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Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:19 pm

What more can Dubya dream of, other then as a wannabe "leader of the free world" being endorsed by an ex-KGB agent president with dictatorial tendencies???
I bet Vladimir could share with George an idea or two how to deal with those pesky dissenting media.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/18/putin.iraq/index.html

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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:22 pm

The needs of Russia are taken differently by some people depending on whether they are acting for or against the US. WHen Russia was against our invasion the Euros thought he was ok....now that he seems to bewith us, they call him a dictator.

The reasons he has given for acting as he has, with the approval of the Duma, is the terrorist activities his country is enduring.

L410 Bush is not evil...thats going too far.
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:24 pm

Putin knows that Kerry would not support his positions and russia's operations in Chechnya.

Putin and the russian people understand how terrorism stings, something that most of the countries against the war on terror apparently have forgoten, or don't want to learn.
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:30 pm

Putin knows that Kerry would not support his positions and russia's operations in Chechnya.

I think you got that one right! By "operations" I believe you mean a decade long total war and genocide against Chechens as an etnic and their separatism, which spiraled into horrors of school/hospital/theater sieges.
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:31 pm

The reasons he has given for acting as he has, with the approval of the Duma, is the terrorist activities his country is enduring.

But that's hardly the whole story. It's a thinly-veiled attempt to gain a free hand at dealing with the Chechens. Watch Putin claim that if Bush can do it, why can't I? And watch Bush appeal for "restraint" in response.

Also, watch the friends of Bush here on ANet simply refuse to say how Putin's interfering in an "internal" matter.
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:35 pm

The Chechen extremists are the ones commiting mass murder in schools and theaters. What do you suggest he does with an implacable enemy that is willing to commit these horrific acts?
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:42 pm

I'm not suggesting Putin do anything. It's his country and he's their President and he can do what he wants within Russia's borders, for all I care. I'm merely commenting on the reason Putin's calling for people to support Bush. And that reason isn't necessarily true love.
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:43 pm

L410 Bush is not evil...thats going too far.

I agree. Now, if you talk about Cheney, Rummy and Ashcroft, then you're getting somewhere.

And getting an endoresment from a dictator. How deliciously ironic!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:51 pm

Purely politically speaking this is one dumb-ass remark (If he actually said it) because as a foreign high profile politician you are not supposed to endorse one candidate over another in a democratic election.
Here in belgium we had our "genius" minister of defence who publically said that he (and in his opinion the whole of Belgium) endorsed J. Kerry for president of the US.
He got burned for saying it.
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:09 pm

What do you suggest he does with an implacable enemy that is willing to commit these horrific acts?

After all those sieges Chechens inevitably lost their cause for independence (just like the Palestinians did). Letting the Islamic extremists in was a grave miscalculation. If you'd look at the past ten years of the conflict, then you'd see that reducing Grozny to Berlin-May1945-kind of rubble did not help fight the separatism and sure as hell won't help fighting the terrorists. Letting them go 7-10 years ago would mean that Chechnya would be most likely a country with strong influence of Islam and Sharia law (Saudi Arabia is a big friend of the US after all, isn't it?) and not a hotbed of terrorism and training ground for terrorists form all over Middle East.

I mean if Bush wouldn't be full of "freedom and democracy" BS then this partnership would be perfectly rational - Bush will turn blind eye to whatever will Putin do in the name of "fighting terrorism" in Chechnya and Putin will shut up about Iraq. But since excuse-of-the-week for Iraq is "freedom and democracy", being supported by typos like Putin is just hollarious.

I can only imagine all those Boeing7E7s, Commander_Rabbs, L-188s, BushCheney04s and other die-hard pro-Bush guys on a.net going ballistic if Lukashenko or Mugabe would say something similar about Kerry.
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:10 pm

I would say it says something about Kerry if those are the type of people who support him.
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:13 pm

Exactly, L410! I knew there was a reason I respected you!

As I said in a previous post, "Also, watch the friends of Bush here on ANet simply refuse to say how Putin's interfering in an 'internal' matter."

