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If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:39 am

I am not voting for Kerry, but if Kerry wins, what will change? I don't care for Kerry at all, but I also feel that he, or any President, is not able to change much. What do you think will be the ramifications of a Kerry win?
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:42 am

I think he'll improve our relationship with our allies, which can only help in the real fight on terrorism.

I think he'll not be as secretive as the current administration, which is the most secretive in our history, and hides everything it does under the guise of "national security".

I think you'll actually have a decent SecDef and AG.

You won't see himas beholden to big business, and let it shit all over the American people as his predecessor did.

You won't have the appalling arrogance that is so ingrained in the current administration.

That's not a bad start.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:43 am

Because of the two-party system, nothing major will ever change.

Bush was successful in changing a lot though.

What will NOT change is mid-east policy especially with regards to Israel. And that is the root of ALL the problems we are currently having with terrorism.

If we had a president who began a fair mideast policy and treated Israel no different than other mideast nations, we would not have problems with mideast terrorism, end of story.

But with two-party politics, that will never change.

Kerry can do lots of things at home though. Reverse the tax cuts for the rich, improve the economy, education, health care. And that's reason enough for any American (ok, not the millionaires) to vote for him.

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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:46 am

Karl Rove will be sent back home.

Jeb Bush will never run for President putting an end to Bush dynasty politics forever.

We won't have to refer to our President as "that idiot."
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:17 am

"We won't have to refer to our President as "that idiot.""

Thanks, you've been no help.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:20 am

Jaysit, since we've had president's, someone has always referred to him as "that idiot". The group who calls him that just changes, right Maverick?  Big grin
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:35 am

Unless something real screwy happens, Congress will still be in GOP hands. Therefore it will be real difficult for Kerry to get anything substantial through.

But, I figure our net take-home will go down and because of that the economy will slow. Remember, taxes are a negative influance on the economy.

Kerry will attempt to intervene in business by penalizing corporations that move work overseas. This will no doubt cause some of these corporations to close their doors. Hey, but then everyone stands in the un-employment line.

Universal health-care will rear its ugly head again with perscription drugs being the flavor of the day. Kerry will probably try to eliminate patents on drugs so that generics can hit the market right away. Anyone care to examine why a major drug company would invest billions in a drug only to have the formula given to all?


But the biggest change is that we'll all get to call someone new "the idiot"
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:44 am

Two things for sure - taxes will go up and Hillary will be pissed.

Soros can go back to manipulating currencies.

US financial markets will fall.



 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:50 am

Not a Damn thing other than taxes going up, fuel prices going even higher, and markets declining.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:56 am

US financial markets will fall.
markets declining

N-O-N-S-E-N-S-E!!!

Sometimes it's better to shut up and leave the capital markets to those who understand it...you both don't! Funny that most dealers, analysts, fund managers etc. do not really care since most things are already priced in. Fact is, there are other things that will form the macrotrend that will guide the capital markets, but certainly not which one of those 2 guys gets elected tomorrow!
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:43 am

I don't think much would change at all except I'm pretty sure my taxes will go up. I'm middle-class and don't believe for one second Kerry won't get in my wallet. Other than that, everything will pretty much run its own course including the economy which will improve regardless of who's in the WH.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:20 am

Andreas, you can kiss my ass. I've got a pretty good understanding of how markets work. I've spent a fairly good portion of my life studying them academically and making a fair amount of money by using that knowledge.

Though I'm not a big fan of George Soros' politics, his latest book reiterates a fantastic point. Markets are almost always wrong. If not, how could bubbles exist? The only points where they are correct are what he call the inflection points - that is, when the bubble bursts or when the market bottoms out. If everything is already factored in, I guess we should expect the market to remain steady on Tues and Weds of this week. Let's see

If anything market volatility has increase as information technology has improved. That sort of sink's your argument. You might disagree with me but to say that you and the other professions are the only one with answers is a bit pompus.
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:28 am

Remember, taxes are a negative influance on the economy.

LOL. A system without any taxes is called anarchy. VERY good for the economy !
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:42 am

The usual crop of uninformed whiners complaining "my taxes are going up".

Making more than $200K/Year are you? No? Then your taxes AREN'T going up. Kerry isn't going to penalize companies that offshore work, but provide tax incentives for those that do not offshore. If you are making more than $200K/year then congratulations, now start paying for the war in Iraq.

