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Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:01 pm

The UPI has a story on Pres. Clinton purported interest in being UNSecGen.

http://interestalert.com/brand/siteia.shtml?Story=st/sn/10210010aaa038a4.upi&Sys=siteia&Fid=LATEBRKN&Type=News&Filter=Late%20Breaking

I think it would be great for the US, perhaps helping mend relations with the rest of the world after the divide that has developed.

I do think that Sen. Clinton's possible run for POTUS would create a very interesting problem. Kofi's term ends in early 2006 and the next presidential election wouldn't be until 2008, therefore assuming Bill gets the post, we might end up with a Clinton running for president (and possibly being elected)while the other serves at the UN? This would create very big potential conflicts of interest.

Any thoughts? I'm particularly interested in non-American's view of the situations.
 
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:04 pm

Intriguing idea, but I thought that the UN Secretary General could never be from a country with a permanent seat at the Security Council. I could be wrong of course, but certainly there never HAS been a UN SecGen from a permanent member before, and somehow I can't see the General Assembly picking an American SecGen.
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:08 pm

Interesting idea, but I think it'a Asia's turn to put forward a name, and they've already been left waiting 5 years longer than expected, as Africa is in its third term holding the office. I read somewhere the current Thai FM is one of the strongest contenders for the job...

 
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:09 pm

Africa's third term ? Who's number 3 ? I can only think of Butros Butros Ghali and Kofi Annan.
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:17 pm

I believe that Kofi's served two terms
 
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:27 pm

yes, it goes in turns by country or region i believe, Clinton wouldn't be able to as he is from a country with a permanent seat on the council.
 
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:46 pm

A nice idea indeed, and not a bad one, but as mentioned before, it's legally impossible.

Another idea comes to mind: Jimmy Carter is rather old now, but he does good work all over the work bringing war parties to the table again. He could do that, too, and no legal restraints here!
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:48 pm

I believe that Kofi's served two terms

Yup, correct. Asia couldn't come to a consensus on an SG candidate and, as a result, Kofi's served two terms.
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:19 pm

Another idea comes to mind: Jimmy Carter is rather old now, but he does good work all over the work bringing war parties to the table again. He could do that, too, and no legal restraints here!

Bringing war parties to the table? HA. Carter was the first American President to deal with Islamic terror and he appeased them. Hell will freeze over before Carter is SecGen.
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:22 pm

Carter was the first American President to deal with Islamic terror and he appeased them.

How did he do that? By bringing Israel and Egypt together? I don't think you have a flying frack what you're talking about. I don't know of a single American president that has "appeased" terrorists. I think you're so full of partisanship that it's clouded your vision.
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:41 pm

I would be pretty hard pressed right off to call Carter an appeaser.

However he clearly did not know how to fight terror, and there for we had a bunch of Americans spend 400 odd days in Tehran and a bunch more die in that half assed desert one rescue attempt.

Carter was terrified of getting more people killed to the point that he had to be forced to consider military options.

That and what it did is stealing most of Alaska's land to make into a private park for the lower 48, without the consent of the people that actually have to live off it was also uncalled for IMHO.
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:53 pm

I guess some people here are indeed more...well ok..let's not get into details:

I wasn't talking about Carter as GenSec, but of Clinton trying to step into the footsteps of Carter as a "free-lancing" diplomat, neither of them will ever be GenSec and they don't need to be...as former US presidents with some sort of backing by the US government they have the clear advantage that absolutely everybody will be "willing" to talk to them, at least nobody in his right mind can afford NOT to talk to them!! And they do have much more power to "force" people to negotiate than the GenSec.

On the other hand this may be exactly what the current US government does NOT want, somehow I can't fight that feeling!
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:51 pm

Carter "appeased" by sending troops to free the hostages in Iran (which the military couldn´t pull off). Rj, you´re so clueless you´re funny!  Big thumbs up

Clinton won´t have a chance. And he shouldn´t, for the reasons given above. He could still play a constructive non-official role in specific situations, though.
 
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:12 am

However he clearly did not know how to fight terror, and there for we had a bunch of Americans spend 400 odd days in Tehran and a bunch more die in that half assed desert one rescue attempt.

Yeah! We're so much better off at fighting terror...Now the hostages get their heads loped of after 2 or 3 days.

As for the botched rescue...You blame Carter for that, yet 1100 dead Americans after Bush's showcase landing on an A/C and subsequent victory speech, Bush is still your Golden Boy????


 
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:18 am

I do think that Sen. Clinton's possible run for POTUS would create a very interesting problem. Kofi's term ends in early 2006 and the next presidential election wouldn't be until 2008, therefore assuming Bill gets the post, we might end up with a Clinton running for president (and possibly being elected)while the other serves at the UN? This would create very big potential conflicts of interest.

If Kerry gets elected this year, Hillary would not be able to realistically run until 2012. Using 1980 as a guide (Carter vs. Kennedy), the Democrats know all too well what happens when an incumbent president faces a primary challenger from his (or her) own party.

A few years back, Oliver North on his Common Sense radio program mentioned the possibility of Bill Clinton becoming Secretary General to the U.N. and I'm almost certain that both Left Behind author Tim LaHaye and his wife, Beverly LaHaye of Concerned Women for America, hinted on that possibility around the same timeframe.

Which leads to another question:

Is Bill Clinton the prophesied Anti-Christ?
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:17 am

Re: Is Bill Clinton the prophesied Anti-Christ?

Only if you're a Republican  Smile
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:23 am

Or Monica Lewinsky. Unless that's the same thing...?  Big grin
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:53 am

Where is everyone getting this rule about a UNSECGen not being able to come from a UNSC permanent member? Do we know this for a fact or is it speculation / group think?

[Edited 2004-10-22 18:54:20]
 
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:35 am

Chapter XV, Article 97 of the UN Charter states that:

"The Secretary-General shall be appointed by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council."

So there certainly doesn't appear to be any official prohibition on someone from a permanent member serving (although I'm guessing the veto's would be deployed pretty quickly if one of us tried it). However, since the current Deputy Sec-Gen is Canadian I personally think it's unlikely that another North American would be considered for either post at this time.
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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:38 am

Its speculation. I can find no evidence to support it.

I can, however, find ample discussion that Clinton does actually want the job, and could actually have it.

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RE: Clinton As UN Sec General

Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:15 am

Wow...good news for Monica Lewinsky. "I blew the UN SG....."



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