Also, do you think Bush will even offer public moral support to Putin to do as he pleases? My bet is that Putin will be asked to exercise "restraint".
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:15 pm

Letting them go 7-10 years ago would mean that Chechnya would be most likely a country with strong influence of Islam and Sharia law (Saudi Arabia is a big friend of the US after all, isn't it?) and not a hotbed of terrorism and training ground for terrorists form all over Middle East

Doubt it....more like a milder version of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:17 pm

I would say it says something about Kerry if those are the type of people who support him.

Which they do not. Bush on the other hand is, and wouldn't you admit it says something about Bush? No way, you will try to find some sort of lame excuse instead, am I right?
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:15 am

"And getting an endoresment from a dictator. How deliciously ironic!"

Kerry got a couple of endorsements from the likes of Mahatir Mohammed and some other unsavory characters...
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:17 am

"Kerry got a couple of endorsements from the likes of Mahatir Mohammed and some other unsavory characters.."

Including Osama, he wants that "more sensitive" war.
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:47 am

Well I'll say what all the Republicans say when someone from another country voices their opinion on American politics, thank God he's not voting and he's not an American so who cares what he thinks. Honestly, who's gonna vote for Bush just because Putin asked them to? Sure as hell not me. This is coming from a President who suddenly went from a democracy to a Dictatorshiplikeship just because of a terrorist regime's attack on a school. Give me a break.

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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:27 am

Including Osama, he wants that "more sensitive" war.

I'm sure Osama wants Bush in the office for 4 more years! Bush's policies are making enemies of the US even faster then he's losing friends and allies and thanks to anarchy in Iraq made by Bush's mismanagement no one really cares about bin Laden. He even got crowds of new Iraqi jihadists as a bonus.
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:36 am

The reasons he has given for acting as he has, with the approval of the Duma, is the terrorist activities his country is enduring.

Terrorist attacks or not, approval of the Duma or not, he has taken a big step towards having the country solely in his control. The Bush administration itself said that it was concerned with what was going on with regard to the shakeup of the Russian political system.

So don't go saying that Putin is just making the country safer from terrorists. It's much more serious than that. If Bush were to decide that he should appoint the governors of each state and the mayors of each city so that he could have who he felt was best against terrorism in those offices, would you be so accepting? I doubt it.
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:36 am

I'm sure Osama wants Bush in the office for 4 more years!

Respectfully, I disagree. While Bush may not be winning many friends overseas, I firmly believe that anyone considering the U.S. an enemy is hopeful that Kerry wins on November 2nd.

That alone should be reason enough for any "undecided voter" to cast their ballot for President Bush.
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:07 am

Where does Putin get off trying to interfere with out of our politics?! Foreigners just need to stay out of our politics. Who gives a shit what a silly communist has to say about our elections? Fuck the world!

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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:35 am

LH423
i gota feeling your being sarcastic?!?! but if your not, then who the fuck is george bush and richard armitage to tell Australians that we should vote for John Howard in our recent elections!
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:48 am

Ha! I guess he too is siding with the WINNER!

The word is out!

As was said..."anyone considering the U.S. an enemy is hopeful that Kerry wins on November 2nd."

I SO agree!



 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:48 pm

Kissing ass so he can get carte-blanche to nuke the Chechens, BIG surprise. Not. The man's a fascist, so is Bush - as they say in Afrikaans "soort soek soort".
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:58 pm

JGPH1A, your just jealous  Wink/being sarcastic

IMO Bush is a better leader than Kerry would be so, vote Bush  Wink/being sarcastic
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Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:05 pm

It is not a coincidence that at the same time JM Aznar (ex Spanish PM) was in Moscow and interviewed Putin himself; has he got a new job making campaign for Bush reelection?
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:49 pm

Dl021:


How come that you in another thread were SO critical of British involvement in your upcoming elections (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/656451/) but don't have any problem at all with Russian involvement?

How come you critisize a civilian British initiative with phrases such as "I certainly do not want outside forces meddling with ours", but you do not have ANY problem at all with a Head of State of another country urging voters to back Bush?

