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No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:18 pm

Article:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/13/nader.pennsylvania.ap/index.html

Ralph Nader will not appear on the ballot in Pennsylvania as decided by a state court. Interestingly, some of Nader's signatures included names like Mickey Mouse, Fred Flintstone, and John Kerry.

Nader will appear on the ballot in 34 states, including the key states of Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.



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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:23 pm

And that's a plus for Kerry. Having him off in Ohio and Pennsylvania only helps his chances in both states.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:32 pm

I hope people can still write him in.
There really should be more parties in the US.
Why is it that we haven't had a decent third party candidate since Roosevelt on the Bull Moose party (24% of popular vote) lost to Wilson(54% of popular vote) in 1912. An election in which the forth party candidate, the Socialist Eugene Debs got nearly 1 million votes for approximately six percent of the popular vote.
 
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:44 pm

Yet another state where Democrats successfully sued to disenfranchise voters.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:46 pm

B757300, you are absolutely something. I think that space craft that I mentioned earlier got lost looking for you.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:48 pm

Too bad the people of those states will not have the ability to choose who they want to vote for.

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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:48 pm

Yet another state where Democrats successfully sued to disenfranchise voters.

And certainly it was the evil Democrats who signed 'Mickey Mouse' and 'Fred Flintstone' on Nader's ballot.  Insane

Too bad the people of those states will not have the ability to choose who they want to vote for.

If a voter wants him so bad, they should write him in.



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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:49 pm

Jessman,

John B. Anderson garnered 6.6% of the popular vote in 1980. That was overshadowed by Reagan's landslide over Carter.

H. Ross Perot garnered 18.7% of the popular vote in 1992. If the election had been based on popular vote alone, that would have been the decisive factor in Clinton's election.

Of course many people still view Ralph Nader as the spoiler of the potential Gore victory in 2000.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:51 pm

"B757300, you are absolutely something. I think that space craft that I mentioned earlier got lost looking for you."

You have to admit the Democrats want Nader out of this race and will do everything they can to make sure he does not take votes away from Kerry. Conversely the Republicans want Nader in the race for precisely that reason.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:18 am

How come Nader couldn't get the required 21,000 signatures out right?

Mikey Mouse and Fred Flinstone wouldn't have been a factor because there would have been enough legitamate signatures.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:40 am

Petitions for Nadar have been subject to many problems. Too many of the names required have not been verifyable with voter registration authorites. There was clear support for petition signings for Nadar by a few Republicans, hopefully to pull votes from Kerry. If a person didn't get enough valid signatures on nomination petitions to qualify on the ballot, then that's the law. Generally a canidate has to get a fixed number or percentage of petion signatures of registered voters in a state or percentages in each county or legisgative district. Usually a petition canidate will get well over the required limits to cover for invalid signatures. Probably here there quanity of invalid signatures brought the requires signature numbers below the states' requirement. I agree it is too bad we don't have a viable 3rd party canidate or at least one whom can spark ideas, later adopted by one of the Dem. or Rep. canidates (like Ross Perot as to the Deficit issue, later adopted by Clinton). On the other hand, without Nader on the ballot to be used as a protest vote, maybe a truer vote as to Bush and Kerry will be the result, especially as this is a key battleground state.
 
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:49 am

Third party ideas my @ss!

If these Greens, Reform, Libertarians etc were so serious about there cause, why not put there efforts in to changing the constitution?
The top vote getter is the winner regardless if the winner gets 75% or even 15%. The top vote getter is the winner.
Why aren't the lobbying for proportional representation or a national runoff?

Third parties only divide and tip the election in favor of the candidate that they really don't like.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:09 am

What ever happened to true democracy? Why should ANYONE be banned from a ballot? What about the residents of the 16 states that can't vote for Nader that want to?

So much for US democracy.  Yeah sure
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:11 am

...and what about those that want the Communist Party on there state ballot?

What if I wanted to run for President?
Should I just be able to show up at the department of elections and have my name put on the ballot without any supporters?
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:52 am

"Third parties only divide and tip the election in favor of the candidate that they really don't like."

C'mon that's a silly argument. SECOND parties only divide and tip the election in favor of the candidate that they really don't like...it's the WHOLE POINT of multiple parties.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:59 am

MaverickM11:
You really aren't smart.  Insane

Spend sometime doing a search of election results of past elections and you will see how 3rd. parties tilt elections to the winner with less than 50% of the vote.
It's not my job to educate you on this.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:33 am

"MaverickM11:
You really aren't smart.
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Do you really have to be the standard Airliners.net asshole? That's unnecessary.

The whole point of a second party is to provide an alternative, and take votes from, the first party. A third party provides an alternative for the first two, and so on. Until now voting for that 3rd party candidate means tilting the election towards your less favorite of the two main candidates. But to make the argument that a third candidate is the "spoiler" is silly. Democrats "spoil" the elections for Republicans and vice versa; it just so happens that Nader will spoil it for the Democrats just as a conservative third party would spoil it for the Republicans.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:45 am

MaverickM11:
You couldn't have possibly spend enough time to see past election results or learn anything.
Back to the drawing board kid.

Word of advice, pay attention in your government/civics class as well as U.S. History.
You could could be an asset in discussions here as a result.
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RE: No Nader In Pennsylvania

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:21 pm

The fact is Superfly is that the founding fathers never intended or envisioned the current two party system. They pictured several parties having to form ruling coalitions.

And the fact that these 3rd parties down get invites to debates or ballot placements in my mind goes against the prinicples this country was founded on.
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