The days of big corporate tax-giveaways most definitely are over. Oil companies, coal companies and all the rest that choose to do business in this country but want to avoid having to support it financially are in for a rude awakening. Halliburton won't be seeing any more no-bid contracts.

I wonder how long Bush will hang onto the ranch in Crawford after tomorrow? The ranch bought specifically for use as a stage-prop to cement the image of the rough-n-tumble cowboy (who ironically is afraid of horses).


 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:42 am

He will get back to hunting down Osama bin Laden instead of stopping short and starting a war.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:01 am

The usual crop of uninformed whiners complaining "my taxes are going up"

Excuse me, but I'm not uninformed. I know what Kerry is claiming. I just don't believe him. Is that simple enough for you?
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:46 am

"The usual crop of uninformed whiners complaining "my taxes are going up"
"

Taxes will go up for those who pay 80+% of the tax bill.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:12 am

Well I dont think the relationship with the UK will be the same. Bush and Blair seemed to be like best friends with Blair and Bush both for the war in Iraq, but Kerry against it. I think if Kerry wins, there may be a fallout of some sort
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:13 am

Let's see, my taxes went down under Bush. Kerry said he will roll back the Bush tax cuts. That means my taxes will go up.

Taxes are a negative influence on the economy. Some taxes are necessary in order to preserve the peace and society. But any taxes above that are excessive. The simple fact of the matter is that the more a society pays in taxes the less they have to purchase goods and services. That is why the economy will slow under a Kerry administration.

Example: If my taxes go up, I will probably defer buying a new car next year. What will that do to the economy? Alone, not a thing, but what if several thousand families make the same decision? Think Chrysler, Ford and GM can survive thousands of families deferring purchases?

What about Honda, Toyota and the others that out-source their jobs to us in order to remain competitive in our market. What happens when they start scaling back production because people aren't buying their cars?

And that's only one industry. Examine it at the micro level or at the macro level; an increase in taxes beyond what is necessary to run government is excessive. Every dollar that is spent by the people vs. paid in taxes generates more money. Taxes are re-distribution of funds and don't grow funds.

There's my rant.
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:31 am

You can be guaranteed that bigotry and discrimination will not be codified into law.

The only issue that actually matters - freedom for Americans.

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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:39 am

"The days of big corporate tax-giveaways most definitely are over."

Wow talk about shortsighted.. I guess in the world of the LWAK when a company shows a profit they stick all that money in big canvas bags with dollar signs on them and shove them under the CEOs bed instead of doing stupid things like:

Buying more equipment
Buying new equipment
Hiring more workers
Otherwise re-investing in the company

I have news for you but most CORPORATIONS are structured so they pay little to no tax. The only people really being hurt by taxing businesses more are Proprietorships and partnerships, lets just kill off all the small businesses. Also, tax breaks are typically given by cities or states as incentive to open a new facility there.. when companies open a new facility many studies have shown that the economic stimulus from having more people employed and paying taxes typically more than makes up for the break given to the company. Try thinking 3 steps down the food chain for once.

"Halliburton won't be seeing any more no-bid contracts."

Yeah right, and EmiratesA345 will date a fat chick.

"but provide tax incentives for those that do not offshore"

I am a Senior working on my BBA in accounting and I can come up with no less than 10 ways to get around this. I am sure the financial whiz kids at any of the companies on the Fortune 500 can come up with hundreds.

"Making more than $200K/Year are you? No? Then your taxes AREN'T going up."

I guess we need to punish those nasty rich people for making all that money and then putting it back into the economy in the form of investing or buying a bigger house, or buying a new car. Damn those rich people, destroying the very fabric of our nation. We should have everyone make exactly the same.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:54 am

The rich pump their money into the upper-level markets. They buy in their own little rich worlds. When was the last time you saw the CEO of a major company shopping at walmart? What happens is the rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

In theory, the trickle-down effect sounds great. But it DOESNT trickle down. It doesn't work.
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:11 am

When was the last time you saw the CEO of a major company shopping at walmart?

Ok say you take a CEO. He goes out to dinner someplace. His meal costs $100. He leaves what is considered a standard 15% tip. Say his waiter is a college kid making just a few thousand dollars a year. If that CEO had not gone out to his $100 dinner that kid would have never recieved his $15. This goes further. The kitchen staff all makes say on average $12/hr. Because people eat at this restaraunt they are on the clock at that time because the revenue is generated to justify having them there, they all get their share. To take this even further, The restaraunt buys its supplies from somewhere, probably a food distributor, because this restaraunt does good business they order more food, etc.. you can take this even further if you feel like doing the typing.

