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Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:00 pm

It seems that people who watch "Fox News" know less of what ACTUALLY happens in the world than people who watch other channels like CBS, ABC etc. How? "Fox News" lie to you...! "Fox News" say: "We report, you decide". That is wrong! "We decide, and you do as we say" should be the real slogan.
So why do you watch it??????????????????????????
 
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:12 pm

I don't have cable so I can't watch it.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:14 pm

too bad L-188, you'd love it.
 
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Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:32 pm

Hate that pissant O´Reilly  Laugh out loud

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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:46 pm

I probably would.

It sure would be better then My Socialist News Broadcasting Company, Clinton's News Network, See-BS and the others.

Of course some of our European freinds who have grown up watching left wing news only recognize that at centerist.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:32 pm

It seems that people who watch "Fox News" know less of what ACTUALLY happens in the world than people who watch other channels like CBS, ABC etc.

Please back your statement up with facts.......!!! Where did you get your information, what are you baseing this on..??
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:36 pm

It's an ASSumption he's making. Just like the rest of the lemmings. Fact is, informed watchers also watch MSNBC and CNN. It's called being informed by both sides.
 
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Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:21 pm

I love to see those "facts" backed up...... Should be good for a laugh.
 
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:22 am

While I unfortunately cannot watch anything more than the webcasts on the Fox News website, I find it a valuable source of information. If you watch CNN, and then the report on the same incident on Fox, there will frequently be little tidbits of information that got left out of CNN's report, because it did not fit their editorial slant.

And a poll from the FT seems to indicate that it is in fact more balanced than other stations, in terms of how many people from either side of the spectrum trust it. Taking the poll numbers on credibility, it appears to be 5 points to the right of center. CNN is 19 points to the left, NBC is 13 points to the left, ABC is 18 points to the left, and CBS is again 19 points to the left of center. The difference to you might be striking because you are not used to hearing news that is not so left-leaning, which you now think is fair. It's called brainwashing, and the media have done it for years.



All the networks should be watched, and the more diverse their opinions, the better. It is impossible to be entirely objective on all issues, so the best you can do is watch all of them, and know that the real truth is somewhere between the two.

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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:05 am

I've actually watched all major news networks of the US.

Yes, it's true that MSNBC skews pro-left, Hardball is harsher on conservatives than liberals. It's true that FOX skews pro-right, Hannity and Colmes is dominated by Sean Hannity's daily GOP fillibusters. CNN? They used to be left of center but ever since Fox News rose they have tamed somewhat to compete. That is not the problem IMO, and I've mentioned this before. Private companies should be allowed to spouse whatever ideologies they wish.

The problem is that the US media claims to be fair and objective. And they go further: they actually boast on being more objective than media in the rest of the world, and they call European media 'biased'. I've heard this certainly on FOX, also on MSNBC, less so on CNN but nontheless have.

That's were they cross the line. US media is not fair and objective, end of story. If you watched only them, you would conclude that the United States is always right and everyone else is always wrong... The US must be populated by a race of infallible Gods. That's just pathetic. I can give 10 examples of this. They do a good job on investigative stories, like the UN corruption, etc, but do no investigations at all of their own local corruption.

Currently, European media has anti-American tones, at least from what I have watched, though much of that is more anti-Bush than anti-American (which in a way can't be separated). I can't say if Euro news outlets are claiming to be fair and objective, but if they are they are wrong too.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:10 am

Well, once again CFalk has re-earned his respect rating from me. I am a person who will happily stand and refute your claim that Fox News viewers are misinformed and stupid.

The slant from CNN grew more obvious over the last six or seven years and can be identified with their editorial decisions including the Tailwind episode, to which I can speak as I met the guy prior to all that and knew after 5 minutes he was full of crap. The political bent of the producers at CNN has been well known and creeps, hell sometimes it flows into their stories.

I do agree with the above poster who said one must search through all the channels to see what stories are being slanted and which way. Usually the only reliable means to verify is to find out the common things being said by all.

