mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:29 am

I only recently learned (tragically) the importance of backing up my files.

I havea home desktop but burning onto a CD every once in a while is a pain and those CDs have little room on them.

Whats a better alternative to saveing and backing up data? I would rather not have those tapes either.


thanks, I welcome the advice.

Mirrodie
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
AvianceGirlUK
Posts: 627
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:40 am

What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:30 am

Erm, Mirrodie are you drunk???
Your topic makes NO sense LOL...
 
MYT332
Posts: 7283
Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:31 pm

What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:23 pm

A CD holds 650-700mb where as a DVD can hold 4700mb (4300mb formatted), so get yourself a DVD burner and a few DVD-R's and knock yourself out. Granted it costs a lot but it's worth it.

I back up to DVD as well as over our network to another machine, I.E, all my music, photos and movies (My Documents) are on both my deskop and notebook computers.

Happy backing up!

I only recently learned (tragically) the importance of backing up my files.
That's a hard day most of us go through, I feel for ya.  Sad
One Life, Live it.
 
Leezyjet
Posts: 3540
Joined: Sun Oct 14, 2001 7:26 am

What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:41 am

"I only recently learned (tragically) the importance of backing up my files"

I have almost been in that situation with a dieing hard drive, but luckily managed to back up all my stuff on one of it's good days - phew !!!.

Now got a new 80gb hard drive, bit change from my 10gb drive I had previously !!.

 Smile
"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
 
Thom@s
Posts: 11674
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2000 2:03 am

What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:45 am

Buy a second harddisk, and back up to that one. From the research I've done, it doesn't cost much more than buying a bunch of CDs.  Smile

Thom@s
"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
 
theCoz
Posts: 3933
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:06 am

What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?

Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:00 am

I bought a computer for 200 dollars at a garage sale. I have it hooked up wirelessly to my network. If I want to reformat my computer, I back everything up on there. I also use it as a server for mp3s and my web cams. Totally worth it  Smile
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:11 am

I´ve switched to backing up on DVD-RWs (rotating between two or three disks).

Another alternative would be an external FireWire harddrive.
 
iakobos
Posts: 3255
Joined: Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:22 pm

What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?

Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:38 am

I have also gone through the painful experience, eventhough my server has a 40GB back up tape. My instructions were to back up at least once a week,... I guess lazyness played a great role.
Since the defective HD contained nearly 2 months of work, I opted to send it to a company specialized in data recovery.

Big business !
You pay a (solid) fee in advance whatever the outcome.
Since it was negative, it became a double loss.

Now I back up on HD, on CD (all files in final form) and the often used work files are also on a Iomega Zip.
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:37 am

I once heard about a firewire device for data storage? Would that be a good idea?

OK, I have a 120 GB hard drive and right now, it has 94.5 Gb of free space left on it.

One guy once suggested that I "partition" my harddrive into sections and keep one with all the data as a back up??

how would i even begin to do that?

thanks,

Mirrodie



October 24, 2004....One year later.

Concorde, we miss you.
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
CaptOveur
Posts: 6064
Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 3:13 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Fi

Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:39 am

A second hard drive works for me
Things were better when it was two guys in a dorm room.
 
fritzi
Posts: 2598
Joined: Sat Jun 30, 2001 2:34 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:24 am

One guy once suggested that I "partition" my harddrive into sections and keep one with all the data as a back up??

If your entire HD would give up, you would still loose everything then.

Best way to go about is to burn everything to 2 DVD CDs. One of the two would be a backup if the other one would f*ck up.

It is always better to be safe than sorry!
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:15 am

Best way to go about is to burn everything to 2 DVD CDs. One of the two would be a backup if the other one would f*ck up.


two DVD CD's?? I have a CD burner and never got around to getting a DVD burner. DO I require a DVD burner? OR is it as simple as using Roxio data CD creator and burning to a DVD?

bottom line, I need a DVD burner?


