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58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:28 am

The US Presidential election is getting uglier by the day. After Ohio, where Republicans have (fortunately) failed to prevent thousands of people from exerting their right to vote, it's now in Florida that 58,000 ballots, that were supposed to mailed out on Oct. 7 and 8 to Broward County, could be missing.
http://www.local10.com/politics/3854230/detail.html

I understand that Broward County (mainly FLL) is a very large Democrat stronghold in Florida.

I'm really not convince that Americans will know on November 3rd who their next president will be.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:36 am

Anyone surprised inhere?

I´m not  Insane

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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:37 am

"The postal service told Local 10 late Tuesday that they don't have 58,000 ballots floating around. They did say that they have several employees assigned to deal only with ballots and they are being delivered in one to two days -- once they get them."

..so.... who didn't bring them to the post office?

"the elections office is now suggesting that they take the opportunity to vote early."

no brainer....
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:47 am

"After Ohio, where Republicans have (fortunately) failed to prevent thousands of people from exerting their right to vote"

What happened?
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:55 am

A recent study reported 98% of dead people vote Democratic.

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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:59 am

JeffM, Techrep,

Is that the best you can contribute to this thread? Here we have 58,000 people who have no recieved their absentee ballots yet, in the SAME counties that there were fiascos in last year, and the best you can do is make wisecracks? Pathetic.

As for these ballots, if these people don't recieve their absentee ballots on time, expect and uproar and a complete mess in Florida. They should have the right to vote and nothing should stop them, not political intervention or post office messup.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:01 am

In related news, imagine what would happen if QB001 actually took as much interest in the elections of his own country as he does the US'.
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:09 am

KROC,

You're starting to sound like others in this forum, can't you at least comment on the thread? He brought up something serious, what do you say about the missing ballots? Or are you just going to choose to ignore it? Try again dude.

If you don't want to comment on it, fine, but don't ridicule the guy for bringing it up.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:12 am

It doesn't sound good at all.
And as the Liberal I am its hard to say this, but wasn't it the Democrats own fault? Wasn't there a lady who was suppose to bring them there? Big grin
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:36 am

Tbar - All I ever see Qb001 post is nonstop threads about the U.S. Election, or how evil Bush is, or how the U.S. has its nose somewhere etc. Maybe he should worry about his own country for a change.
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:10 am

The fact of the matter is that even if 58,000 absentee ballots weren't sent, that DOES NOT MEAN THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE HAS BEEN SUPPRESSED.

It just means they can't vote via absentee ballot. These people can STILL exercise their right to vote by showing up at the polls on November 2nd.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:21 am

College students, our uniformed men and women, and civil servants abroad can hardly show up on November 2nd. Their rights have, effectively, been suppressed.

Blaming this on the Democrats is stupid. Broward is a mainly Democratic county. It would be political suicide to intentionally f things up.

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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:22 am

Blaming Democrats or Republicans for what appears to be yet another election mess is pointless.

The reality is that we, the United States of America, have made ourselves the laughing stock of the world in recent years when it comes to the ballot box. We can put a man on the moon, develop some of the world's best technology, put powerful computers in the homes of most Americans, and we lack the courage, ethics, common sense, and tenacity to build a uniform electoral process that is immune to fraud. Lets not get started on the issue of how voting is a local issue. A lot of things are local issues, but there is uniformity across the US. Certification of medical professionals is a local issue, yet there is considerable uniformity across the US. The ONLY reason - even after the disgrace of 2000 (whatever you believe the real outcome of that race was) - we do not have a fraud resistant electoral process is because politicians prefer a process that is open to manipulation.

Our stock in the world has plummeted with our misguided adventures in Iraq, and if this election is contested, any attempts by the US to preach the virtues of democracy will be ridiculed by even the worst dictators.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:25 am

If this were any other country in the world, we'd have pointed and laughed and officially denounced their elections as fixed.

Nowhere else in the world would the US stand idly by and watch a jurisdiction ruled by the brother of the incumbent leader allow free elections to fall to pieces awash in scandal.

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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:39 am

"Nowhere else in the world would the US stand idly by and watch a jurisdiction ruled by the brother of the incumbent leader allow free elections to fall to pieces awash in scandal."

And given the joke that we have become, I doubt if we ever could again.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:51 am

All I ever see Qb001 post is nonstop threads about the U.S. Election, or how evil Bush is, or how the U.S. has its nose somewhere etc. Maybe he should worry about his own country for a change.

