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Yo Brits... Here's What We Think Of You!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:59 am

 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:04 pm

Whether some one here want to admit it or not, some of that garbage you read from "proud Americans" is all too common in the U.S. post-9/11. This arrogant, who-gives-a-frack-about-the-rest-of-the-world attitude has become deeply ingrained in many Americans, and you can guess where I think they get their cue from for it.

And it's driven by paranoia and fear.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:27 pm

Let me start by saying that the UK is our closest ally and without equal amongst our friends. We have stood together in both war and peace since the beginning of the last century and I hope this lasts forever. There is no more dedicated or industrious people in the world, and I am proud to have served with them and known them.

That said, they would not appreciate our meddling in their politics, and I certainly do not want outside forces meddling with ours. I believe the effort will not resonate well with our voters, and I see it backfiring.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:28 pm

I am sure the Guardian only picked the "best" letters to publish.

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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:32 pm

If you ahd bothered to read it, L-188, you'd have noticed that they included a few that supported what the Guardian was doing.

Unfortunately, many could be entitled "The Ugly American".
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:34 pm

Actually I was aware of that.

But that doesn't take away from the fact they probably chose the worst of the negative ones, and the most reasonable of the pro ones to publish.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:40 pm

EEp.


I've decided to move to Ohio.


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RE: Yo Brits... Here's What We Think Of You!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:45 pm

tell us L-188,
which one of those letters is yours??? My bet goes for either this one:

Who in the hell do you think you are??? Well, I'll tell you, you're a bunch of meddling socialist pricks! Stay the hell out of our country and politics. And another thing, John Kerry is a worthless lying sack of crap so it doesn't surprise me that a socialist rag like yours would back him. I hope your cynical ploy blows up in your cowardly faces, you bunch of mealy-mouthed morons!


or this one:

KEEP YOUR FUCKIN' LIMEY HANDS OFF OUR ELECTION. HEY, SHITHEADS, REMEMBER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR? REMEMBER THE WAR OF 1812? WE DIDN'T WANT YOU, OR YOUR POLITICS HERE, THAT'S WHY WE KICKED YOUR ASSES OUT. FOR THE 47% OF YOU WHO DON'T WANT PRESIDENT BUSH, I SAY THIS ... TOUGH SHIT!
PROUD AMERICAN VOTING FOR BUSH!




...and these two gotta be from our very own Commander "terror Nutsalert" Rabb

Please be advised that I have forwarded this to the CIA and FBI.
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Consider this: stay out of American electoral politics. Unless you would like a company of US Navy Seals - Republican to a man - to descend upon the offices of the Guardian, bag the lot of you, and transport you to Guantanamo Bay, where you can share quarters with some lonely Taliban shepherd boys.
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RE: Yo Brits... Here's What We Think Of You!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:46 pm

Nope, sorry, don't write letters.

I just stockpile ammo for the day that civilization ends and we revert to a more feral state
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:57 pm

I just stockpile ammo for the day that civilization ends...

Don't you have enough left over since Y2K???  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:01 pm

Whether some one here want to admit it or not, some of that garbage you read from "proud Americans" is all too common in the U.S. post-9/11. This arrogant, who-gives-a-frack-about-the-rest-of-the-world attitude has become deeply ingrained in many Americans, and you can guess where I think they get their cue from for it.

And it's driven by paranoia and fear.


BRAVO, Alpha!!! well said!

Here's the mentality of about half of all Americans: God bless America - and F### everyone else!
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:03 pm

The practice burns it up.

Besides it's like gas in a gas tank, you never want to mix the new and the old  Laugh out loud
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:39 pm

L410, I think that Rabb and Boeing7E7 each wrote one of those.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:56 pm

I'm glad to see the values that America was founded on--that of a rebel country--still exist today.

Whether you like it or not, and I do, this is the country our ancestors founded and made into the greatest country on the face of this Earth. I, for one, will never, ever give it up, especially not to the likes of terrorist appeasing Europeans.

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Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:22 pm

Wow, England is a terrorist appeasing European country? There goes another COTW member.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:24 pm

My comment was not meant for England.......It was meant more towards France and Belgium and a good chunk of the continent.

And COTW?
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RE: Yo Brits... Here's What We Think Of You!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:27 pm

Very cute sweetie. But, pray tell, what on earth America being "made into the greatest country" and Europeans being "terrorist appeasing" have to do with the Guardian?
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:32 pm

My comment was not meant for England.......It was meant more towards France and Belgium and a good chunk of the continent.