I have found Fox News to be the ones that point out factual parts of stories not reported by other news agencies that seem to affect how the story will be interpreted. No one does this with Fox, as they usually don't leave out pertinent facts. THeir editorial and feature players come from both ends, and there are not many hardcore political operatives who work in the media while working the media. At least Fox's commentators don't play both sides of the reporting fence. I think it is nothing more than a political endorsement to employ a paid political operative of one side or the other. Talk show hosts who owe allegiance to the network and their viewers of either political persuasion are one thing, paid advisors to the Kerry campaign working for CNN is another.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:12 am

I agree with Jeff..........let's see some backing to these statements of yours.

I'm ready for a laugh as well.



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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:14 am

I'll take MSNBC over FAUX News anyday. Nothing I hate more than slanted news channels, and I feel that MSNBC is the least slanted of them all IMO.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:38 am

Nothing I hate more than slanted news channels

Really, Usairwys757? Then you must hate CNN just as much as FOX, huh?



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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:58 am

Just about as much NWA, CNN becomes more Liberal slanted everyday. I cant hardly watch it anymore, even though I'm a Democrat.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:24 am

None of your global news channels is really interested in journalism.
All of them are huge conglomerates targeting audiences and making their advertising time as sellable and as expensive as possible.
Business interests are what colors your screens, not apolitical journalism or the primitive "just reporting what I saw with my two eyes", especially in these highly "patriotic" times. End of story.

CNN has followed an interesting center>right>center>left navigation in the last years. I guess all their anchormen/women have gone through regular retraining courses.
Fox employees on the other hand remained straight on their course, just past the edge of the tolerable.
 
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:26 am

Just about as much NWA, CNN becomes more Liberal slanted everyday. I cant hardly watch it anymore, even though I'm a Democrat.

I'm honestly very surprised to here that coming from you.




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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:04 am

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf This is probably the study that Bofredrik is referring to, sorry I can't cut and paste, it's a PDF. In general the study analyzes people's beliefs about the reasons for going to war with Iraq - cooperation with Al Qaeda, WMDs as well as world opinion of the US. The Fox viewers had the most misperceptions. More of them thought that there were proven strong ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, that we had found large stockpiles of WMDs and that world opinion was much higher of the US than it really is. They also analyzed the results accounting for education and political affiliation. It's actually pretty interesting.
 
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:30 am

I'll stick to only watching the Daily Show for my news on the television, otherwise I'll get my news from the Associated Press online.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:33 pm

Even if the alleged bias exists (which I think it doesn't), why would it be a bad thing? In my opinion, a bias is good, because it forces you to think, and consider the validity of statements.

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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:56 pm

My beef with Fox News isn't its slant.. it's the fact that it's not really news.

All Fox News has done is to televise talk radio.

Take your everyday newscast.. it *used to go* something like this:

Anchor: "Today in Bosnia, there was... from Sarajevo, here's...." and you'd see a story from Bosnia.

Then..

Anchor: "In other news, there was an election today in Mexico.. from Mexico City, here's...." and you'd see a story from Mexico.

Basically, the news gave you the news. What Fox News does is closer to this:

Anchor: "Stunning developments today in the Scott Peterson trial.. we're going to spend the next 15 minutes with four 'experts' to tell us what they think about it." Inevitably, those people will end up arguing. And everyone likes to watch people argue with each other - that's why reality tv is so popular.

After those 15 minutes are up, you'll get this:

Anchor: "John Kerry attacked the President's position on Iraq today... We're going to spend the next 15 minutes with four more 'experts' to 'analyze' today's events."

So, in actuality, it's not Fox News, it's Fox Opinion. To be fair, it may not be their opinion - though oftentimes it is - but it's someone's. This is the same format that a lot of local talk radio programs have used for some time now.

The problem is this: that format has become so popular it's the standard.. now CNN does the same thing.

If you think I'm way off here, watch either of those networks for one hour and count how many times you hear the phrase "I think".