I have only one word for that: Hypocrisy!!!
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:09 pm

Respectfully, I disagree. While Bush may not be winning many friends overseas, I firmly believe that anyone considering the U.S. an enemy is hopeful that Kerry wins on November 2nd.

Disagree all you want, I think it's awful naive to think that terrorists care who the president is. They hate AMERICA, not the man who resides as president.

That alone should be reason enough for any "undecided voter" to cast their ballot for President Bush.

That's where I'll disagree. GWB has had three years to capture OBL, and has failed. Justice has not been done. I don't give a shit how many of his cronies he says he's captured, they can be replaced. The man responsible for killing 3000 innocent American civilians is still alive, and that to me is reason enough to NOT vote for Bush. Instead Bush went to Iraq, got us distracted, thinned our sources, and fanned the flames of hatred against America. In my eyes, he made it worse. At least Kerry has the right focus. The war on terror is against OBL, not Saddam.

You prolly disagree, and that's fine. We'll see how the mood changes when we get attacked again, regardless who is president. 9/11 should have taught us not to underestimate those bastards.

"Kerry got a couple of endorsements from the likes of Mahatir Mohammed and some other unsavory characters.." Including Osama, he wants that "more sensitive" war.

Awww, that's cute, completely taken out of context, but cute.

At least Kerry is "concerned" about OBL, unlike Bush.  Big grin

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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:15 pm

Ha! I guess he too is siding with the WINNER!

The word is out!


How unusual to hear something like that from you...

Is it the pentagons mission to jump to conclusions? You are doing yourself and it was done in Iraq as well...  Insane


anyone considering the U.S. an enemy is hopeful that Kerry wins on November 2nd

So do you enjoy that your "great leader" is hated all over the world?
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:42 am

"Ha! I guess he too is siding with the WINNER!

The word is out!

As was said..."anyone considering the U.S. an enemy is hopeful that Kerry wins on November 2nd."

I SO agree!"

Ignorant. As if Kerry's going to let terrorists just bomb the hell out of the US and Bush could stop it. Kerry cares about America just as much as Bush does, and don't forget, both people would get info from the same place, the CIA. So saying we're safer with Bush is pure bullshit.

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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:54 am

So do you enjoy that your "great leader" is hated all over the world?

Answer?

No, I don't. I don't care. I basically don’t care for what you or others think there Fritzo, Why does he have to be popular amongst people who live in the huts and villages of half the globe? Bush is not their President, he's mine.

Basically he is disliked because he made a hard decision to go into Iraq and some don't like it. Boo hoo! No Iraq and Bush is popular. Well, we don't have that now do we? Too bad for the popularity contest.  Yeah sure

When it comes down to it...would I like to have a President who is popular all over the world and puts his popularity first over the interests of this country, or would I like a President who is hated by some but is doing the right thing for America’s interest?

Of course you know the answer...BUSH on November 2nd.

And happy to say it too!

 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:57 am

No, I don't. I don't care. I basically don’t care for what you or others think there Fritzo,

You clearly do. You repeat this over and over and over again, in nearly every single thread on here. You're desperate to convince us that you really don't care what we all think - or maybe you're trying to convince yourself? See, I think you really know that world opinion is actually pretty important - especially with the war on terror. Maybe by repeating yourself a few thousand times, it might change the truth.

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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:07 am

Repeating it only to get it through some thick heads. I'll put you first in line tripple7.  Smile

World opinion is important but in the final analysis it falls on the wayside and takes a second place when it comes to what is good for the U.S. and it's interests. I know it's a hard pill to swallow for non-Americans but hey; you’re a big boy or girl you will learn to gulp.

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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:52 am

I basically don’t care for what you or others think there Fritzo

If you enjoy being hated then you are one poor sod.



PS: Dont call me Fritzo, you arrogant sack of sh*t
 
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RE: Putin Urges Voters To Back Bush

Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:07 am

Didnt Putin recently remove the democratic mechanism for election of regional governors and will now appoint them by dictat from the Kremlin? And didnt he do it in reponse to the Beslin school seige and justified it as part of the "war on terror"

Will Bush now follow this visionary and hugely democratic process and appoint State Governors rather than have them elected?

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