The Guardian is an English paper.

And COTW?

Coalition Of The Willing.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:37 pm

Very cute sweetie. But, pray tell, what on earth America being "made into the greatest country" and Europeans being "terrorist appeasing" have to do with the Guardian?

Long time, no speak honey! You should drop me an e-mail sometime.....
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:48 pm

I'll do that... But you still didn't answer my question...
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:57 pm

Being honest, if an American paper did something similar with the British General Election, I feel fairly sure that there would have been a number of e-mail responses along the lines of "Who do you think you are, you fat, stupid arrogant Yanks? Go back and sort your own elections out, this isn't Nicaragua you know..." etc etc etc.

The US doesn't have a monopoly on this kind of thing, and I'm absolutely certain that some British people would respond just as strongly.

Besides, if you make observations about other countries politics and elections, then the people of that country have a right to ignore or insult you in return. Seems fair enough to me.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:02 pm

"The Guardian is an English paper"

They also sell it in Scotland, Wales and I suppose N.Ireland so perhaps you could call The Guardian a British paper  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Yo Brits... Here's What We Think Of You!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:12 pm

They also sell it in Scotland, Wales and I suppose N.Ireland so perhaps you could call The Guardian a British paper

Forgive me ye British, for I have indeed comitted the American sin, referring to the UK as England. Embarrassment I promise not to do it again.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:14 pm

I wouldn't worry, Mir. To all intents and purposes the UK is England. The others are just tacked on for show.  Big grin  Laugh out loud
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:30 pm

I wouldn't worry, Mir. To all intents and purposes the UK is England. The others are just tacked on for show.

I would suggest that perhaps Scotland, Wales, and Nthn Ireland secede - but Yyz717 would vomit with rage and give himself a brain heamorrhage.

So ... I think that Scotland, Wales, and Nthrn Ireland sould secede.

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Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:31 pm

"..and you can guess where I think they get their cue from for it."


Who gives a rat's ass where you think they get their cue from. What's the matter, forget how to spell BUSH? LOL.... I didn't, and am glad our president does not feel the need to get permission from anyone to do what needs to be done. "Fu*k the rest? No, but take care of #1 first.

A lot of "arm chair generals", and "feel good" liberals like yourself are easily swayed by Kerry, and his love of getting everyone's opinion and blessing before doing what needs to be done. It gives you a warm fuzzy doesn't it?

Hell, you probably ask your wife before spending $50 bucks, don't you? What a pity.
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:39 pm

Banco, I dont know what your moaning about...Essex or whereever your from is virtually France anyway! You frog!  Laugh out loud
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:46 pm

Essex?  Wow! Cheeky git! I have neither an XR3i nor a shell suit.  Big grin Sussex, I'll have you know, where we're all genteel and civilised.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:55 pm

Essex...Sussex, all the same place  Wink/being sarcastic
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:27 pm

Frankly, if I were American I would feel offended by that campaign.
"Who do you think you are", appears to be an appropriate response.
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:40 pm

NoUFO, it's quite benign, if you think about it. It's not as if Tony Blair or the Queen said something to similar effect. The one person I can think of who did try to influence voters was George Bush, when he "asked" the Australians to vote for John Howard, because not doing so would lead to some near-death disaster or something just as horrific.
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:51 pm

Hey GKirk. Wales and scotland, it's all England isn't it?  Big grin Big grin

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Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:54 pm

Thom@s, just as Norway is part of Sweden  Wink/being sarcastic
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:58 pm

Sir, I object to your statement...  Smile Norway is well known as the capital of Sweden to some... Big grin

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Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:08 pm

My comment was not meant for England.......It was meant more towards France and Belgium and a good chunk of the continent.

Belgium?.... shit ,thus this mean we are now in the axis of evil and therefore have to fear the wrath of the American Empire???
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:14 pm

Arniepie...you're as good as dead, can't you feel it coming?

But then, since you are a fan of Italian motorbikes according to your profile, it's a miracle you're still alive anyway!


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Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:27 pm

But then, since you are a fan of Italian motorbikes according to your profile, it's a miracle you're still alive anyway!

Now Andreas, you are walking dangerous grounds criticising Italian (Duke)-bikes....,what's next, are going to say that Italian cars aren't any good either?