Meanwhile, real news is relegated to a 60 second "hop around the globe." At this rate, we're going to see a resurgence in the popularity of newspapers, because some of us actually want to find out what's going on without an "I think" from somebody else.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:14 pm

Watch TV and you become dumber, period.
 
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:15 pm

I heard an interesting comment from Jon Stewart from the Daily Show (Comedy Central). I don't have a direct quote, but he said something like "The media isn't liberal...its lazy".

He is so right. The fact is, newspapers and television news shows are interested only in ratings. Their constant race for market share is the source of the nuttiness, not any liberal or conservative bias.

 
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:17 pm

And explain to me why the so called "moderate mainstream US media" refuses to show the "Stolen Honor" documentary that shows how Kerry's Perjurous testimony about the Vietnam war was used by the Gooks to torture our servicemen being held prisoner.
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:25 pm

L-188:

I don't see them showing Farenheit 9/11 either.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:26 pm

Well there is a good reason for that.

Moore's picture isn't based on reality, truth, facts or history.

This one is.
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:42 pm

According to Aftonbladet today O´Reilly had a threesome w SAS stewardess and he´s been siud for lots of $$$$$$$$$!!!

Hope he gets busted, that pompus a$$  Laugh out loud

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Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:42 am

O'Reilly IS a pompous asshole, that much I'll give you. But he's usually a CORRECT pompous asshole.

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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:00 am

FOX news is just not professional enough for me, i don't like the way in which they take the piss out of other countries and act as if they are of course correct. I just love the whole "fair and balanced", haha BS, ahh hello, someone should tell them to take that waving american flag out of the top left hand corner if they want to be "fair", talk about biased. And don't even talk about calling it "Old Europe" like FOX does, please, give me a break, i'm pretty sure both sides could reel off long lists of crap, but old, i think not.

I know alot of people will probably laugh when i write this, but when i log onto BBC news i at least get news about the world, just reported as it is, no slant, no hype, just news. Same with SKY news, which is actually run by the same bloke who owns FOX!

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Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:13 am

Aftonbladet?? Now THAT'S a newssource to be proud of!! They'd better change it into Skvallerbladet.

I guess you'd be better of with FOX then!
 
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Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:18 am

How do you get Fox News Channel in Europe? Is it commonly available instead of Sky NEws on the satellite networks?

I am wondering because there are certainly a good number of Euros on this thread with an opinion on the channel.
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Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:34 am

I don't have FOX. Last time I heard about them was when the local news showed that they have put the FOX channell next to the toilets at the Democratic Convention because it's the most rightwing channel (I'll leave in the middle if that's true or not).

Don't know about the others but the cable in the Netherlands only Covers NBC (in the early morning) and CNN Europe.

So I don't have an opinion either, but I do know Aftonbladet, and if you are going to quote news from there about O Reilly, well you are not making much of a statement about unreliable newssources.
 
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Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:39 am

Anyone else, or are our European members dogging Fox News without seeing it? It would not be unprecedented...I remember Solnabo having F911 as part of his signature line prior to its release. Just guessing and assuming I would say, like another famous Swede we all know.
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Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:44 am

Despite being a Republican, I dislike Fox News. I find the stories disjointed and find they spend far too much time promoting themselves.

I prefer to just watch the evening BBC World News, because it picks up any US news stories important enough for me to care about and leaves out all the crap like Scott Petersen, Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, etc., that has no bearing on my life. BBC also acknowledges there is a world outside of the US.
 
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Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:37 pm

DI021, not instead of Sky News, as well as. In the UK, at least, you can get Fox News on digital satellite and cable. I don't doubt for a second that the various controversies hae actually encouraged people here to watch it and see what the fuss is all about. Personally, I think it's crap, but I can see why it's popular. The Sun's popular too.
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Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:04 am

Believe it or not but the Dutch TV broadcasted a US documentary about FOX yesterdayevening. (see: http://www.outfoxed.org/). So It's time for some more European critisism.

Let me first say that there was only 1hr of footage I saw which may not be representative for the rest of what FOX broadcasts... As the fact that documentaries like these or Fahrenheit 911, Supersize me report mainly from 1 different point of view (based on facts though). But there are several things that concern me about FOX. And let me point out, I am basing on broadcasted facts.