WHat of the Firewire?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
MYT332
Posts: 7283
Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:31 pm

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:59 am

Ok he means two DVD-R discs. They are different to a CD, so you can't just use your CD-RW burner to write to DVD-R discs. Like I said they hold a whole lot more than a CD but you'll need to buy the DVD-RW burner first.

It's probably the best option for the home user as it's fairly quick, cheap and you can also store these disks at another property incase your house burns down, ok well maybe that's a little bit extreme but its true. Data is very important to some people right?

As for Firewire, well it is just a bus type from apple. Since your a PC guy you're probably better off with USB2, it's basically the same. So i'm talking about getting a USB2 External Hard Drive yea. You can then copy all your files to that. This is how I back up files on my iMac, although I use a firewire Hard drive but anyway, you'd be better off with a DVD-RW for your pc IMHO.

I can envision you scratching your head at the moment saying "WTF?!" but it's not that comlicated. Just go buy a DVD-RW and get backing up.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
One Life, Live it.
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:00 am

First of all, it depends on the amount of data you actually need to back up regularly.

If it´s well below 700MB, DVDs would just be overkill.

One other point: DVDs do not have multi-session capability, so you can only burn one single session to each disk, even if you´re only using a few megabytes of data. With RWs it doesn´t matter all that much: You can erase and re-use them.

But a multi-session CD (RW) may often be more convenient than a DVD.

If you need larger amounts of data to be backed up, the primary alternatives would indeed be DVD (RW) or an external harddisk.

You´ll find external DVD burners and harddisks for both USB2 or FireWire.

Although nominally USB2 should be as fast or faster than FireWire, in practice FireWire is much faster than USB2 (USB has lots of overhead which drags the usable speed way down). And FireWire2 is twice as fast again.
 
F9Widebody
Posts: 1475
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:47 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Fi

Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:02 am

Just buy a second Hard Drive. You can get a decent one for about the same price as a DVD burner, and it doesn't require the expensive DVD's that a burner would.
YES URLS in signature!!!
 
NWA742
Posts: 4505
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:35 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:21 am

Well, if you only have a CD burner...

Pick up a pack of 15 700mb blank CDs, and spend some time backing your files up on as many of them as it takes. It's not the easiest, but probaby the safest. Remember, backup hardrives can fail as well.




-NWA742
Some people are like slinkies - not good for anything, but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:13 am

burning a bunch of data on 700 MB Cd's sees like a pain in the ass, esp if they are not reusable.

I have aabout 3.5 Gb of stuff I have to back up. Having known that, what do you suggest? What is easy and relatively quick?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
chrisdigo
Posts: 179
Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:26 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:26 pm

Two different and network connected computers with Windows and the sync software "SyncBack". You can schedule the sync when you want, what you want and how often you want. It's safe, quick and automated.

http://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:02 am

http://www.lacie.com/


Is this a good way to go?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
JeffM
Posts: 7569
Joined: Sat May 07, 2005 3:32 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:11 am

Fastest, easiest, constantly backed up, would be to mirror the drive in a RAID 1 configuration. RAID Level 1 provides redundancy by duplicating all data from one drive on another drive. This is done without any intervention on the user's part. It happens on each write cycle. The performance of a level 1 array is only slightly better than a single drive, but if either drive fails, no data is lost.

Next fastest method would be to another drive over your network. CD's and DVD's are acceptable, just slow.
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

JeffM

Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:09 pm

JeffM: The performance of a level 1 array is only slightly better than a single drive

No, its write performance is significantly worse than that of a single disk, since data needs to be written to both redundant disks separately. Exception: A dedicated multi-channel RAID controller can do it transparently. But in a small system you generally won´t have one of these.

When you´re using a background backup process that´s "copying behind" while your system is idling anyway you´ll have some lag but no significant performance hit. There are backup software solutions which offer services like that. You´d still need a second harddisk, of course.
 
Qb001
Posts: 1923
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2000 12:42 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:53 pm

Here's what I do; maybe it will help or inspire someone over there.

