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Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:11 am

I just wanted to get a few things off of my mind, so here goes.

On Friday night I set out to go from LA to Irvine (about 60 miles) for a cultural program. The drive in the traffic left me tired, especially after a whole day of work. The program ended around 2:00am and I went to drop off my girlfriend. From there I headed home and about halfway home to Corona (my home) I began to feel extremely drowsy. After getting off of the freeway I think I was in a daze because the next thing I remember is a loud bang and the trunk of a small tree going over the windshield of my car. As the airbags deployed I went for the brakes as my car hit a second tree. Amazingly I was completely conscious then and as soon as my car stopped. The powdery smoke and smell from the airbags scared my shitless as I tried to open my door but couldn't get out since the tree stump was blocking it. I ended up opening the window and climbing out. After looking at the damage, I had downed 2 small trees and both the fenders of the car were completely destroyed. Luckily it turned out that I came out without a scratch, except for a bruise near my tailbone.

So this brings me to my next point. I can't help but tip my hat to the engineers at Honda/Acura for engineering a safe car. I loved that car and in the end she saved me. But even more than that, I can't stop thinking that there was somebody up there that kept me safe...kept me awake while I was on the freeway and kept me out of extreme danger. Before last Friday I had faith, but that event just knocked even more into me.

The question to all of you, has there ever been a moment in your life that has reaffirmed your faith in God or a higher being?
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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:23 am

So this brings me to my next point. I can't help but tip my hat to the engineers at Honda/Acura for engineering a safe car. I loved that car and in the end she saved me. But even more than that, I can't stop thinking that there was somebody up there that kept me safe...

Wow, Acura/Honda as a higher being???

What religion are you?!?!

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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:53 am

Well, first of all, good to hear you survived.  Big thumbs up

But second, how does it affirm your faith?
What about the family of five who did not happen to survive their accident? Did "god" choose to have them killed?

Or is it simply that those who have been lucky - basically favoured by pure chance and good engineering - choose to ascribe it to a higher being, cynically ignoring those who were less fortunate?

Sorry, but I just can´t stop thinking of the others whenever I hear a story like that.  Sad
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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:09 am

Wow, Acura/Honda as a higher being???

What religion are you?!?!

Haha, you know what I meant  Laugh out loud. I am Hindu btw.


Thanks for the well wishes. I know what you mean and you are probably right about what you said. But for some reason I can't help but shake the feeling that it was more than luck and good engineering that kept me safe and sound. Whatever it was the first thing I did before I slept that night is say a prayer. I suppose why others are less fortunate, I suppose it is one of those unanswered questions.
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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:36 am

Well, a car accident is the first thing that comes to mind for me, too.

I was driving across Pennsylvania with a paid passenger who I was only acquainted with through church, when I lost control of my car on a viaduct on I-80. There was a semi-trailer truck in the left lane and I was in the right lane, and either I drifted to the left or he to the right (to this day we're not sure) and next thing you know, the back end of his trailer slammed into the hood of my car. He kept going, but my car did two 360s, all the way across the highway, and hit both the front and back end against the far guardrail before stalling and drifting back across to the right.

As we drifted across the highway I looked in my rearview mirror and saw a hundred headlights bearing down on me. It was Thanksgiving weekend just after dark and may have been drizzling at the time... and I thought "now's when we get slammed," all the while I was saying to Dawn, "We're going to be okay. We're going to be okay." I had absolutely no reason to be able to say that, but I did.

And would you believe it, nobody hit my car; nobody hit anyone else; and after all of the forces and impacts, both Dawn and I walked away.

Even more miraculous was that the car was driveable, and we continued the trip. But a few hours later we were literally inching along the highway in a blinding rainstorm. I pulled over and the same state police officer who had taken our accident report at a rest area came up behind me... he was sure I had spun out again, and was relieved to find out we were okay... Then he told me that there was a terrible accident up ahead which closed the highway. We continued and passed the accident at about 11:00 PM, well behind schedule to get back to Cleveland that night.

Which is when Dawn told me she had a grandmother who lived somewhere close by. So we got off the highway and called her grandmother from a restaurant. Her grandmother was about 20 miles away, so I drove us to her house and we stayed overnight there.

In the morning, we continued the trip, and I was absolutely exhausted so I had to stop again so I wouldn't fall asleep at the wheel. Dawn was concerned that she was going to miss a morning lab. I said I would do my best but she called her roommate and asked for her to contact the professor.

Well, we did make it to campus literally in time for me to drop Dawn off at the door of the lab.

So many different things could have gone wrong on top of the initial accident. You might ask, "why didn't God stop the accident from happening?" Well, Dawn and I shared faith, and we both prayed together as soon as my car was safely on the shoulder. We knew we were lucky to have made it through uninjured. I believe that there were, in a sense, angels on the road that lined up all of those cars behind us and prevented them from causing a pile-up. God protected his faithful... $3500 in damage to my car in a "hit and run, other driver unidentified" is nothing compared to the lives that were at stake.