- They tell people to SHUT UP. It's not polite and they don't let people finish with what they are talking about.

- Independent research showed that Fox viewers compared to Public Access viewers had very different opinions about news facts.
For instance: Do you think the rest of the world agrees with the war in Iraq?
Public access viewers: 5% thinks they do, Fox viewers: 35% thinks they do.

A similar percentage of viewers thinks weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq.

As far as I know most of the world is still against Iraq (notice, the question is not about if the war is justified, but what the opinion of the war in other countries). And as far as I know there are no weapons of mass destruction (they didn't find them, though I wouldn't be surprised if they have hidden away something)

- They say this sentence.. "Goodevening, it's 108 days left before we re-elect our president". Are you allowed to actually say that?? You openly speak out to your viewers that Bush will be re-elected.
Well, that's the guys own decision, but to say that in public on TV and with the slogan "We Report YOU Choose!" is misleading. Even more misleading if you mention the "Fair and Balanced" reports.

- Calling Kerry, French John Kerry is not very fair.. (nor is it fair for France) that's mud throwing. They don't call Bush, German George Bush.. (sounds catchy) do they??

- Completely incorrect is that that O Reilly guy actually says "cut off his mic"! Same as the Shut-up issue, not fair.. don't treat your guests like that, his guests may be wrong, but it looks highly suspicious this way.

- Doubtfull issue: There are confidential notes indicating what news they have to report, they advice (very subtile and politically correct) to choose party.. or start rumours.
A presenter who didn't stick to one of the notes saying "palestinian suicidebombers are now to be called humicidebombers" got fired because he said: suicidebombers are always humicidebombers, because they die themselves".

These things are not what I expect from a TV station, whether it is FOX backing Bush or CNN backing Kerry, or CNBC backing Nader. You should remain independent. Ad I don't say it's just FOX doing this kind of stuff.. China blocked the broadcast of CNN when they reported about the student revolution XX years ago.

In Europe some TV stations sometimes tend to be more positive about Kerry then Bush (though keep in mind, that we do not vote for these guys... I never see things like these when it comes to our own elections). Though we do hear that Kerry voted for the war in Iraq as well, and that he is not very stabile.

Still, according to me, FOX does make mistakes in what they do. All parties deserve an equal chance of competing against each other, don't let that be spoiled by any media.
 
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Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:41 am

IMO, Fox news does promote itself way too much. I don't like how they report the news either. They dumb it down like you're a 5 year-old. Whenever I watch FOX news here in Phoenix, and there's something like a car accident, they make a huge deal about it catching fire. They'll show this car in flames and rant and rave about how it caught fire. WTF? call me leftist if I read/watch CNN, MSNBC. The most fair news you can get is from Google. They group all news sources into one place.
 
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RE: Watch "Fox News" And Know Less...

Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:50 am

"According to Aftonbladet today O´Reilly had a threesome w SAS stewardess and he´s been siud for lots of$"

Depending on what they looked like, it may have been worth the money.

I even lean a little to the right and I think Faux news is pretty absurd. I also think most of the other dedicated news channels are absurd.

Maybe after the election I will go back to watching tv news, but none of it is worth my time at the moment.

BTW I am still waiting on the facts to back up the thread starter? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:08 am

Dl021,

For your information, this side of the world is covered by a couple of dozen DTH satellites.
Besides tv channels targeting their domestic audiences at home and abroad (eg. Luxemburg), a big lot of channels are using these platforms to broadcast
all around, increase their "audience masses" and levy higher adverts rates (expressed in k$ per second).
I "only" got some 1,150 tv channels (+ 750 radio) from the two of these satellites I am interested in. (Astra 1 at 19E and Hotbird 1 at 19E)
This allow me to view channels from the US, Cuba, Chile, China, Japan, Thailand, India, Bangla Desh, Azerbaijan, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Morocco,....and the list is very very long.

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