Keep in mind: I'm a freelance consultant working mostly from my home computer, so my computer is worth a lot to me. Also, I'm heading a small, non for profit, private kindergarten, which also adds to the information I have to manage.

First of, it takes discipline. I regularly get rid of all useless files.

Second, I'm very organized. All my files are kept in their own folder. All files that I need for client A are kept in a folder "Client A". And when I'm sure that I won't have to work on this client until next year, I get rid of all useless files and I zip the others.

Third, I buy my software, no bootlegs here. Therefore, if my HD gives up on me, I'll have everything I need to re-install them. So I don't have to back the software up.

Fourth, I bought a 100 megs, USB driven IOMega zip drive. With 2 diskettes, it cost me under 200$CDN (160$ US). With all the discipline I put myself to, I can back-up all my important files on a 100 megs diskette. Backing up those files becomes a simple drag-and-drop operation and it takes 5-6 minutes. If ever I have additional needs, I'll simply split my files on two diskettes.

If ever my HD dies (which happened two years ago), yes I would lose a few things. First, I'd lost my personal emails. But, for all my business emails I use Lycos, which is much safer, hardware wise. I'd also lose some other files, such as recipes; I can live with those losts. I'd also lost some files related to some games I play, such as FS. Fine, I can live with that risk too. And so on. In my case, I don't think it's worth buying a 1000$ piece of hardware just to back-up recipe or FS related files.

And, also, re-installing everything will be a pain in the neck. But I figure losing your HD is already a pain, so it doesn't add that much to the initial pain.

In other words, for the cost of legally acquiring my software and 200$ worth of hardware, I'm pretty well covered. It's not perfect, but it is a cheap way of doing it, it forces some discipline on me and it's very easy and time efficient.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:40 am

I reviewed all the options you;ve discussed and talked it over with the support guy what works our server in my office...

and what makes the most sense to me is to back up to an external hard drive with usb or firewire capability.

Now.....I have a Dell 8250 and I think i have a 1394 port, but how can I clarify this?


And really, whats faster? the usb 2.0 or the firewire?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
JeffM
Posts: 7569
Joined: Sat May 07, 2005 3:32 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:12 am

Firewire. Hands down.
 
F9Widebody
Posts: 1475
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:47 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Fi

Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:18 am

Now.....I have a Dell 8250 and I think i have a 1394 port, but how can I clarify this?

Look for a socket like this on the back of your computer:

YES URLS in signature!!!
 
j_hallgren
Posts: 1427
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2000 11:48 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:58 pm

I bought an external CD-RW drive for my laptop for use as backup about 18 months ago...made only one backup so far...realized that using a USB flash drive made more sense...now have 3 of them...128MB each...bought on sale with rebates...I can thus keep "My Documents" and other critical folders in up to date backups without cost...PLUS...I can easily take them to other locations (library,etc)...since most of what I have on HDD is already on CD from various sources...an occasional full backup will suffice...
COBOL - Not a dead language yet!
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:16 pm

OK, so I looked and saw that port last night (thanks for the photo you posted) and saw that I have 3 of those similar looking ports.....but only once of them has these letters "SB1394" printed on the metal near the port. Yet, the 3 ports look the same.

(I tried to post a photo of it but no webspace  Sad Anyone can to post the image for me for the short term?)


I am not the most computer savvy guy.... but when I went to my Device Manager,

under IEEE 1394 Bus Host Controllers, it has 2 things listed:

-OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
-Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 host controller


So, do I have 1, 2 or 3 ports?? See my confusion? Seeking clarification.



Anyway, I am looking at one of the Lacie.com device to back up the 18 Gb that I have on my C drive.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:10 am

That socket in the photo... is it possible that it might be for something other than 1394?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

Mirrodie

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:03 am

Mirrodie: That socket in the photo... is it possible that it might be for something other than 1394?

Not that I knew of. If the plug fits without having to force it, it´ll be FireWire.