There is no federal election in Canada as we speak. And when there was some, I posted about it considerably, as documented by this.

Talk about putting your foot in your mouth...
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:03 am

"After Ohio, where Republicans have (fortunately) failed to prevent thousands of people from exerting their right to vote"

What happened?


A federal judge in Cincinnati has halted hearings on Ohio voter registration challenges, ruling in favor of Democrats who say the challenges are a GOP attempt to keep legitimate votes from counting.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:17 am

I know there was a discussion about the Dems wanted Election inspectors from the UN. Did they ever agree with the GOP about that or what?
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:20 am

"I know there was a discussion about the Dems wanted Election inspectors from the UN. Did they ever agree with the GOP about that or what?"

We don't need UN election inspectors.

We NEED to get our own democracy back from the clutches of our own red, white and blue thugs.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:28 am

A recent study reported 98% of dead people vote Democratic.

The same study reported 98% of dumb people vote Republican...

Sorry I couldn't resist.....

All I ever see Qb001 post is nonstop threads about the U.S. Election, or how evil Bush is, or how the U.S. has its nose somewhere etc. Maybe he should worry about his own country for a change.

Us Canadians were quite concerned and vocal during the Canadian federal election earlier this year. The reason you didn't realize it is that it was all done in about 2 months. Unlike the marathon circus show that is the American election.

Yes I said "circus". There are elephants, donkeys, clowns, freaks, and now a disappearing act. All you need is to have someone shot out of a cannon and you could charge admission.

How on earth, with all the past problems and the scrutiny afforded this issue, especially in Florida, can this happen?

Its all quite mesmerizing. But more in the context of watching an airplane careen into a mountain out of control than watching a circus really…

Yes I said "circus". There are elephants, donkeys, clowns, dare-devils, and now a disapearing act.
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:43 am

I know there was a discussion about the Dems wanted Election inspectors from the UN. Did they ever agree with the GOP about that or what?


There will be DOJ election inspectors that are charged with upholding the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:48 am

Well done QB. 1 thread compared to the numerous threads you have started on American Politics. It's too bad Captoveur is on vacation because his Obsession picture would be perfect in here right about now.
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:55 am

Nice put Airplay,

I couldn't have said it better myself. I just feel sorry for the american people. They are the ones who has to go thru this. It must be irritating that the Greatest country in the world don't know how to have an election without making a fool of them selves infront of the rest of the world.

I think there will be more of this the noext couple of days unfortunatly.  Sad
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:03 am

It's too bad Captoveur is on vacation because his Obsession picture would be perfect in here right about now.

Well, allow me.

Since you seem to have a strange "girly" attraction to perfume, I've found something that will both satisfy this fantasy of yours and illustrate what I think about your opinion, although in a slightly dyslexic way.

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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:45 am

I just got back from voting early here in FL. In the 3 hours it took me to vote at least 1,000 people were there at all times. The line streched from the voting booths on the second floor all the way into the hall into the stairs and back into the first floor lobby where it wound around and ended about 100 feet outside the door(whew!). There probably would have been more but parking in downtown Gainesville is tough to come by.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:20 am

:They should have the right to vote and nothing should stop them, not political intervention or post office messup."

Tbar, show me something that proves there was intervention and or a "messup" by the post office? Give me a break, I doubt your liberal mind can even fathom something other then pointing your finger in blame.
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:54 am

CNN Headline news reported today that the postal service did find several thousand of the missing ballots in Broward today.

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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:56 pm

even the fiasco that is the US elections has made it's way down here, i've heard that the computer ballot boxes are so easy to hack into that all you need is the key to open them, insert a keyboard, presto your in, i mean what kind of country has EX amount of ways of voting within the same state.

Jaysit, i agree with what you said 100%, the US democratic and electoral system has become nothing more than a circus, we had close to 13 million people vote 3 weeks ago, a uniform system across the country, compulsory voting system meaning everyone enrolled must vote, and a result within 24 hours, yet the supposed greatest democracy of them all can't even get it's voting system right.  Big grin

and i just recently read that in 2000 a list of about 20000 felons from Florida weren't able to vote. only way they are allowed is to apply to the governor, even if you've served your time you still have to apply to the governor, and whats worse, they tried to use the same list, which had only names on it, if your name is as common as John Smith and he has a felony conviction that pretty much means that no John Smith can vote.

it really does make you wonder.

http://www6.sbs.com.au/dateline/index.php?page=archive&daysum=2004-10-27# read the transcript of the bottom story, it's so stupid it makes you laugh.
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:43 pm

A recent study reported 98% of dead people vote Democratic.

