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What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:02 pm

Speaking to a black church:

"November 2, the power is in your hands, hands that once picked cotton," Jackson said.

It was a theme picked up on by Sharpton: "Everything we have fought for, marched for, gone to jail for - some died for - could be reversed if the wrong people are put on the Supreme Court."

What exactly do these two think is going to happen after November 2? You'd think they are convinced slavery was coming back just like up-turned collars...
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:24 pm

Your question (and topic title) should be...What Are Clueless White People Like Me Thinking?... when we post stupid threads about messages not meant for us and things we don't understand...

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:27 pm

"when we post stupid threads about messages not meant for us and things we don't understand..."

So explain it to me...
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:44 pm

As your article says they were speaking to a black church... why don't you visit one and ask someone... they'll expain it or...

If you really care..do a google on the 'Articles of Succession' or Civil War archives, or search 'women suffrage'.. only people who've had to pay in blood for the right to vote (against the US govt) understand messages asking them revisit the roots of such struggle aka... study some history and your questions won't come off as the generic race-baiting that pops up here so randomly (including some previous comments on racial issues made by you and not in an inquisitive or desire to learn manner-- so what's changed?)

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:30 pm

It doesn’t matter who they are addressing, they are BOTH full of shit, every word that comes out of their mouth might as well be right out of a horses ass!

p.s. You are accusing Maverick of being a race-baiter? Take a look at your two buddies there
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:01 pm

And spoken by someone apparently too familiar with horses asses...


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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:09 pm

boy that was a good one there 747
watch out there guys hes on a roll
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:19 pm

Sharpton and Jackson are both race baiters who have raised personal fortunes playing up old sterotypes and fears.

They are dividers not uniters.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:27 pm

thank you L-188

at least someone knows what they are talking about


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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:04 pm

I'm all in favor of the Democratic Party, but blacks need to get a different figurehead. Sharpton and Jackson only hurt the party with all the stuff they spew out.

Perhaps Obama is the right person.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:44 pm

Smithfly, if you're going to fly off at the mouth without sharing any studied historical reference...park yourself in the back row...right there with the other idiots who clearly cannot open their mouths without sounding like uninformed morons.

Sharpton and Jackson are both race baiters who have raised personal fortunes playing up old sterotypes and fears. They are dividers not uniters

L-188, it's hard to believe that at your age... you are saying something so stupid. You haven't moved from 1st gear. Your statement...

Sharpton and Jackson are both race baiters who have raised personal fortunes playing up old sterotypes and fears.

That very same statement(s) was being shouted out by people like you while spitting and throwing stones back in the 60s, 70s when Jackson (was poor) but put his life on the line to protest for basic civil rights. That very same statement of yours has never left white minds (parents of the younger members-- smithfly, maverick11-- here's your cue to go talk with your parents, because either they were out there shouting L-188s sentiments or thinking them) and it never will. No matter what Jackson has done.. freeing the white USAF Pilot from captivity in Libya. Bringing the spot light (and fight) to obtain higher minimum wages for all poor class workers, equal rights for (all) women... but none of these means anything to you because it does get the same media coverage as the 'black vs white issues which forces you to quickly jump back to the 'black problematic' civil rights thing isn't it? "They're loud and troublesome"... did it every occur to you that they were probably right?

Opportunistic??? Absolutely, if you are dealing with a Fortune 500 companies and they want to treat the minions like crap.. then you'd better learn 'corporate hand-to-hand combat 101' pretty damn fast if you want to start achieving commensurate wages vs pinks slips.

L-188.. you're the guy who sucks Bush's cock harder than his wife and has sworn 30+ times here on A.net you're not a republican... so any remarks from you can't mean much until you come to terms with just what..and who you are.

I'm all in favor of the Democratic Party, but blacks need to get a different figurehead. Sharpton and Jackson only hurt the party with all the stuff they spew out.

And just how do you qualify as telling blacks what they need.

Obama is not what you're suggesting at all.

Obama's aim from the very start is an inclusive effort from the very start..he is not 'a black leader' or figurehead.

Sharpton/Jackson hurting the party??? That's a pretty stupid comment... do radical gays hurt the party? How about NOW members? How about Greenpeace members? PETA peeps??? Mir.. you've got the wrong party.. the dems are teh ONLY party that truly opens it's doors to all comers.