One controller can indeed have more than one port, so three FW ports could be possible (although slightly unusual).
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:32 am

looks life Firewire is out since external backups can fail...

dvds hold 4700 mb,....hows that translate to Gbs?


Also, does it make a difference DVD-R vs DVD-RW?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
MYT332
Posts: 7283
Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:31 pm

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:02 am

4700MB = 4.7GB

DVD-R'S = Write once
DVD-RW'S = Write many times

If you use DVD-RW'S you can keep backing up at weekly intervals to the same disk, adding the new data. DVD-R's can really only to be written to once, can you session it? although they are cheaper than RW's.

Like I said on Oct 23rd, reply 2, DVD-R's are what I use. I'm not that economical  Smile
One Life, Live it.
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:16 am

Mirrodie: looks life Firewire is out since external backups can fail...

All backups can fail!


Mirrodie: dvds hold 4700 mb,....hows that translate to Gbs?

Manufacturers of harddisks or media often use "decimal" kilo/mega/gigabytes to make the capacity appear bigger:

k = 1000
M = 1000 0000
G = 1000 0000 000

The proper designation would be:

k = 1024
M = 1024 * 1024 = 1 048 576
G = 1024 * 1024 * 1024 = 1 073 741 824

In addition, manufacturers often specify the theoretical gross capacity instead of the actually usable net capacity.

A DVD-R(W)´s actual capacity is about 4.4GB


MYT332: DVD-R's can really only to be written to once, can you session it? although they are cheaper than RW's.

No, DVDs are not multi-session capable for all I know. Any space not used right away is lost.
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:33 pm

Well it sounds like DVD would be SAFEST, no? I mean all backups acan fail, but hte only failure I can envision with the DVD back up option is that you might lose or break the DVD. How else would or could that fail?

AN exteranl hard drive failing I can see. But isn't a DVD external firewise backup safest? As long as I throw those DVDs into a fireproof safe?









Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
UTA_flyinghigh
Posts: 6304
Joined: Wed Oct 03, 2001 8:46 pm

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Fi

Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:39 pm

There is no foolproof way as even burned media (CD's, DVD's, etc..) can go bad over time.
Best is to be proactive and install do a automatic Ghost image every once in a while, or better yet, have a RAID system installed on your computer.
That's what and I have and it works like a charm, I had a couple of HD failures but the rebuild took care of that  Smile

UTA
Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
 
User avatar
HAWK21M
Posts: 29867
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 10:05 pm

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:25 pm

Buy a second HDD.
regds
MEL
I may not win often, but I damn well never lose!!! ;)
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:07 am

Best is to be proactive and install do a automatic Ghost image every once in a while, or better yet, have a RAID system installed on your computer.

How do I even begin to find info how how to do either of these 2 things?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
saxdiva
Posts: 2329
Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:51 pm

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Fi

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:44 am

How can a CD or DVD fail?

Well, they can get attacked, for starters:



I've got a RAID array on this system (my motherboard has onboard RAID support), but my husband has an older P4 running Win2000. I set him up with a 160GB external hard drive, and set it to automatically mirror his documents folder every morning at 9AM (when he's usually at work). Works like a charm, gives you total redundancy, and we can hot-swap it from one computer to another without any trouble at all.

By they way, the external drive is USB 2.0 (and was also dirt cheap--about $60), but I would have considered spending a little more on a Firewire drive if he'd had a compatible port. Those things are screamers.

-Leanne
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

Canarsie VOR

Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:05 am

Canarsie VOR: I just bought a new desktop and was wondering how I would transfer my files from my old hard drive to the new one.

With Macs, you simply connect both computers with a FireWire cable, follow a few easy instructions in the setup and you´re done.

If you´re on Windows, you´re screwed anyway.  Wink/being sarcastic

But you could always try networking both systems and copying manually, overnight if necessary...
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:55 am

I am very much interested in this RAID concept, but where do I begin?
It sounds even better than a DVD burner with firewire
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:32 pm

A RAID array has advantages... but one of the disadvantages is that an electric surge, for instance, can kill your entire array in one stroke - primary and backup disks alike.

