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Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:50 pm

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Contrary to popular belief in the United States, Rifkin says, all these social guarantees have not stopped Europe from competing successfully in the global marketplace. The European Union is the largest exporting economy in the world. The EU's $10.5 trillion GDP exceeds that of the United States. In many industries, European enterprises have overtaken American businesses (think of Airbus and Boeing). Europeans are pretty good at saving money while the American economy teeters precariously on a mountain of foreign-owned debt. And, even with those shorter work hours and long vacations, European workers' productivity now matches or exceeds that of Americans.

We may think they are nuts to pay such high taxes, but they think we are crazy to work so hard and have so little time to enjoy life. Rifkin thinks Europe may be the new model for the world. What do you think?


In my opinion the US economy and it´s free market ideals are already changing at this moment... so are the minds of its population..




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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:56 pm

Maybe it´s time to cut the naval coard.

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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:01 pm

With the US torn up the way it is, I believe so. We're on the brink of a political civil war.
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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:03 pm

Numbers can not say it all, it is about the freedom and happiness in life that Europeans do not have.
 
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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:05 pm

it is about the freedom and happiness in life that Europeans do not have.

One of the funniest things ever written on here. If you're so sure the US is better than Europe, why do you live here?
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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:06 pm

it is about the freedom and happiness in life that Europeans do not have.

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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:57 pm

Well talking about Andorra ... there could indeed be a lack of freedom and happiness. But living in Stockholm shouldn't be that bad.

Back to the topic: I dislike those thoughts about how one country or a union of countries can form a role models for other nations. Liberty, safety, freedom, democracy, equal rights and - yes - happiness are global values but not the European or Us American understanding of social welfare or taxation.
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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:08 pm

The people's mind in the USA is still very odd seen from an European point of view.
Just look at their president, he wouldn't have a slight chance in Europe, especially with BS like "God gave me the mission ...".
 
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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:08 pm

Europeans are pretty good at saving money while the American economy teeters precariously on a mountain of foreign-owned debt.

Americans "keep" the overwhelming majority of their wealth in housing.
 
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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 pm

Some of the points about Europe vs. the United States are interesting, but I'd be rather less suspicious if the source were someone other than Jeremy Rifkin. He's the sort of person who's made a career out of saying and writing how bad American society is.
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RE: Can Europe Teach The American Dream?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:55 pm

from my experiences living in the US vs. germany i am tempted to state the following thesis:

if you are part of the top 15 % (income, intelligence, education...), living in the US is probably better than living in germany. you have lower taxes and you can afford a superior lifestile.

if you are a part of the rest (or even the lower 15%), germany would be a better place to live. in germany, the rich are forced to subsidise a better lifestile of the rest of society. you dont have to worry about health insurance (and from my personal experience, i can tell you that the german socialised medicine is in an extremely good shape compared to average american services), you dont have to work that much, i actually think you have more freedom just because of that.





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