Sure, sometimes the mood of the nation is very conservative and needs a scapegoat, so it can pick a minority (and post a Jackson/Sharpton pic somewhere) or a tree hugger and the message (in code speak) comes across LOUD and CLEAR '...Enough of this tolerance crap.... we're getting too far from guns, apple pie and god!' .... and it shows up in the voting booth. And it has never failed and it never will.

Now back to this pointless thread...

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:17 pm

We are living in a slightly different time than the 60s, sorry to break it to you, I’m sure you were still hitting the bong, but blacks are not fighting the same struggles they were then, yet your two little buddies seem to think so. A black man who applies himself is not constrained by anything except people like you who keep telling them that they are.
Let me guess you are for affirmative action too?

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:35 pm

I would argue that Jackson is one of Americas greatest uniters.

When he was running for president I went to some of his campaign ralies in Northern Wisconsin where he attracted more people than Bush or Kerry could ever hope to bring in. He had one of the best messages of support to white family farmers and small business men.

He has worked for the rainbow coalition, community groups here in DC building housing for all income groups. I have never heard him use the race card unless speaking with a black group (in which case he wouldnt really be using the card would he).

I think he was encouraging black voters to remember their past and that they shouldnt take voting for granted because currently they have horrible voter turnout which is an insult to those who fought for their right to vote.


My question is why are white people so threatened by this? You would rather have our minorities only represented by leaders who act white, like Rice and Powel and who have done nothing to encourage minorities to vote?




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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:40 pm

I should have also added that Kerry was present at this church; in fact that was the reason for the whole meeting. Sharpton and Jackson seem to imply that if Bush wins, civil rights will be turned back, and you might be picking cotton again. I don't expect any better from these two but it's like the major parties scaring old ladies that they won't have any healthcare, or women that they won't have control over their uterus, or one party or the other will elect Nazis....just scare tactics, and it's too bad.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:45 pm

"I’m sure you were still hitting the bong, but blacks are not fighting the same struggles they were then, yet your two little buddies seem to think so. A black man who applies himself is not constrained by anything except people like you who keep telling them that they are."

And, yet, the EEOC hears tens of thousands of real cases of anti-black discrimination year after year. Get real and try and understand that the world is still not quite as comfy as the closed cul-de-sac of your mind. Sharpton may be a flawed messenger after the Tawana Brawley disgrace, but there is still real discrimination out there.

"Everything we have fought for, marched for, gone to jail for - some died for - could be reversed if the wrong people are put on the Supreme Court."

The Texan puppet and his goons constantly bring up the "wrong people" on the Supreme court in their stump speeches and how if their rabid supporters don't vote on Nov 2, life as we know it will end.

How come your panties aren't rolled up in a wad when that happens?
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:51 pm

WOW people here have no idea!

Does anyone here know why Jackson is concerned with the Supreme Court appointments??

Do you think it might have something to do with Stem Cell Research and the fact that he suffers from Sickle Cell trait that keeps him bedridden and was why he had to leave politics? And that scientests are claiming that stem cell research is one of the only ways to find a cure for his condition...do you think that his life might have something to do with that?

what does this have to do with race and slavery?


I can't speak for Sharpton's comments but attacking Jackson is so extreamly ridiculous! He has done more for this country and unity than any other politician currently serving in our gov't and by far more than anyone in this forum!!

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:51 pm

What are Sharpton and Jackson thinking: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The more black people are kept down, the more chances Sharpton and Jackson's little organizations get the chance to sue the pants off corporations with deep pockets, thus lining their own pockets. They feed the feeling of entitelment many lower income blacks feel, they feed the feeling that white people owe them something.

Right now, racism in America is probably at an all time low. It is not gone by any stretch of the imagination, but it never will be. If someone, regardless of skin color, feels like they were honestly discriminated against they can have their choice of very qualified lawyers, who would work on contingent to go out and get whatever satisfaction they feel they can under the law. In this enviroment there is no excuse to hear the excuse "it is because I am black." Yet that excuse is probably being used more than ever today. Why? because Jackson and Sharpton tell people they are on welfare, they are uneducated, they are unemployed, because they are black.

