Qb001
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"They Just Shot Them One By One"

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:41 pm

In the press, around the world - that is, not in the US press - rumors and accounts of American atrocities in Iraq are often reported.

But this time it comes from one of the best American journalist, Seymour Hersh. He's the one who broke the Abu Ghraib tortures story.

What he has to say about the war in Iraq is scary and horrible, there is simply no other word for it.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/10/11_hersh.shtml
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commander_rabb
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:06 am

As I started to read the link of what Mr. Hersh said, I stopped suddenly when I saw Berkeley as the location.

"A Berkeley audience"

Most Americans know what that means.

A one big "NEXT".

 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:33 am

Where is Captoveur and his Obsession picture?
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:41 am

It´s just the sexually mistreated kid again that does the same to others when grown up...
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:48 am

Where is Captoveur and his Obsession picture?

He better be careful using it. I did once and another mod deleted it and told me that if I ever did it again I would be banned forever.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:09 am

I didn't realize Berkeley was an irrelevant area in the US.
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:20 am

Now you know Airplay.
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:32 am

I didn't realize Berkeley was an irrelevant area in the US.


Just to the silent majority who oppose biased reporting.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:38 am

"Now you know Airplay."

LOL, I thought everyone knew that.

"Just to the silent majority who oppose biased reporting."

AKA those who admire Mao, Stalin, Castro, and Guevarra, but HATE those cold blooded murderers like Bush, Blair, and Starbucks.

[Edited 2004-10-13 18:40:13]
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:40 am

Ahhh Berkley.

The land of the left wing.

Remember this is the same town that wouldn't let their fireman put US flags on their Fire Engines in October of 01.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:47 am

So the next time GWB gives a speech in New York City (or any of the "blue" states), I take it that you people will disregard his words?

Or if Seymour Hersh spoke at the University of Chicago (you know, that bastion of American economic conservatism - which I suppose doesn't matter to you people anymore because the GOP no longer stands for economic conservatism) or some dumbcluck Southern Fundie school then his words would get elevated to pearls of wisdom you'd all suck up?

Or is it just that any critique of GWB and his precious war, however valid, is ripe for ridicule and censorship?

Or maybe its just the stupidity, stupid?

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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:51 am

No, it is just that Berkley is infested with Stupid people, who border on communist thinking.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:59 am

"No, it is just that Berkley is infested with Stupid people, who border on communist thinking."

Perhaps some are part of the loony left. But Berkeley is also one of the best academic institutions in the country, if not the world. With some of the best thinkers and researchers in the world, let alone some of the highest admission standards. Can't say that about Ol' Miss or the University of Alabama now, can you?

In any case, since when did the audience shoot the message or the messenger?

Or does the loony right just react in a pavlovian manner and foam at the mouth when Berkeley is mentioned. I thought that honor had been appropriated by Hillary?
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:01 am

Berkley is promoted that way by the left.

There are much better schools.

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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:05 am

What's the point of arguing this.

You right wingers will never believe anything any leftwing media says, and consider the extreme right wing media to be "fair and balanced"

and

You left wingers will never believe anything any rightwing media says, and consider the extreme left wing media to be "fair and balanced"

here's a new flash.
NO MEDIA IS FAIR AND BALANCED! NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY CLAIM TO BE THEY'LL ALWAYS FAVOR ONE OVER THE OTHER!

Now leave some of that whinning for the debates.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:10 am

"Berkley is promoted that way by the left.
There are much better schools."

LOL.

Oh yes, I'm sure the left influences those mighty standards of science, engineering, math and economics that Berkeley constantly bests. MIT, Harvard and Stanford are perhaps UCB's only competitors.

But then I doubt you'd make it into any of those, either. You know, if conservative "thought" were of such a fine caliber, then Ol Miss and Liberty University would be at the forefront of human achievement.

Alas.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:15 am

This isn't even an issue of right and left.

Its an issue of the VENUE where a speaker spoke. Since when did a VENUE negate a speaker's message. As I pointed above, if those standards were adopted, then every speech that Dubya made in that bastion of blueness - Manhattan - should be discredited.

