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Michael Moore Today

Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:49 pm

Well, USC (university of southern california) paid the bastard $50,000 to show up at USC and give a speech.

About 7000 people (average estimate) showed up to see him talk.

I did not realize how much this guy hates President Bush. Yes I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 and yes obviously he makes fun of Bush but tonight he was just going crazy on the guy!

He showed us about a dozen 30 second videos called "Vote for Bush"

One of them goes as follows:

"Senator Kerry used to have long hair

*shows picture of Kerry in the 1970s*.

Now he has short hair

*shows a picture of him now*

There is only one word for this:

FLIP-FLOPPER!

Vote Bush *shows american flag upside down*"

and then another one that I happen to remember...something to do with this guy being Kerry's number one supporter. The guy has only one arm and no legs and michael moore was playing on it by saying "kerry's supporter is this guy...he lost one arm and both legs in combat. if he really loved his country, he would have given his remaining arm. is this the kind of person you want in washington?"

I think Michael Moore is a great film maker, but the reason that I don't like him is as follows.

Even if I had an idiot for my president, I am a believer in the 'my country, right or wrong' attitude and I have no respect for someone like him that goes around proclaiming the world that my country has a complete halfwit for a president.

but just thought i'd share the fact that i have seen the guy in person now!
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:07 am

Michael Moore is very anti-American, even towards the liberals. What's funny, is he enjoys the freedoms and the rights that give him the ability to speak so fragrantly about politics and say the things about the United States. Seriously, if the man really hates it here so much, go somewhere else. But in all honesty, I don't really believe he truly feels the way he does about the US. I think he is just using shock factor and propaganda to get people to watch his films. Bowling for Columbine was pretty good, but the 9/11 movie was SOOOO over the edge. I turned it off half-way through and put in "Soul Plane" instead LOL.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:13 am

Michael Moore is very anti-American

Is it possible to be critical of Bush without being called "anti-American"?
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:19 am

Is it possible to be critical of Bush without being called "anti-American"?

It is. But if you read that opening sentence of UAL747, he included that he is overtly harsh on Democrats too. I tend to agree with some of that. I am a Kerry supporter but I'm not too crazy about Moore. To me the guy looks like he needs one of Captoveur's Obsession perfumes.
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:35 am

Qb001,

No, I'm not saying he's anti-american because of his Bush bashing. Quite the contrary. If you study his films, he basically finds EVERYTHING in America wrong, and has some weird affection for Canada. Dunno. Like I said, he's using shock value, and baseless propaganda for his own agenda, which is to make money. These movies of his are so crazy, they draw people in to see what he is going to say next. Hell, I wanted to see his movie so badly, when they were out of it on DVD at Blockbuster, I went and bought a VHS Player just so I could see it. It's anti-government, anti-American, and anti-American people at it's best/worst.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:39 am

The admiration a country deserves is directly proportional to its ability to live with its most acerbic critics.

It was once a prime reason to admire the USA.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:41 am

Look, I think Michael Moore often goes too far, and then he ends up working against himself, but...

AirxLiban: Even if I had an idiot for my president, I am a believer in the 'my country, right or wrong' attitude and I have no respect for someone like him that goes around proclaiming the world that my country has a complete halfwit for a president.

Nothing personal, but can anyone explain what possible justification there is for "My country right or wrong"? To me it has always seemed the worst possible slogan and idea. Along with its variants--"My religion right or wrong," "my family right or wrong," etc.--it has probably been the most descructive idea in human history.

The "wrong" part of the expression says it all. Why should allegiance to any group override our morals?

Furthermore, the same people in America right now who are most ra-ra about how you should never question your country or leader (i.e. US/Bush) are also the most critical of people in the Middle East or Chechnya who are perpetrating suicide attacks. (They call these people animals, lesser forms of life, etc.) But it seems to me these ultra-patriotic Americans ARE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE whose "My leader/cause right or wrong" mentality, had they been born in Iraq or Palestine, or wherever else, would make them first in line to strap on some dynamite and blow themselves up in a public place if the leader they happened to follow encouraged it.

Just my two cents, but this mentality has a lot to do with perpetuating cycles of violence and wars in general, whether it is family honor, religious honor, national honor, etc. Let's start focusing on making our country "right," not on following even if it is wrong!