More people need to start listening to Bill Cosby and stop listening to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, all of them are Comedians, but Bill Cosby is actually funny, and makes some good points about what is wrong with black culture.

It is funny, you really never hear the terms Irish-American, Italian-American, Mexican-American, French-American, German-American, Hatian-American. That is because all those people call themselves one thing: Americans. The term you do hear every single day is "African-American" or some version of the same. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton encourage this, rather than encouraging their followers to join the melting pot that has made America strong, they would rather set their group apart from everyone else.

Do you realize there are groups out there that feel every white American needs to pay every African-American reparations for slavery? Where are Jackson and Sharpton on this? They sure aren't stopping it, they see dollar signs. I really think this country has moved past slavery, but it seems some groups are still hung up on something that ended almost 150 years ago. Why? because their leadership tells them to be pissed about it rather than moving on.

Do you hear of Jews seeking reparations from Germany for how their parents and grandparents were treated? No. Why is this? Maybe their leadership realizes they need to put the past behind them and think about the future, something Jackson and Sharpton would be preaching if they actually gave a rats ass about Black society.

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:55 pm

Re: Do you hear of Jews seeking reparations from Germany for how their parents and grandparents were treated? No.

Er, yes. Various Jewish organisations have filed suit for damages against large German companies who used slave labour during the Nazi era in Germany. IG Faben (sp?) was one of them, I think. I can't remember if the cases have been heard, or what the outcome was.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:57 pm

MaverickM11,

You are aware that Jackson and Sharpton are two different people, right?

I know they all look the same to you but saying that Jackson had anything to do with Sharpton's speech is like saying Kerry feels the same way about Iraq as Bush because he was at the debate when Bush said "Iraq was the right war".

Don't talk about two very different people as one!
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:58 pm

Cite all of Jesse Jacksons awards but none of them mean shit. Most of those awards could be won by you if you wanted them. Honorary degrees are about the most worthless thing I have ever heard of as well, I guess if you cough up a few million dollars for a university you could probably get one too, same with most of the other awards. Not one thing on his resume has actually done anything positive for the people he claims to lead, yet they still follow like lemmings.

"Er, yes. Various Jewish organisations have filed suit for damages against large German companies who used slave labour during the Nazi era in Germany"

That is a real claim for damages, not reparations based soley on skin color for something that happened 3 generations ago, there is a difference in taking what is rightfully owed to you for services rendered and taking what you feel is owed to you because of who your great great grandfather might have been

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:01 am

"How come your panties aren't rolled up in a wad when that happens?"

I do; this just happens to be something that came up yesterday.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:02 am

I should have also added that Kerry was present at this church; in fact that was the reason for the whole meeting. Sharpton and Jackson seem to imply that if Bush wins, civil rights will be turned back..

You mean, like amending the Constitution-a bastion allegedly to keep the people safe from government, so that government can tell a group of Americans that they cannot marry? You mean like that? Oh, OK.

More people need to start listening to Bill Cosby..

On that, Captoveur, I heartily agree with you for once.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:04 am

"If someone, regardless of skin color, feels like they were honestly discriminated against they can have their choice of very qualified lawyers, who would work on contingent to go out and get whatever satisfaction they feel they can under the law. In this enviroment there is no excuse to hear the excuse "it is because I am black." "

But if they were discriminated against, it is because they were black. Why else would you file a legitimate lawsuit?

And why is everyone getting so riled up because Jackson told his followers to go to the polls? Many black civil rights leaders question why black turnout at the polls is so low and excoriate the current generation to go exercise the right that they fought so hard for. Sadly, many blacks (and whites and asians and whoever) take the right to vote for granted, while men of Jackson's era do not.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:04 am

"You are aware that Jackson and Sharpton are two different people, right?
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HUH? What are you talking about? Jackson made the reference to picking cotton; Sharpton implied civil rights will be gone with the wrong winner on November 2. They were both present at this church with Kerry.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:05 am

Capt,

What universities do you have honorary degrees from again?

Last I checked Jackson was taxed on $80,000 of income so Im not sure how is coughing up millions of dollars and he sure doenst have anything named after him here at Georgetown.