Jeez, I watched Christopher Hitchens speak at Berkeley last year, and his pro-war stance while unpopular was contested and his audience was both combative and very well-informed. For those of you rightwingers who are clueless, Hitchens is the acerbic and very sharp writer who parted ways with the Nation on the issue of the Iraq War.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:09 am

Damn, so real war is not like it's depicted in 50's war movies?  Confused

Oh well, we'll always have Santa Claus.


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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:33 am

They just cut their heads off one by one.


Oh, sorry, that must have been justified because Mr. Hersh, the good people of Berkeley and our Canadian friends have been silent on the subject.

Sorry, but Seymour Hersh has exactly the same credibility as Rush Limbaugh.


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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:38 am

Wow. L188 is still worried about the communists! Sorry to go off topic, but that's priceless.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:00 am

No, it is just that Berkley is infested with Stupid people, who border on communist thinking.

Spoken like a graduate of good ol' Joseph McCarthy U.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:33 am

"Wow. L188 is still worried about the communists! Sorry to go off topic, but that's priceless"

- Actually, I think Bush might be announcing Cuba's intention of developing WMD's during tonights debate. Stay tuned!

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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:45 am

Wow, the level of denial is breathtaking!

Guys, if you can´t stand to find out what´s going on, why even bother throwing up a smoke screen like that?

These findings are not really new for the most part; And you´ll probably see more of it. It´s the consequence of a propaganda-driven war and in no way really untypical for that.
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:29 pm

They just cut their heads off one by one.

Oh, sorry, that must have been justified because Mr. Hersh, the good people of Berkeley and our Canadian friends have been silent on the subject.


Well, I just saw GWB, a few minutes ago, talked about bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq. Those whose role it is to bring this plan about have no business killing innocents; it defeats their purpose. If you don't see that, please consult an optometrist.

But here we have an excellent example of the right-wingers killing the messenger, rather than to address the issue: are some US troops commiting atrocities in Iraq, yes or no? Unfortunatelly, it seems that the answer is yes.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:50 pm

Yes the speaker in Berkley is part of a propaganda war against the United States, One that I note you seem all too happy to take part in unfortunately.
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L-188

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:56 pm

L-188: Yes the speaker in Berkley is part of a propaganda war against the United States, One that I note you seem all too happy to take part in unfortunately.

So you state that the reports simply can´t be true under any circumstances, if I understand you and the others correctly. Despite all the other things you claimed before couldn´t be true which still turned out to be fact.

Doesn´t look too promising if that´s all you have to offer.  Insane
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:06 pm

Since when did a VENUE negate a speaker's message.


HAHAHAHAHA!

When it's BERKELEY.

NEXT!
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:31 am

Interesting (albeit not surprising) read. Thanks for posting, Qb001.

The fact that people are citing the location as a reason to attack the credibility of the contents shows that there are people around who are in serious denial -- and don't have enough self-dignity and honorable discretion to refrain from even trying to offer such a pathetic response. That's almost as sad as the war itself.
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:26 am

RT514 you are obviously not keeping up with the news.

It's no longer a 'war' it's now a 'policy initiative' ... which is pefectly fine.
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:17 pm

It's no longer a 'war' it's now a 'policy initiative' ... which is pefectly fine.


LOL!  Laugh out loud

Thanks for the correction, Pacificjourney.
 
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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:19 pm

I had been avoiding this thread because I knew it would be stupid, but KROC is right, this one has it coming


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RE: "They Just Shot Them One By One"

Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:56 pm

I don't understand why anyone would be in such denial about the possibility of atrocities being committed by troops. In such a situation it's always likely to occur, US troops are no more above it than anyone else. True, trained, professional soldiers might be expected to behave better than a ragged conscript army or untrained militia, but it'll still happen. The key to any nation's beliefs and value systems is how that nation responds to it, whether to cover it up, or investigate and bring any perpetrators to justice. That doens't necessarily mean that this specific example is right or wrong, but to deny the likelihood of it occurring is foolish.
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