People like Michael Moore (whether or not you agree with him, and sometimes I don't) show the rest of the world that not all Americans are sheep following Bush, that millions of us have taken to the streets to protest the war in Iraq, etc. How is that bad for our image? It shows that we can have morals and think for ourselves.
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:44 am

BTW, I recommend the South Beach diet for Michael Moore. Come on man, nobody wants to look at your fat ass for 2 hours. And buddy, it's called a Bic Razor. Shave that pubic hair off your face.

Maybe he should do a film on America's tendancy to obesity. Then he would have to spend so much money on finding people to harass.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:30 am

Michael Moore single handedly made McDonald's a Fortune 500 company  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:16 am

I think you have to be non-american to understand how much MM loves his country. Most people in Europe doesn't like his movie because they find them to be pro-american.

However, you were lucky to be able to attend one of those "Salcker Uprising tour" meeting, and I envy you.

Politics is about sharing your toughts and your points of view. Republicans and GWB have all the medias relaying their lies, and much more campain money. If Kerry victory have to be won by getting to each american door and in each american university, let's Michael Moore do so. He has the right to fight for his country, in order to make it a better and safer place without W.

And if all you guys have agains't him is to tell him to make a diet, well, he won't have lost his time during those months, but you'll have only posting this on this forum...
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:33 am

Even if I had an idiot for my president, I am a believer in the 'my country, right or wrong' attitude and I have no respect for someone like him that goes around proclaiming the world that my country has a complete halfwit for a president.

Nothing personal, but can anyone explain what possible justification there is for "My country right or wrong"? To me it has always seemed the worst possible slogan and idea. Along with its variants--"My religion right or wrong," "my family right or wrong," etc.--it has probably been the most descructive idea in human history.

What I mean is that regardless of how inept one's president is, as long as the government is not corrupt it is disrespectful to go out of one's way to expose the your dirty laundry.

I don't mean to say that you should back your country, family, religion whatever for the wrong reasons, I just feel as though going to such extremes to bash it is not constructive.
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:34 am

I really think he is just pointing things out so they can be improved. I really don't think he hates his country.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:45 am

If I made that kind of money "pointing things out" I would probably end up going nuts too.  Big grin


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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:16 am

Michael Moore single handedly made McDonald's a Fortune 500 company


Another shameful right wing lie.




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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:20 am


I think he might become this decade's "Pet Rock"
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:14 pm

Whitehatter:

He eats at Burger King. Then 15 minutes later you'll find him at McDonalds. Then Wendy's, White Castle, Sonic and Fatburger. All before noon.
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:27 pm

Michael Moore is on one long orgasm against Bush and that's pretty obvious. But like all orgasms, it will come to an end very quickly.

Then what will Moore have? A clump of slightly wet kleenex in his hand?

Probably.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:31 pm

Michael Moore ROCKS!!!! Literally...but he's also one cool fat dude!

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:35 pm

It was once a prime reason to admire the USA.

Once?

Shows you what you know about our freedom of expression and what our country is really all about.

Hope you understand...some day.

 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:44 pm

Let Mr Moore make moore films about the US Govt. and let us ROTFLOAO in the rest of the world...............

Way to go Michael  Big thumbs up

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:02 pm

Shows you what you know about our freedom of expression and what our country is really all about.

To be honest, political-wise, there isn't that much useful freedom of expression anymore. Bush has said that we are free to say what we think, but that it won't matter one bit in the decisions he makes. It kind of ruins the whole "the people are involved in the government" thing. It's more than just electing our leaders. It's having our leaders actually care what we think. It's nice to be able to speak our mind about it, but even en masse, what can we do except vote them out in a few years, after which they go on to become millionaire consultants or lobbyists? They don't really have much to lose. Kind of ruins the fun of having those freedoms.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:24 am

In regards to the initial post, didn't Moore say that "Americans are the stupidest people I've ever met"? I guess he proves his point with his political sports-entertainment in America.  Insane
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:36 am

Another shameful right wing lie.

Michael Moore eats at Burger King. If you read his books you would know that...