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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:10 pm

Everything happens for a reason. My friend got in a bad accident, and walked away (She hydroplaned and flipper her car into a ditch). But afterwards her dad told her that there must be a reason that this happened and that she was blessed to walk away unharmed. To me, there is a higher order to events that we mortals cant really understand.

Good to hear that you are safe-

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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:27 pm

threads like this always reaffirm my strong faith that religion is a very interesting phenomenom and that the people lured into it all have something in common.
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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:01 pm

Some time ago, I was driving my brother and I home from the store, near my house in our Toyota 4Runner. My parents were behind me, and we were waiting to make a left turn down a street. The light turned green for us, and I distinctly remember pausing for a few seconds...not the normal delay to take your foot off of the brake and go to the gas, but a good 4 or 5 second delay, and I wasnt thinking about it at the time...then some dumbass kid in a pickup came through the intersection, and what my dad estimated to be over 80mph(he is a San Diego Police Officer with over 25yrs. on the job....I trust his estimates). Had I gone right away, my brother and that side of the truck would have been decimated....I believe somebody was watching out for us that day.
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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:54 am

Zak - lured into it? Wrong. God found me, not the other way around. I was doing everything I could to be myself and fight through life on my own. Finally I realized I had to acknowledge the presence of God in my life.

Here's another story that's reaffirmed my faith (LONG):

(This is not a car accident story)

I was driving down a road I traveled very often at the time, when the cars ahead of me stopped short. Then the two cars ahead of me drove out and around something, and when I came to that place there was a man struggling to his feet, dragging his bicycle up on to the curb.

I decided to stop and check on him. I pulled my car into a commercial driveway a few yards away and parked it at the locked gate, leaving it there with the hazard lights flashing. I walked back to the guy and found him sitting on the tree lawn with his bicycle beside him. Traffic was moving again and nobody else had stopped.

"Hey, what happened?"
"I fell off my bike."
"Did you get hit?"
"Are you okay?"
"Do I look okay?"

By this time I was kneeling next to the guy, looking into his red, watery eyes. He smelled of alcohol.

"Do you want me to call an ambulance?"
"No. I'm drunk. I don't want to go to the hospital."
"Then I'm going to sit with you until you can get up, okay?"
Why am I doing this?

We sat there for a few minutes, and I kept talking to him, trying to double check whether there was anything else wrong aside from him being drunk.

"You know, I was trying to get to the bar over there."
"What bar?"
"The bar over there." He pointed a half-block farther down the road. "I just got out of the hospital... and I'm already drunk again."
"I'm sorry to hear that."
"I couldn't even make it from my apartment." He pointed an equal distance the other way, to a small apartment complex. "I'm so stupid."
What am I supposed to say to that?
"We all make mistakes."
"I miss my kids. My wife has them. She kicked me out."
"I'm sorry to hear that."
"I was going to clean up and I'm so stupid... I'm drunk again."
"Well, now you know you have to stop drinking. For real."
"You're right."
Do you really want me to do this?
"Well, if you trust in God, you can do it."

The man looked at me with the most pained expression, and as he spoke, I knew it was his heart, his soul, speaking, not the alcohol, because I could see it shining through his strikingly beautiful pale, blue eyes. "Will you tell me about God?"

I felt numb. Here I was, sitting with a guy I didn't know, on a main road with cars passing by, in front of someone's house, with my car parked just far enough away... but I wasn't scared. I felt like there was a reason I was trusting this unfamiliar drunk guy not to attack me.

"Well, I know that if you trust God, He will help you stop drinking. I know He can help you get back together with your wife and kids if you admit you have a problem and you make a change in your heart."
"You really think God will help me?"
"I'm sure He will."

Sirens interrupted our conversation, and an ambulance pulled up. That's when I realized that the family who owned the house behind us was sitting on their porch, staring at me and this guy. The paramedics came out.

"What's your name, buddy?"
"David." [name changed] He pulled out his wallet and they looked at his ID card.
"Hey, David, what happened?"
"I fell."
"Are you okay?"
"I'm drunk."
"Well, the people who called us said they thought you were hurt."
David suddenly started shaking violently, and I thought he was having a seizure. One of the paramedics got behind him and eased him to the ground. "I don't think David's okay."
And just like that, David came around and sat up again. "I don't want to go to the hospital."
"David, I think you should go. You don't look so good."
"No. I just need to go home."
The one paramedic shrugged his shoulders. "We can't make you go, but I'm really worried about you."
David looked at me, and I felt that strange numbness again.
God, I'm really going out on a limb here... Help me walk in faith...