He founded organizations and worked for community development from rural farmland to inner cities. I would encourage you to actually listen to him before passsing all this judgement on him. And your basing your judgement on a quote made be Sharpton!!!


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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:07 am

Re: That is a real claim for damages, not reparations based soley on skin color for something that happened 3 generations ago, there is a difference in taking what is rightfully owed to you for services rendered

They're not suing for back-pay - this is reparations, I'm pretty sure.

I would agree that reparations claims for slavery are pretty tenuous - there has to be some kind of statute of limitations on stuff like that. Also I believe that some of the grounds for the suit are based on DNA evidence that the plaintiffs origins are in Africa. Well duh - ALL persons of Afro-Caribbean origin came from Africa - it's like a given. Doesn't prove whether they came over as slaves though.

Who knows, maybe I can sue Italy because my ancestors were enslaved by the Romans. A few carefully prepared stone tablets, the case is as good as won !
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:10 am

MAv,

Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

"HUH? What are you talking about? Jackson made the reference to picking cotton; Sharpton implied civil rights will be gone with the wrong winner on November 2. They were both present at this church with Kerry."

"What exactly do these two think is going to happen after November 2? You'd think they are convinced slavery was coming back just like up-turned collars"

Jackson said nothing about slavery coming back so why did you write "these two think" ?

If you read the entire speach he talking about the people who fought for civil rights and the right to vote and how we should remember them by actually getting out and voting!!

Sharpton made the comment you are freaking out about...
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:18 am

"Thanks for admitting you were wrong."

I don't know why you're trying to pick a fight where there is none. What is Jackson trying to reference by "hands that once picked cotton"?

""November 2, the power is in your hands, hands that once picked cotton," Jackson said.

It was a theme picked up on by Sharpton: "Everything we have fought for, marched for, gone to jail for - some died for - could be reversed if the wrong people are put on the Supreme Court."
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:24 am

"Last I checked Jackson was taxed on $80,000 of income so Im not sure how is coughing up millions of dollars and he sure doenst have anything named after him here at Georgetown."

Yeah that is his personal income, but his little rainbow coalition thing, which is pretty much a non-profit extension of Jesse Jacksons right arm has very very deep pockets.

Name one person with an honorary degree that didn't more or less buy it from the school. That is the only reason any university would hand out a meaningless piece of paper, because that is all an honorary degree is, a PR move to suck up to a big donor. Not like you can put an honorary degree in the education section of your resume.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:29 am

"I don't know why you're trying to pick a fight where there is none. What is Jackson trying to reference by "hands that once picked cotton"?"

He is refering to the fact that they had to fight for the right to vote and they need to take advantage of that right and go out and vote! Nowhere in his speech did he say anything about going back to slavery or the Supreme Court appointments (in which his own concern is with Stem-Cell research not slavery).

I know thats a hard concept to grasp but its a shame that you are going after Jackson for something that Sharpton said.

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:29 am

"Yeah that is his personal income, but his little rainbow coalition thing, which is pretty much a non-profit extension of Jesse Jacksons right arm has very very deep pockets. "

Not deep enough to buy him an honorary degree(s). And if they spent their money on stuff like that their non-profit status would face a serious investigation and/or a revocation of their non-profit status.

I think that before you accuse organizations of buying honorary degrees with millions of dollars, you should do a little investigation. The Rainbow Coalitions expense records are probably available under a FOIA request.

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:32 am

"And if they spent their money on stuff like that their non-profit status would face a serious investigation and/or a revocation of their non-profit status."

That has come up... Ok, oh great one.. Why the honorary degrees then? It sure as hell isn't for forwarding the cause, because if you put down the soda straw you are looking through the cause has gone backwards.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:34 am

"He is refering to the fact that they had to fight for the right to vote and they need to take advantage of that right and go out and vote!"

So the cotton picking reference actually is a reference to the fact that they have to take advantage of their right to vote.

Wow. Did you not do well on the word association part of the SAT?

"I know thats a hard concept to grasp but its a shame that you are going after Jackson for something that Sharpton said.
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I'm going after BOTH OF THEM because there are, just like you said, TWO PEOPLE.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:50 am

Both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton got into politics for one reason, and one reason only - to help the people they represent, the African-American community.


