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Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:46 pm

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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:40 pm

If he looses the elections in the US, he´d like to be the new president of Iraq.
 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:47 pm

From the article:

At one point, the Saudis proposed that Muslim forces be placed under the command of the Iraqi government. That idea won over Allawi, but not the United States. "The Americans wanted ultimate control, and that made it impossible to make this work," said the Iraqi official.

Sovreign country my @ss...  Insane

When will he learn? This would have been such an opportunity. Get the UN in to relieve some of our burden and start doing some good, and at the same time get our Islamic allies in there, which might end up shutting up some of the insurgents as they see their Muslim brothers start enforcing order. But I guess not....
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:49 pm

If he looses the elections in the US, he´d like to be the new president of Iraq.

I would wish that on him, but not the Iraqi people.

Which reminds me: who exactly is opposing Allawi in the elections? Not having a second choice is not very democratic.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:52 pm

There´ll be not UN force and no support coming from other countries as long as Bush is still in power. Even in a UN mission under Kerry, the US troops would be one among others and not the leaders to get the mess sorted out.
Right now nobody wants to burn his fingers and get used as cannon fodder.

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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:59 pm

With peace there is no fear, thus no reason to scare people in to supporting Bush.

Bush/Bin Laden are cut from the same cloth.
To hell with both and then we can have peace.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:38 pm

"To hell with both and then we can have peace.."

Yea, like when Saddam was killing those thousands of people.... I bet that did keep people quiet over there huh?
 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:12 pm

Like the invisible WMDs? I bet that did keep people quiet over here huh?
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:51 pm

flydude.....that is completely incorrect about Bush. He and OBL are not of the same cloth. Statements like that are inflammatory and without substance. I know your'e mad, but get real.

BTW..apropos of nothing at all...there was a picture of a baby white rhino that was just born at Busch Gardens in Tampa on the tube a minute ago. Just goes to show you that the world goes on.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:53 pm

I wouldn't support Saudi troops keeping the peace in Iraq either. This is the same country that turns a blind eye to terrorism, evidenced by the majority of the 9/11 hijackers coming from there. I can see it now, a Saudi based force ignoring some of the worst atrocities we see commited now in Iraq.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 2:44 am

Read the article. Neither the Saudis, nor any country that borders Iraq, would have sent troops under the proposal, and it would have been to protect the UN force only.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:59 am

"Like the invisible WMDs?"

So...if I hide something, and you can't find it, that means it never existed?

...wonderful logic...
 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:04 am

JeffM, this is one thing you're going to get over... The Weapons that Mysteriously Disappeared just weren't there.
 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:01 am

I wouldn't support Saudi troops keeping the peace in Iraq either. This is the same country that turns a blind eye to terrorism, evidenced by the majority of the 9/11 hijackers coming from there. I can see it now, a Saudi based force ignoring some of the worst atrocities we see commited now in Iraq.

We can be sure of one thing: The US will support them 100%

So...if I hide something, and you can't find it, that means it never existed?

Jeff, its been a year, who are you kidding? This doesn't exist, it might in Bushland, but not on Earth.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:03 am

You know you're a robot when...

the guy telling you what to think acknowledges there are no WMDs, but you still claim there are.
 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:13 am

Yea, like when Saddam was killing those thousands of people.... I bet that did keep people quiet over there huh?

As terrible as Saddam is and as much as we do need to eliminate people like him from power he was able to maintain stability in Iraq through fear, something the United States has not been able to do for the past year and a half. Iraq can never be a successful society or even a democracy if there is no stability.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:48 am

>>>As terrible as Saddam is and as much as we do need to eliminate people like him from power he was able to maintain stability in Iraq through fear, something the United States has not been able to do for the past year and a half. Iraq can never be a successful society or even a democracy if there is no stability.<<<

So for our creature comfort and financial gain, it's acceptable that a population be terrorized and brutalized?

So the worst elements in Iraq whom thrive on discord is the prime demoninator of whether the Iraqi citizenry desire or deserve stability?
And the worst of these offenders aren't even Iraqi, Zarqawi is Jordanian.
That not to imply he represents the Jordanian point of view, he's just another rotten apple swaying or reinforcing pre-existing world opinion on the futility of a possible better life for sub-human, un-democratic example of the species.
Or maybe hatred and failure of one man, George Bush, justifies the misery of millions?
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:12 am

So for our creature comfort and financial gain, it's acceptable that a population be terrorized and brutalized?

Of course its not acceptable for people to be terrorized. I was making a point that Saddam kept the three parts of Iraq from fighting each other. How he did it was terrible but it happened to work. Now that Saddam has been removed the three parts of Iraq are fighting each other and the US army is failing to stabilize the country. Since Saddam was in power there has never been peace in Iraq but there was stability. Now that he is gone there appears to be neither. Could that be because there is US forces there and they just hate America and George Bush as many of your fellow citzens think is true, are they simply not scared of the troops and have nothing to lose. I have a question to any one who is willing to answer it.

What would happen in Iraq if US forces were to pull out and tell the Iraqi to eseentially deal with the problem themselves.

I'm sure that everyone has heard this quote, "Peace is not the absense of conflict, but also the presense of Justice." From this I see that Peace exists in most western nations. I also see stabilty as the absense of conflict and justice as a funtioning democracy and a successful society. What I think Bush is trying to so is get justice without stabilty In Iraq and it isn't working as of yet.