So you should know exactly which goals you´re trying to pursue. Periodic rotating backups with secure storage (in a safe, for instance), can be a better solution.
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:42 pm

Well, spoke to my IT guy again and though he uses all the above, he stll swears by and it always talking me into those magnetic tapes.

Those 40Gb magnetic tapes and just throw them in a fireproof safe. What do you think of those?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
COIAHLGW
Posts: 156
Joined: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:11 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:38 pm

In my computer, I have 2 hard drives, and use Ghost each week to make a complete clone of my original hard drive. I know in theory there's a possibility of losing a week's work, but that's no big deal for me anyway.

But to try and prevent a bad hard drive in the first place, I do have a surge protector and big backup UPS. So in theory, my CPU or hard drives do not get affected as much by the power dips and surges..... so far so good!
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:58 pm

I see the cons of using magnetic tapes, but what are the pros? I mean, our office's Computer guy is really advocating magnetic tapes to be saved in a fireproof box.

In the future, I do plan to install a DVD burner. But not in the next month.

SO pros/ cons to mag tapes?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
Dash8King
Posts: 2657
Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:45 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:01 am

If you back up somethign on CD that has a virus will the virus then go along with it? Also I am trying to remove a virus but it says to open a host with notepad and that wont work any suggestions?
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

Dash8King

Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:22 am

Dash8King: If you back up somethign on CD that has a virus will the virus then go along with it?

Depends on where the active component of the virus is hiding, what you´re backing up and how you´d restore it afterwards...

Under Windows many attackers are rooted in the registry, in the program directories or in auto-execute locations.


Dash8King: Also I am trying to remove a virus but it says to open a host with notepad and that wont work any suggestions?

Get a Macintosh. Sorry, but it´s the only long-term solution. No sense in plugging the same old rusty bucket again and again and again. The whole Windows system concept with the registry is screwed up beyond salvation.

Apart from that, your statement is a little unspecific... Exactly who is telling you exactly what and under exactly which circumstances?
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:34 am

the guy who works our network in my office is giving me the advice.

he swears by mag tapes.

I though external drive or dvds were the best option.

so friggin confusing as to whats best.

RAID is good he said but thought it too much for a home computer.

now hes talking about my getting a laptop as a backup and having WIFI set up as soon as I move into the new house.

This is just going on and on and on!
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

Mirrodie

Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:02 am

Mirrodie: the guy who works our network in my office is giving me the advice. he swears by mag tapes.

In most cases, that´s way, way over the top. Tapes don´t age well, by the way, if you don´t store them in a climate-controlled environment. Data retrieval in case of a local flaw can be a problem as well. I´ve dealt with lost tape backups that became unreadable although the writer never complained.

Other kinds of media will usually be more realistic.


Mirrodie: I though external drive or dvds were the best option.

I´d agree with that. By far the most important aspects of backups are these:

• You´ll need to actually make them - and regularly!

• Know what the selected media type is good for and where its potential weaknesses are so you can take care to avoid them. (Renew media that might wear out, store in a "safe" climate.)

• If you´re using (relatively) cheap media, make multiple backups (at least two or three, overwriting the oldest one next if you´re using rewritable media)!

• Don´t try to save on media for critical backups; The cheapest manufacturer may not serve you best. No sense in saving here and regretting it later.

• Be paranoid! Always verify your backups if there is such an option and check for actual readability so they won´t forsake you in the hour of need.

• Store your backups in a different location. If both your computer and your backups are destroyed by the same fire/flood/burglary, you´d be out of luck.

• And again: Don´t forget to actually make backups!  Wink/being sarcastic


Mirrodie: RAID is good he said but thought it too much for a home computer.

It won´t help against any of the more likely risks and only make sense for a high-availability server. Which has separate backups for actual safety anyway. RAID is not for real backups, only for continued immediate availability if the proper RAID level is used.