"I'll walk home with him. He lives right down there." I pointed to the apartments.
We helped David to his feet and as I started walking him and his bike, the one paramedic whispered in my ear, "We'll stay and watch you."

The paramedics left in the ambulance, but they simply drove around the block and parked in another driveway behind where David and I walked. I was glad that they were watching.

As David and I walked, we kept talking. I held his arm with one hand and steered his bike with the other.
"David, I know that you want to stop drinking. I can see that in your heart. You can do this, for yourself and for your family."
"I don't know. I'm drunk now."
"You have to trust that God will help you. Rehab hasn't helped, maybe because you weren't ready. But I know you are now."
"How do you know God will help me?"
Help me, Lord.
"Well, I think he put me here for a reason... I don't know why I stopped, David, but I know that we're talking about some important stuff, and I don't even know you. I think God put me here, and not just for what I'm saying, but for what you need to hear."
"I want to believe. I want to believe God loves me."
"You can do it, David."
We got to the entrance to the apartment complex, and as we turned into the parking lot, the paramedics drove by and waved.

There was a picnic bench just outside David's building.
"David, would you like to pray before you go inside?"
"Good. Let's sit here."
So we did.
"David, I know that this can really mean something even though you're drunk. God knows what's in your heart even when you're messed up. If you really mean what you pray, I know God will honor it."
David was crying now.
We prayed. We prayed for him, for his family, for his wife, and for forgiveness for the drinking. We prayed that he would be healed from the inside out and that he would give control over his alcoholism to God. We thanked God that David hadn't been hit by a car, and that he hadn't gotten injured in his fall.

After we prayed, I helped David lock up his bicycle, then walked him up the stairs in his building to his apartment door. I gave him the phone number to my church and told him he could find me there on the next Sunday.

I never saw David again, but I kept praying for him for a long time. Eventually the burden lifted and I felt that David was best left totally in God's hands... that my prayers were enough.

Well... A few years later, long after I had stopped thinking about David on a regular basis, we bought a new service at work. They sent a representative to demonstrate, and as I went to train with my colleagues, the rep greeted us. At first, when I walked in, it was "any ordinary guy" professionally dressed in a cleanly pressed white shirt and gray pants with a conservative tie. But when he turned to greet me, I saw the most strikingly beautiful blue eyes. And David showed us photos of his two children which he used as examples to demonstrate the features of our new service.

To this day I don't know if David recognized me. He had probably been in a blackout at the time. But I knew it was him -- his eyes, his children -- and I thanked God that he was healed. I cried for a long time after I went home that day.

When I think of this miracle, I pray that should I ever fall into a place like David was in, that God will redeem me as well.
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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:06 pm

First of all, I´m glad you all got out of accidents unharmed. Secondly, if you are happy with your faith and truly believe that someone´s watching over you, I´m happy for you and respect your thoughts.

But just as Klaus said earlier in this thread: what about the thousands of people that do get killed in car crashes and other accidents? What about the innocent civilians that get killed in wars? Surely a big part of them are religious also, pray daily and go to church/mosque/synagogue etc.?

Didn´t these people deserve to live? Or would the answer simply be: they were chosen to die?

I said it in another thread and will say it again: I can´t understand how people can be so selfish and praise their God whenever something good happens, but blame it on other things whenever something bad happens. As a human being, you have a set of brains to make your own decisions. And whether you accept it or not, you ARE the one who makes your own decisions, not someone or something else.

Just my thoughts.
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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:11 am

This one time, I ate dinner and I was full. Praise the lord.
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RE: Events That Reaffirmed Your Faith?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:23 am

Amazing story Redngold....thanks for sharing it.

You know, just once, it would be nice to have a thread met with some consideration and respect instead of the usual wise-ass "you're all suckers for thinking there's any higher being" crapola....

Yes, Mdsh00's accident and good fortune to come out of it may have had more to do with chance and sound automotive engineering than divine intervention, but the great thing about FAITH (which was the impetus of the thread, lest I remind everyone) is that it's perfectly sound to believe it even though you can't prove it one way or another.

For me, my faith was reaffirmed with the birth of my first son.

I'll admit to being a cynic at times, I get discouraged and frustrated but try to live an optimistic life. For you other parents out there, this will probably resonate with you. When I saw my son born, and I was the first thing he saw, it was as if our eyes locked. I was overcome completely. I get weepy thinking about it even now....that moment, that singular moment, is far and away the greatest moment of my life.

I realized both at that moment and later, when I first held him, when he first clutched my finger with his tiny hand, that mankind IS inherently good...we are all miracles, and we all have unlimited potential to be and do whatever we choose. And it rekindled my commitment to help my fellow man, be a better husband and committed father, and try to do everything a little bit better. I fail, as do we all, but I think birth is very much a redemption for us and it reaffirmed my faith.

It's difficult to even put into words, because the experience is so overpowering, but that's what faith is about.

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