The same study reported 98% of dumb people vote Republican...

And in a more recent study, 98% of Canadians come to America for medical treatment. Why else would one of the US's largest hospitals be located in North Dakota???
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:48 pm

Why else would one of the US's largest hospitals be located in North Dakota???

So that this place can have SOMETHING to be proud of? There's certainly nothing else to shout about.

North Dakota - the humongous hospital state. Kind of has a nice ring to it.  Smile
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:55 pm

The thing many people who claim to be so interested in American politics forget, is that our government is made to have checks and balances. Everyone talks about the "fiasco" and the "mess" that American politics is, but they fail to realize that all of this is a result of checks and balances. If we expected to know who the president was the day after the election, we would have them inaugurated on November 3rd. But we don't, we have them inaugurated in late January so if anything happens, we can fix it. Whether you agree or disagree, that's your opinion and you're completely entitled to it, but realize something so important as a presidential election is not supposed to be as simple as so many of you seem to think.

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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:12 pm

"And in a more recent study, 98% of Canadians come to America for medical treatment." riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight........  Insane

Who's citizens are flooding the border crossings looking for flu shots and or affordable prescription drugs? Thought so.....
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:18 pm

"..Who's citizens are flooding the border crossings looking for flu shots and or affordable prescription drugs?"

Probably our Mexican friends that don't know when to stop....  Big grin


Flooding the border? LOL....
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:53 pm

JeffM,

Tbar, show me something that proves there was intervention and or a "messup" by the post office?

Um, you're kidding right? Ok, lets do this logically, something I don't think you're conservative mind can fathom  Yeah sure

These people ordered their ballots weeks ago, and they haven't recieved them yet. What are the possible reasons for this?

1. The post office mishandled their ballots.
2. The political office responsible for them screwed up and didn't send them.
3. The ballots were sent to the wrong addresses.

And last but not least, *GASP*

4. Political parties intervened to stop these people from getting their ballots, omg, dirty politics? Is this possible?

Stop being so idiotic and making this a black and white, conservative vs. liberal issue, this is a civil rights issue, that thousands of people may have their right to vote revoked because of some reason or another, and that is just wrong. Somebody needs to be held accountable for this, and if Lord forbid this has political influence, somebody's head should roll (not literally).

Now please for the love of God try and address the points I've made instead of just singling out one thing you disagree with.
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:11 pm

Address the points? Seems like 1 - 4 above cover them. What do you want... the world to stop until the answer is found?

The answer you demand just might not be the one you think....  Big grin
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:42 pm

JeffM,

First you respond to my initial post by insulting me, but then when I make a valid argument your testosterone levels just don't allow you to admit that I might just have a valid argument. Finally you top it off with stupid sounding sarcasm, what's next?

If the answer to these missing ballots isn't what I think, why don't you take the time and make a constructive post to address the situation. Bet you can't do that...
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:06 pm

"..First you respond to my initial post by insulting me,.."

Never did anything like that... If you think I did.. oh well.

"but then when I make a valid argument "

sorry, I missed that part. It looked to me like you just listed four possible explanations. Nothing more. But it is obvious you believe there had to be foul play involved. Not everyone agrees with you.

"why don't you take the time and make a constructive post to address the situation."

Situation? Why not just give it a break and let those responsible sort it out? No amount of discussion on a tiny little web site will make any difference. True to your liberal ideals, you seem to believe blaming someone is a "plan".
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:12 pm

Guys guys guys.. Come on now. Kiss and make up now  Big grin

Isn't there already a liberal lady who has taken the responsibility for this? So ths case should be closed then.
 
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:21 pm

>>>A recent study reported 98% of dead people vote Democratic.<<< That's illegal.

>>>The same study reported 98% of dumb people vote Republican...<<< That's legal

>>>It must be irritating that the Greatest country in the world don't know how to have an election without making a fool of them selves infront of the rest of the world.<<<

Warts and all, we're a transparent society. Is the EU?
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RE: 58,000 Missing Ballots In Florida

Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:23 pm

And in a more recent study, 98% of Canadians come to America for medical treatment.

I live 50 miles from North Dakota. I don't know anybody that has travelled there for medical care. But strangely enough, I know some people from North Dakota who came to Winnipeg for certain treatments that they would otherwise have to travel great distances for. I guess I only know the 2% of Canadians that don't do this....

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