Mirrodie: now hes talking about my getting a laptop as a backup and having WIFI set up as soon as I move into the new house.

It could help a little as well, but only as a relatively weak additional layer of backup. By the way: An unsecured WiFi network or a stolen laptop could compromise any sensitive data you´d have, so please take security precautions on top of regular backups...


Mirrodie: This is just going on and on and on!

Relax... (while wisely staying paranoid, of course  Wink/being sarcastic)

Just decide on a realistic and workable option, actually make regular backups, store them in a separate, safe and secure location and remember to replace aging media early (by shifting them to a less-sensitive use, for instance).

CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW could serve you well; The primary layer of safety is not in the media but in the way you´re using them!

[Edited 2004-12-31 02:10:54]
 
whitehatter
Posts: 5180
Joined: Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:52 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Fi

Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:11 am

A second hard drive is a neat solution as they are cheap and easy to install. 200GB or more is available, 120GB ones common and inexpensive.

Same with DVD backup. The drives are now becoming totally affordable and the disks cheap enough. I recently got a standalone one for replacing the VCR which uses the DVD-RAM disk, 4.7GB and guaranteed for 100,000 or more recordings. Some of the new DVD writers will be able to use those disks which are way more robust than DVD-RW or DVD+RW rewritables.

Personally for someone looking for a quick and simple fix I'd recommend another hard disk.
Lead me not into temptation, I can find my own way there...
 
Klaus
Posts: 20578
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:41 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:21 am

Please remember that on a screwup such as bad cable connection or another hardware malfunction you will run the risk of losing integrity of both the original and the backup when both are connected at the same time. Not speaking of the shared vulnerability against surges, viruses and other factors.

Having only a single backup is always a very bad idea. You´ve got a critical (and potentially fatal) phase whenever you´re overwriting your previous copy with a new one.

Also remember that you might be forced to use the backup in a situation where it´s unclear how reliable your system may be. Without a hardware write protection option a harddisk would not be a good backup in such cases or your backup might become damaged or infected as well.

At least two rotating backups are much better. If you can afford multiple harddisks, fine. But CDs/DVDs are much less vulnerable (even the RWs will usually not be damaged as easily).
 
splitzer
Posts: 151
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:37 am

RE: What's The Best, Quickest Way To Back Up My Files?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 12:22 pm

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Personally, I'd say your choice was between the DVD Writer and Tape Drive, however go with the DVD because -

Cheap (£45 for a drive, £1-£1.50 for blank discs. CAN be re-recorded, if RW discs are used)

Capacity - 4.5gb - you'd currently need 6 to backup your entire system, but if you're just backing up files or using a utility like Ghost (which takes an image of your hard disk), you could probably fit it on much less - especially if you compress the data. Also, dual layer writers are available, and are only slightly more expensive whilst offering an 8.5gb capacity.

Backup media can be stored off site.

Less chance of failure than magnetic tapes or hard disks - less moving parts, not affected by magnetic fields causing them to degrade over time (at least faster than DVD's do), become corrupted or just break.

If the drive itself breaks, you can still read the backups on another computer (provided it has a DVD drive - which most do unless they're an antique  Big thumbs up).

Multiple backup copies can be made for little extra cost and stored in several separate location - unlike the hard disk.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

About the magnetic tape drives - they're more robust than hard disks while having a MASSIVE data capacity for backups (some hold 400gb - which is probably why your server guy recommends them), but they're rarely used in the desktop environment - which means the media is more expensive (£1.50 for a DVD vs. £10 for a tape), the drives are more expensive (at least double DVD drive cost) and if the drive itself breaks, you've got to get another before you can access your data - chances are you know someone with a computer that can access your DVD backups though.


Well that's my opinion anyway  Big grin

Here is a link that may be of interest: http://www4.tomshardware.com/storage/20041102/index.html

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Acheron, Aesma, EA CO AS, jpetekyxmd80 and 19 guests