Another question: How does the United States get stability in Iraq?
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:18 am

JeffM, are you ready to volunteer yourself or your children to go to Darfur or Somalia or North Korea or Iran etc etc etc. Thousands of people are dying there and this is your new found reason to support the war in Iraq right? Saddam was a bad guy. That's what the Presi and Fox tell you guys and you just lick it up like cherry-flavored dog crap. This is our new foreign policy platform. We will invade your country killing thousands of poeple in the process and spending hundreds of billions of dollars because your leader is a bad person and thousands are dying. Think about what you'resigning up for. I'll tell you because neither Bush nor Fox have the balls to: a lifetime of military campaings that will never end because we have become so frigggin arrogant as to think that are brand of government is so perfect that any country that doesn't have it will get it by force. Christ Almighty, you guys need to put down the Bible for a few minutes and pick up the clue phone. Can you hear the clue phone ringing?
 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:22 am

U.S. Forces will never fall under foreign command.

Simple. What about that don't you guys get?

 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:31 am

U.S. Forces will never fall under foreign command.

Simple. What about that don't you guys get?


While I think that that's a pretty selfish position, that's not the point. The issue is whether some troops in Iraq (not US troops, but troops from Arab nations) should be under UN command, or Iraqi command. And the US, in its high-and-mighty "we know all attitude", refuses to let that happen, and in the process stops an initiative that could bring some major benefits to Iraq.

Brilliant George, just brilliant....  Insane
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:44 am

While I think that that's a pretty selfish position

Position? That's the POLICY of the United States Government. Not the Bush administration.

Again, what don't you guys get? Geeez.

 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:48 am

Commander_rabb:

"U.S. Forces will never fall under foreign command.

Simple. What about that don't you guys get?
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...yet Bush expects other nations to put their troops under U.S. Command, even for U.N. missions. Understand now why so many European countries are wary of sending their troops to Iraq? It's this 'We-Do-It-My-Way-Or-I-Am-Out' attitude that won't get us anywhere, not in Iraq, not in the Global War on Terrorism.

And speaking of the international political scene, Bush isn't in a very good position, to say the least, to continue with his demands, as many of the accusations regarding Iraq that the critical countries were wary about have been proven completely false.

Those European Leaders that did follow him blindly into the Iraqi Adventure, at the expense of their own approval ratings at home, are now secretly praying for Kerry to win, or rather Bush to lose the next US elections. This would give them an excuse to change their Iraqi policies, as their own populations and general common sense, demand, without losing too much credibility.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:51 am

DIO21:
I am not mad at all. I am actually very happy!  Smile
I am just calling it how I see it. I don't care if my comments are seen as "inflammatory" either. I despise Bin Laden just as much as W Bush. One happens to be an extremist fundalentalist Muslin willing to send others to kill the other an extreme fundamentalist Christian willing to send others to kill.
Image if there were no terrorist to fear, what would Dubya hide behind and use as fear to get votes and hang on to power?
Just like Areil Sharon and Bin Laden, Bush is not interested in peace.

Fear sales.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:56 am

"US Forces will never fall under foreign command"

Well, I assume this means, since there can only be one commander, all other forces should fall under US command.

Sorry, if you guys want to get that region sorted out, you will need help or you´ll end up running away with a tucked in tail like in Vietnam.
Except for the fast shrinking "coalition of the willing" no other country wants to send in their troops under US command. While most GIs are ok, the current leadership of the US lost almost all it´s credibility.

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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:04 am

It is the POLICY of the United States Government. Not the Bush administration.


You will just have to live with that. It's not going to change. So, if you want to work with the U.S., you WILL have to accept it. Sorry, but that is the policy of the United States govenment and it's citizens will never allow U.S. forces to fall under foreign command. No matter who is in the White House.


 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:14 am

Well, if you want our help to sort out the mess don´t expect us to be your cannon fodder under American command.
For the moment I strongly suggest to place the US forces in Iraq under British command, since they apparently make a better job due to their wast experience in SUCCESSFULLY fighting insurgent combatants and terrorists.

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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:19 am

British Command? since they apparently make a better job due to their wast experience in SUCCESSFULLY fighting insurgent combatants and terrorists.

I am going to show my associates this post. We need a good laugh here after a long day!

Thanks!
 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:27 am

Well,

In rough chronological order:

Malaya, Kenya, Borneo, Cyprus, Aden, Oman, Northern Ireland....

Check
http://britains-smallwars.com/main/index1.html

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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:31 am

Agreed on that one MD11.

I was under the impression you were speaking of current British forces in Iraq.

btw great link.

[Edited 2004-10-20 00:34:29]
 
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:22 am

Rabb is correct of course. Current US tactics in Iraq are the model to follow, those and none other damn you liberal commie foreigners !!!

Be sure to copy the subsequent 'run like fuck' tactic as well when things just don't work out.

Who are these 'colleagues' I wonder ? A few more government placemen working out their pensions and trying not to make waves ?
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:46 am

Position? That's the POLICY of the United States Government. Not the Bush administration.

Again, what don't you guys get? Geeez.


Ok, it's a pretty selfish POLICY then.

But what don't you get? This isn't about US troops. It's about the US demanding that FOREIGN troops be under US control, instead of UN control or Iraqi control.

[Edited 2004-10-20 01:47:50]
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:48 pm

It isn't actually true to say that US forces will never be under foreign command. US forces were under British command for several phases of the southern campaign in Iraq.

Just thought I'd mention it.
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RE: Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force

Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:14 pm

And now we have the US asking for UK troops to be deployed farther north i wonder why is it because the situation in the south is far more stable than where the americans are deployed,oops what am i saying i forgot the US can do it all on their own. I keep forgetting that there are no other countries in the world apart from the US.

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