some reason for it.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:42 am

Hi All,
You can't blame this one on the Yankees payroll. Simply put, the Yankees played like Champs and the Red Sox like Chumps. Even though the Yanks rotation doesn't have the big names of earlier years, they still rise to the occasion. I'm a huge Red Sox fan, but the better team won. The Yankees, led by Joe Torre, just have this swagger about them. They know they can overcome anything.

The Sox could have got A-Rod, but they weasled out for a measy couple of millions. Financial responsibility they claimed was the reason..What BS...The only nice thing I can say about Steinbrennier is that he goes all out to win.
That trade would have been awesome for Boston..We wouldn't have had to deal with Nomar's whining for half the season.

The Boston press has been blaming Schilling's injury for the disarray in the clubhouse..Please, what a pathetic excuse. The Patriots lost Drew Bledsoe and won the Super Bowl with a rookie Tom Brady...Championship teams overcome adversity, and the Sox just crumbled. I think Francona needs to be canned, but he won't b/c the ownership loves him..In too many ways he reminds me of Pete Carroll.

I also think Pedro is done with the Red Sox. He can't win the big games anymore for whatever reason. I don't see the point in paying him $17.5 million. Especially after he threw his teammates under the bus after game 2. Does anyone think he'll sign in New York? D. Lowe is also gone as well. No way we're holding onto that headcase...I'd like to see the Sox sign Carl Pavano. Epstein has his work cut out for him.
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:52 am

As a die hard Cubs fan, I have to say that if the Cubs didn't make it to the WS, the Sox shouldn't. Face it, the Yankees OWN the Red Sox in the postseason. When I was up in PVD for college, I saw quite a few Sox/Yanks games in Fenway, so I was pretty much forced to really get into the rivalry. Our dorm room in 2000 had a huge "Yankees Suck C*ck" sign hung on the window for everyone to see. Yeah it was pretty intense. Same old story year after year though. The Sox buckle under the pressure. They have the players to beat the Yankees (hell they beat them frequently in the regular season), but when it's all on the line, they choke. As do the Cubs.
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:19 am

Pedro threw his teammates under the bus with his now famous comment, "I tip my cap to the Yankees, and call them my daddy." He, in effect, threw in the towel right then and there. And the team lost its confidence as a result.

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Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:16 am

He, in effect, threw in the towel right then and there. And the team lost its confidence as a result.

How did the Sox sweep the Angels with no confidence at all?
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:11 am

Hi All,
I don't think it's a confidence thing at all..These guys just choke...Like some have mentioned, they need a Belichick mentality. I wonder how far the "idiot" theme would get on the Pats.

Better yet, Belichick wouldn't coddle superstars. You all just saw how he benched Bethel Johnson..Francona takes the blame for Pedro leaving before the game is over..Belichick would have benched his ass. If anything, the Red Sox management just got themselves a puppet to do their bidding. I'm not impressed with the new ownership at all. They talk up a storm but don't back it up. I'd like them to get a real manager who believes in running a professional team like Joe Torre. No funny hairstyles or stupid slogans...Just play the game!

SV
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:44 pm

Give the Sox credit for actually showing up tonight, and winning 6-4. Despite the result, it was a damn good game. The Yanks were so close, but Rivera let it slip away. And then the offense reverted back to its "hit a base hit and wait for the home run" mode. I know that there were a lot of those in Game 3, but it's still not a good way to win games.

So the Sox live another day. Game 5 will be at 5 Eastern Time, with Mike Mussina pitching against a TBA Red Sox pitcher (Pedro is a likely possibility).

Pretty much all you can do after a loss like this is tip your hat and come back the next day.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:22 pm

That was a great game I was up until the end... way past 12:30 am *yawn* Tonight is Pedro pitching... we'll see what happens you never know  Smile
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:14 am

Way to go "Big Papi!" At least the Red Sox won't be shut out by the Yankees.

For all the MLB & Yankee fans, I apologize. The New York Yankees won the World Series in 1996. The New York Mets won the 1986 World Series by defeating the Boston Red Sox.

I wasn't trying to discredit the talented scouts, managers & players with the New York Yankees. They deserve respect & admiration from any baseball fan. They have become the most succesful MLB franchise. The Yankees agreed & paid a very hefty $22.5 million luxury tax for the 2004 MLB season.

I believe that a few small & medium market MLB team owner, will make an issue about salary cap & revenue sharing. Perhaps these owners should learn a few things from Mark Cuban (Dallas Mavericks owner).

If you have time, check out this article from Sundays' New York Times.


Tom

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/weekinreview/17care.html
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