These men started with the best of intentions....HOWEVER - over time, they - much like the Islamic fascists we're battling today - began corrupting the ideals and beliefs they claim to represent, twisting them to serve their own agendas of self-advancement.

Over the years they've become drunk with power and blindly think they still represent the interests of the African-American community, when all they're really doing lately is trying to make themselves still feel relevant and influential in a desperate attempt to be thought of as statesmen.

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:27 am

"- over time, they - much like the Islamic fascists we're battling today - began corrupting the ideals and beliefs they claim to represent, twisting them to serve their own agendas of self-advancement."

Puh-Leez !

Jackson and Sharpton may be loud blowhard bores, but lets not confuse their goals (civil rights for all) versus the goals of Islamo-fascists (civil rights for none but Muslim males-preferably Muslim Arab males). Even when the Islamo-fascists were fighting corruption and power hoarding by the House of Saud, the Shah of Iran, Hosni Mubarak, etc., their penultimate goal was still living life under the brutal dictates of the most draconian versions of the Shariah.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:35 am

"Jackson and Sharpton may be loud blowhard bores, but lets not confuse their goals (civil rights for all) "

That is the funniest thing I have read all day.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:39 am

but lets not confuse their goals (civil rights for all) versus the goals of Islamo-fascists

Correction - their goals WERE civil rights for all. Their goals now consist of elevating their own importance through fomenting racial tension.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:55 am

Both are shameless self-promoters, but which politician isn't? Jackson and Sharpton just have a more in your face attitude about it, and in this day and age of soft focus lenses, banal patriotic "all is well" trumpeting, and bad Yanni-esque music playing as politicians deliver soundbites, Jackson (if anyone understands him) and Sharpton stand out.

There still is institutionalized racism, and we still have a culture in which civil rights are seen by some as racial capitulation. Perhaps, Jackson et al have a more dire reading than most of us do, but imploring others to vote is hardly a sign of racial spooking.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:02 am

but imploring others to vote is hardly a sign of racial spooking

Imploring others to vote isn't a problem - heck, I wish more people would become politically active!

But let's take a look at Sharpton's quote:

"Everything we have fought for, marched for, gone to jail for - some died for - could be reversed if the wrong people are put on the Supreme Court."


He's clearly implying that failure to vote could ultimately result in the advances in civil rights being undone. That IS a blatant racial scare tactic, and it's shameful.

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:25 am

when we post stupid threads about messages not meant for us and things we don't understand...

And you actually believe this?!

I have the unique perspective of being a first generation crossbreed having spent equal time in both "worlds"; and I can still attest to you that the subject statements of this post are pure and unadulterated lunacy.



why don't you visit one and ask someone... they'll expain it or...

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:31 am

"He's clearly implying that failure to vote could ultimately result in the advances in civil rights being undone. That IS a blatant racial scare tactic, and it's shameful."

Well, pardon me for putting on my lawyer's hat and playing Devil's advocate, but recent judicial nominations may indeed be detrimental to some pretty basic civil rights. For instance, Justice Janice Rogers Brown went so far as to suggest that the landmark civil rights law, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which prohibits discrimination in employment) could be unconstitutional under the First Amendment. I must add that I do agree with some of her musings, so I won't damn her completely. However, while the left were all up in arms against her, she pales in comparison to some of the other right wing stalwarts waiting for their turn in Federal Courts.

So while Jackson may be overplaying the "we'll all be sharecroppers again without the right to vote" card, there are still avenues that could seriously undermine civil rights.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:29 am

Jaysit,

What it comes down to is that a lot of the people on this forum and in the country are pissed off that the republican party lost in 1964 for opposing civil rights and now they are mad that in this day and age black leaders are encouraging black people to vote. Because for some reason black voters seem to not support the republican party...

Now by distoring a speech that was given in tribute to the people and our nation that fought (well at least some people) for freedom, from the abolition of slavery to civil rights they are arguing that Sharpton and Jackson (who are now the same person) are scaring people into voting because a Bush appointed supreme court will re-instate Slavery!

Because as we all know the biggest issue for black people in the states is the re-instatement of slavery!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

This is not only a new low for the anti-civil rights people (its scary that they still exist) it is a new low for humanity.