You do have a sense of humour, right? Surely you're able to laugh at the people you admire or respect - as well as the ones you don't - without getting this defensive about it....
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:46 am

He is fat, and manipulative, the stupidity police should arrest him.

"he distorts facts"

There were no allies for the war on Iraq, he just left out England, Poland, Spain, Australia, South Korea, some asian country and I think Japan.

wasnt there a post some where that said, in iraq didnt comply with un sanctions then france had like 10000 troops ready for deployment.

So Michael go tell fibs some where else.

Secondly how he plays on peoples conscience is terrible.

I lost my son in Iraq, didnt your husband, two elder sons and your ftaher and grand father do their naional service? Um sorry to tell you but in wars people die, and any one who joined the armed forces after 9/11 should have been able to see war was inevitable, and if you couldnt then you shouldnt be in the gene pool.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:33 am

You do have a sense of humour, right? Surely you're able to laugh at the people you admire or respect - as well as the ones you don't - without getting this defensive about it....

well you obviously don't...
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Imonti

Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:21 am

Imonti: and any one who joined the armed forces after 9/11 should have been able to see war was inevitable, and if you couldnt then you shouldnt be in the gene pool.

I hope you don´t procreate if you still haven´t recognized that the Iraq war was everything but "inevitable" due to its complete lack of a link to 9-11 (besides the complete absence of WMDs or of the much-promoted "threat").  Insane
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:58 am

At times, Michael Moore can be brillant, yet at many times, a complete ass. His attacks upon corporate greed in 'Roger and Me', American politics in 'Canadian Bacon' (where a US president starts a war with Canada to distract for his own problems), our conflicted attitudes as to guns (Bowling for Columbine), and most recently with his anti-Bush "Farenheit 911" were at times on their marks, but have trademark over the top and attention getting scenes upon serious issues. His next docu/movie is about our sick health care system in the USA, most recently illustrated by the flu vaccine shortage. His TV shows took on outsourcing, jobs going to Mexico and Canada, tobacco companies, racism, government burracarcy with some times silly and twisted skits and beheavors, but got attention to his view point. MM is getting some protests by those more consertive as to his college appearances. Let's face it, rarely do those with conservtive views get invited to speak at many colleges in the USA, nor is any balancing presentations done to an impressionable audience. But thank God that people like MM are around to keep some of the politicans awake.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:02 am

Set aside the blatant lies Moore tells.

http://www.moorewatch.com/

He is unAmerican. No not just because he is a Liberal. Because he is a wacko. He can't put one sentance togeher that anywhere resembles the truth about this country. I strongly recomend the book Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man for anyone that believes the gospell according to Mike.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:13 am

Klaus who is to say I was refering to Iraq, people did die in Afghanistan and still are. Yet was there not a feeling in the air that there would be more than afghanistan? There certainly was within my circles.

However that isnt the point.

I think Michael Moore, has used the current situation to make money and that is it.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:20 am

I was hoping to write a book entitled

"stupid fat man"

but then i realised why waste my effort on this retard.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:24 am

TYS- So if you are liberal, you are Un-American? Jesus dude, talk about distorted views, look at your own. If you are critical of the government, you aren't un-American. As much as you would like every one to follow "fearless leader" Bush, its not going to happen. We aren't under a dictatorship, but people like you seem to make it seem like it. Bush, whom you seem to support, tells lies as well, but you aren't out calling him un-American. Seems like a double standard to me.

Michael Moore kicks ass

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:50 am

THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. Liberal does not mean un-American, read what I wrote again and this time try to put bias aside. I wonder have you even questioned Mr. Moore's facts on anything? He is a blatant liar, in interviews given after Roger and Me he was caught in several distortions of truth in the movie by liberals.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:04 am

here is a quote from your post

TYS: "He is unAmerican. No not just because he is a Liberal."

JUST being the key word here. So, you are saying liberals are unamerican in your post. That is what you said.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:02 am

Three words here OUT OF CONTEXT, the just refers to that not being the reason not just because he is I then went on to give the reason he is un American and that reason had nothing to do with his political persuasion.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:13 am

Sorry, Just in there is like saying "I hate that bastard Joe, no not just because he cheated me out of some cash, but he's been beating his wife."