 Wink/being sarcastic  Laugh out loud
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:33 pm

Italian cars...not that there are any that deserve the name car as in Mercedes, BMW, Audi!  Big grin Big grin

Ok, I give you Lamborghini, sort of cute actually, at least fast

Ferrari: Looking at the folks that actually drive around in Ferraris: Who wants to own one anyway???

Ferrari F1: Forget it: Build by Brits (which is miraculous, too Big grin), managed by a Frog and driven to imperial heights by a German (now THAT figures)  Smile
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:09 pm

My comment was not meant for England.......It was meant more towards France and Belgium and a good chunk of the continent.

Yes, those who DARE oppose us on anything. One should kiss the ass, not oppose, the greatest country on the face of the earth.

Unfortuantely, Rjpieces is the atypical "Ugly American". He wants everyone to bow to us; He wants them to just outright agree with us, even if it's not in their best interest; anyone who doesn't is a terror-lover, be they at home in abroad, even though that isn't the truth.

He is everything that makes this nation hated in the world. And the real ugly thing is, he thinks that's good for the US, and the opposite is true.
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RE: Yo Brits... Here's What We Think Of You!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:35 pm

Rjpeices

"terrorist appeasing Europeans" who are these then??, you can hardly say that France or Belgium are this, as they have democratically elected leaders who democratically decided not to join in the coalition forces, that does not make them terrorist appeasing whatsoever.

I seem to remember the good ol US supporting various dubious terrorist groups in Central America when it suited them, and turning a "blind eye" to those Americans oppenly supporting and financing the IRA.

No one can really support any type of terrorists, but as the saying goes "ones mans terrorist is the next ones freedom fighter" as has been proved by the ANC in South Africa, the Israelis fighting against as Brits in 1948 etc etc.

Just remember us British have probably experienced more terrorists attacks in our state than the rest of Europe and the States put together.

Also please remember that despite you Americans thinking that our Prime Minister is a good American, just remember he is the leader of our Labour Party, which is best described as being a Socialist Party (well it used to be!!!), My god yes, run by a bunch of liberal, left wingers, as you would describe us as, but still supporting you lot (although I don't know why) as part of the occupying forces in Iraq.

One questions for our American listeners is how comes out of a population of 150 million the best 2 guys you can find to be President are Bush and Kerry, surely you can do better then that.
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:42 pm

I still reckon this is one of the best wind-ups I've ever seen. Why else would the good old Grauniad see fit to print the replies (no doubt pissing themselves laughing) when it was pretty obvious what would happen.

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Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:42 pm

is how comes out of a population of 150 million

Actually, our population is closer to 300 million.
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:54 am

Personally, I probably would have been nice about it, but I would be annoyed if some random British citizen wrote to me to try to influence my vote. I have several British friends, and I have great respect for them as a nation. But a national election is just that, a national election. The word international isn't in there. I would probably never tell someone in another nation how to vote. I would consider that insulting and demeaning.

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Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:03 am

If this is not a wind up i for one will never travel to the us again,as the uk have supported the us in various areas, but some us citizens seem to forget that, as a brit i can honestly say i would no longer feel safe in the good ole US of A.
 
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:44 am

Ok, I´ve got my opinion about the presidential candidates, most regulars on this forum should know it by now.
I think the Guardian campaign was contraproductive.
If a total stranger would send me an email, telling me how to vote in a German election, I would be p*ssed off big time, especially if the email is written in a paternalistic way.

On the other hand, I was annoyed, when before the last German federal election President Bush refused to talk to members of the German elected government, even though the Iraq crisis was getting bigger and bigger, while at the same time publically inviting and supporting the opposition candidates (Merkel, Stoiber...).

Even though only Americans have a vote for their president and parliament, at least his foreign policies affect a lot of people around the world. If the Us would be small county like e.g. Luxemburg, nobody would care too much, but the only remaining superpower, which was turning more and more into a bully, enforcing it´s interests worldwide (and having the means to enforce them), without regard of other´s interests, makes the American elections a topic outside the US as well.

BTW, I´m not envious of American citizens, quite the contrary (working for a huge American company with many American coworkers and plenty of contacts and friends in the US) I think I´ve got a good impression of the good points and weaknesses of the US.

I just wish the US would become again a beacon of freedom and democracy as it was 50-60 years ago, instead of slowly turning into a kind of police state.

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Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:47 am

"especially not to the likes of terrorist appeasing Europeans."

Yeah right, when we were fighting the IRA and losing men, women and children on a regular basis, you lot were funding them. Remember NORAID???