Jackson is and was a great American leader and if they would take some time to listen to him and his views on civil rights and unity, of all people, they would be ashamed to even post this garbage about him. And even better they are trying to trash his name by using Sharpton quotes just because they were speaking in the same forum. Guess what people when two people speak at the same place at the same time it does not mean that they agree with each other. If you look closely at Sharpton and Jackson they differ on a lot of issues, for example this issue had to do with encouraging people to vote and they had completely different views on how to do this, Jackson was using the history of the minority fight for the right to vote and Sharpton used future supreme court appointments...they were not using the same arguement!












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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:57 am

"What it comes down to is that a lot of the people on this forum and in the country are pissed off that the republican party lost in 1964 for opposing civil rights"

If that's true then a lot of people on this forum are ill informed. "The House of Representatives passed the bill by 289 to 124, a vote in which 80% of the Republicans and 63% of the Democrats voted "yes"." "The Senate vote was 73 to 27, with 21 Democrats and only 6 Republicans voting "no"."

*It was a Democrat the fillibustered against the bill before a final vote.
*Repbulicans had brought up Civil RIghts bills in 1875, 1957, and 1960, all weakened by Democrat opposition.

Say what you will about Dems/Repubs now but at least get the history somewhat straight.
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:03 am

Maverick has it right.

Unfortunately, the GOP with the advent of Barry Goldwater and the Southern Strategy got taken over by the Dixie-crats who now seem to run it lock, stock, and barrel. The days of Milicent Fenwick and Jacob Javits and even the recent presence of Bill Weld are over.

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:26 pm

Maverick,

thanks for backing up my arguement-

The House of Representatives debated the bill for nine days and rejected nearly one hundred amendments designed to weaken the bill before passing H.R .7152 on February 10, 1964. Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill, 92 to 11. A bipartisan coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats was the key to the bill's success. This same arrangement would prove crucial later to the Senate's approval of the bill.

"*Repbulicans had brought up Civil RIghts bills in 1875, 1957, and 1960, all weakened by Democrat opposition."

As I said in my post everything changed in 1964 (1875,1957 and 1960 are all before 1964 in case you didnt know), when the two parties switched leaving many conservative southern democrats in a liberal party and tons of liberal northern republicans in a conservative party.

The best thing to look at is the state maps from 1956, 1960 and 1964 and you can clearly see the switch of the parties.

1956-

http://www.presidentelect.org/e1956.html

1960-

http://www.presidentelect.org/e1960.html

1964-

http://www.presidentelect.org/e1964.html



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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:38 pm

I didn't know the two of them were capable of thinking.
 
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:03 pm

7E7,

Yes, all humans are capable of thinking. Do you have anything else to add to that very intriguing insight?

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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:26 pm

Jackson, as usual, was demonstrating his extensive ignorance. When it was time to pick the cotton, EVERYBODY helped bring it in. It was backbreaking, tedious work, but everybody picked. The children, the parents, the slaves (if there were any), and the hired hands were all out in the fields. Only on the very richest of the rich plantations did only the slaves pick cotton. Once cotton is ready, it has to be picked quickly. Rain is not good when the bolls are fully opened.


Jackson is and was a great American leader and if they would take some time to listen to him and his views on civil rights and unity, of all people

Yeah right. I guess you don't live in hymie-town, do you?
 
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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:46 pm

"Yeah right. I guess you don't live in hymie-town, do you?"

DC, close enough, but he still has very strong support from all faiths including many of my Jewish friends who voted for him when he was running for senate in DC.

"Only on the very richest of the rich plantations did only the slaves pick cotton."

Umm so what's your point? I don't think he was saying anything about slaves being the only ones to pick cotton, but that since 98% of all black people in the south at the time were slaves its a pretty damn safe assumption to make that their ancestors were picking cotton.




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RE: What Are Sharpton And Jackson Thinking?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:19 am

"Maverick,

thanks for backing up my arguement-
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NUAir, you are categorically wrong. Here is what you said:

"a lot of the people on this forum and in the country are pissed off that the REPUBLICAN party lost in 1964 for OPPOSING civil rights"

And then you try to back track and say:

"A BIPARTISAN coalition of REPUBLICANS and northern Democrats was the KEY TO THE BILL'S SUCCESS."

Maybe you could help Kerry out with his campaign!
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