So, is Moore un-american because he doesn't like what fuhrer Bush stands for?

Are you un-american because your grammar and spelling is terrible?

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Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:57 am

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:10 am

BR715

Your first cartoon just proves that people who scream rabidly at Moore for being un-American are un-American themselves.

Fredom of speech is enshrined in your constitution. Denouncing someone who has a platform of views, and wishes to express them, as being un-American is a violation of the very principles upon which the USA is supposedly based. Even the Republican President, Teddy Roosevelt, stated that criticism of the administration is a patriotic duty if the person doing the crititism feels they have a valid reason to do so.

Demonising and misrepresenting that person, rather than engaging them on a point-by-point debate, is conduct worthy more of the Nazis or any other tinpot dictatorship. In fact Moore is probably more patriotic than most right wing blowhards who sloganise and will not get into the meat of the issue.

On that basis, by reposting that cartoon, you are therefore un-American.

Or are you?
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:46 am

Call me Un-American if you will, but I call this place home. I was born here, and I exercise my rights to the best of my abilities. If I dislike the current president, that is my choice, and my right. I AM an American. But does that mean that since I'm an American I can do what I want?.. Hell no!, what it does mean is that I can post a cartoon if I want, Remember. I am Anti-Bush, and I think someone needs to whack him from the white house. Personally, I'm sure he is a great guy, but when it comes to running a country, he does as bad as I'd probably do (which is why I would never even bother running).
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:38 pm

What is unamerican about called Moore what his is.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:45 am

"Michael Moore eats at Burger King. If you read his books you would know that..."

That is because he got embarassed watching the numbers change on the sign at McDonalds while he was eating.

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:50 am

Goddamnit, I agree with UAL747. Someone get me a rope.  Big grin

The funny thing about Michael Moore's "little" problem with obesity is that he's now making a movie called "Sicko" about the pitfalls of America's healthcare. If he had pulled himself away from his Whopper for more than two seconds, he would've realized that obesity related health problems costs the US taxpayer almost as much as tobacco!
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:20 am

Most people in Europe doesn't like his movie because they find them to be pro-american.

NceBoy: If Europeans truly believe this than a) Cannes was a hoax and b) you need to see the movie in it's English version or get more accurate translations into your languages. I'm not saying Michael Moore is anti-American but I do believe that he doesn't speak very favourably of the US. I think you should see the English version before making judgements like that. Otherwise, if Europeans truly think that Michael Moore films are "pro-American", then that signals troubles for the future of the US-Europe alliance.

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Imonti

Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:59 am

Imonti: Klaus who is to say I was refering to Iraq, people did die in Afghanistan and still are. Yet was there not a feeling in the air that there would be more than afghanistan? There certainly was within my circles.

It´s the Iraq war that is at issue. And you were again trying to make that connection between 9-11 and Iraq which does not exist. That there are many americans who were duped into believing that (up to 70% at one point) can only be seen as tragic.


Imonti: However that isnt the point.

That is exactly the point! If it weren´t for the detour to Iraq, the world community would still be united and there would be very little dissent.


Imonti: I think Michael Moore, has used the current situation to make money and that is it.

If he hadn´t been handed his topic on a silver platter by the Bush administration, he´d be a lot poorer than he is by now.  Insane

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RE: Michael Moore Today

Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:33 am

He'd make so much more of a point were he to be more subtle! Vague accusations linking Bush to the Saudi royal family are nothing but sensationalist bullshit. Calling Bush an idiot doesn't win votes.

Were he to make a political satire, where he outwardly supported Bush, then he'd convince a lot more people to vote Kerry.
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:47 am

Whatever one might think of him, or his politics, you can't deny people do actually want to see what he makes. How else would his movies, especially Fahrenheit, make the pots of money it has?

It's better to not complain about his work. If you don't want to see it, don't buy the ticket. If you want to see what the fuss is all about, go see the damn movie and then form your own opinion. What's the matter with that?
 
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RE: Michael Moore Today

Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:58 am

I really think he is just pointing things out so they can be improved.

Unless he suggests a solution, isn't he still just part of the problem?

Michael Moore isn't the least bit interested in improving anything. He wants to hype things up (real or perceived) in the interest of making money for himself.
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