 
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:47 am

The saddest part of all of this "yellow" journalism is that it is in fact having some luck driving a wedge between traditional and natural allies like the US and Europe. Just as media outlets like Fox are creating vast legions of ignorant Americans who believe we can just go it alone in the world, so are European media outlets like the Guardian attempting to do the same in the UK. Let's hope that knowledge and a keen understanding of history will prevail in the end. What Bush and his neocon morons do not want anyone to see are the stark learnings of recent history which clearly support the theory that only in alliance will our shared values prevail. At the same time we have a growing number of Europeans who believe that US resolve in foreing affairs or crises is dangerous and that the EU should follow its own course. Some examples that contradict these "parallel" positions:

WWI: strong alliance wins initially, lack of alliance leads to WWII (failure of League of Nations)

WWII: lack of a true alliance leads nearly to complete chaos, final alliance leads to ultimate victory

Korea: strong UN alliance leads to partial victory at least with the one side ultimately becoming a model of socio-economic and finally political success while the other starves itself to death.

now another patter begins to emerge...

Vietnam: US goes it alone and fails miserably.

Gulf War I: Again a true alliance shows its strength and gets the immediate results it seeks very quickly (funny how it's the father of the present President who understands the alliance thing while the son does not)

Somalia: US goes it alone and fails miserably

Rwanda: nobody gives a crap, failure guaranteed and proven

Yugoslavia: initial lack of alliance between the EU and the US yields disaster and genocide, eventual alliance between the two leads to success (in the military sense and hopefully soon full socio-economic success as well)

Afghanistan: full and complete alliance leads to the country's first democratically held elections with nearly full suffrage in its history just 2 years after the campaign began. History has yet to play itself out but the initial results are nothing short of miraculous.

Gulf War II: US thinks going it alone with a 90/10 alliance with only the UK and Australia as committed allies (and vast majorities in each country opposing their country's involvement) will lead to success. Today over 6000 US casualties and near chaos reigning in the streets of Iraq.

Iran: the EU leading this effort without any real or implied threat of military action will also lead to ultimate failure. Europe should know best that theocratic or autocratic regimes based on religious or political extremism do not respond to UN resolutions. Iran could well end up producing and distributing nuclear weapons and the EU would have neither the means nor the political willpower tp prevent this from happening.

Based on the preceeding examples our chance of success in Iraq is fairly slim. People on both sides need to heed the lessons of history whi och show nearly unanimous conclusions. When either side attempts to go it alone it ultimately fails because the effort lacks any measure of international agreement on the desired outcome. When both sides bury their heads in the sand things like Rwanda happen. My suggestion for what's it's worth is to inform yourself through every available source of informattion. If you just listen to Fox or you just read the Guardian you yourself will turn into an ignorant extremist who ignores the lessons of hsitory and thus repeats the mistakes.



 
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:51 am

Fristly, this campaign, was really in depth reporting on the election, meddling in an election is putting rather it strongly, it was more akin to pen pals or the communications that go with twinning towns in different nations.
That said, it was not a good idea.
(Never mind the US record of meddling in foreign elections!)

However, the paper has started to print abusive e-mails which are always from the US, sometimes as part of a piece by a columnist illustrating a point.
They've become a hate figure in the US, and probably quite enjoy it!

Never mind that they do often print opinion more supportive of UK Conservatives, Bush or the US in general, just the other day a piece about a level of abuse that an ex pat American gets in London was run, it was clearly a hatchet job, as it depicted a London that is not recognisable to those who live there, indeed some letters today from ex pat American's rubbishing it, saying how happy they are here.
It was obvious the piece was bunk, as it was taken from frontpagemag.com, hardly a bastion of resonable and fair reporting.

The letters page does also often have US contributers, often attacking, in more a reasonable fashion, a report or opinion, usually the letters page is not full of hate, ignorance and invective, it seems the've saved those for the piece in the link at the top of this thread.

I think most over here know full well if Blair had not gone into Iraq, we would have got all the abuse that France of Germany got, if not more.
 
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RE: Yo Brits... Here's What We Think Of You!

Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:57 am

It wasnt Europe that "lured" US into WW2, remember Pearl Harbor????????

What to expect from retarded colonial f-faces!  Laugh out loud

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Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:44 am

... we would have got all the abuse that France of Germany got ...

Quite a typo my dear GDB. Big grin
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