Yeah I may not see the CEO of a company personally shopping at wally world but he isn't wiping his ass with gold leaf Charmin, he may not be personally shopping there but someone is.

The guy selling the CEO his Ferrari. He is a higher level car salesman, but he still works on comission. The CEO is taxed more so he does not go and buy said Ferrari. Enough CEOs are taxed enough that nobody buys a Ferrari. Now the dealership shuts down. That sales guy I mentioned, he is out of work or taking a substantial pay cut selling KIAs (with BMW interiors). Also, all the mechanics, admin staffing and other salesmen who worked at that dealership are now in the unemployment line.

The CEO has a private jet. Lets call it a G-IV. Because his company can no longer afford said jet they either sell off the flight department completely or hire a contractor. Now a few pilots are out of work, maybe a mechanic, and a couple people who do administrative type things. Now said jet goes out to the desert or is sold to someone who would have otherwise bought new. Now the Gulfstream factory notices fewer orders, so they lay off workers. It is an ugly cycle.

The wealthy are not there to tax to death, hard work built this country, the last thing we should be doing is punishing those who worked hard.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:15 am

There is no such thing as a freelunch.

When Bush entered office, the national debt was $5.4 Trillion. Today it is $7.4 Trillion. The Bush tax-cuts are responsible for the majority of this 20% increase - in just 4 years. Think we can continue to accumulate deficits at that rate? Someone, sometime will have to start paying that debt. That person is you, or your kids. So choose wisely - that piddling tax-cut you got will have to be repaid in full with interest soon enough.
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:20 am

The deficit versus surplus numbers are even more compelling...

A 5.6 billion dollar 10 year surplus is now a $3 trillion loss - the largest change in the country's history.

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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:24 am

Taxes will go up, probably for you and for me, and you know what, I really don't think that will have a big effect on the economy.

Remember Bush pere raised taxes and taxes stayed raised in the 90s. Didn't do squat to spending, investment or anything else. You may think the 90s boom was gossamer, but people were pouring money in, despite being taxed higher than they are now. and despite having income taxes raised in the early 90s.

I don't think you can say there's a nice linear effect between taxes and spending, it's more like a tipping point.

Taxes will have to be raised fairly substantially for the effect that you describe AIR2gxs.

Reagan's tax cuts worked (after a short nasty recession to kill stagflation) because rates back then were truly confiscatory. There was substantial disincentive to work, produce, or spend.

However, you can't say the same now, and the deficit just keeps on growing. Something's gotta give. The s**t will it the fan. A person can't live his life like that maxing out his credit cards and the US can't either.

If Kerry began to raise taxes so the highest rates were 70% like back in the 70s, I'd agree with the conservatives, but even if he masturbated at night thinking of doing that, no way he'd actually be *able* to do it.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:42 am

Didn't the current government create the biggest deficit in US history? Wasn't the previous government running a balanced budget? Seems silly to talk about tax policy and whether or not a party supports bigger government when the party that is supposedly against big government and is for tax cuts has expanded government and spends like crazy. Talk is cheap. I would prefer my tax dollars spent on healthcare rather than Haliburton and I would prefer a government to make some attempt to balance the budget. How a guy that led the creation of the largest deficit ever can criticize the other candidate's financial abilities is beyond me. The US spent a record amount in the last four years and gave a tax rebate... can you honestly say you have felt positive change in the quality of your lives as a result?

Personally I don't think either candidate would have done nothing in response to 9/11. The question really is which one is going to improve life in the US, which one will spend smarter instead of just spending more, and which one will improve the country's relationships with the world. It is disappointing that the US is so divided while in Europe countries that have completely different cultures, completely different histories, and completely different languages are coming together.
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:53 am

Wrong, it will not take a large tax increase to have the affect I described. What most people fail to realize is the US economy is driven by consumer confidence. It is a pschological exercise. If I see a lower amount in my paycheck, I will spend less because I fear what may come.

Why do you think consumer confidence is such an important induicator? Why does the mere threat of an interest rate increase force the stock market to decline? Do you think its the 1/4 point? No, its the fact that people think they will have less to spend (they will have less, but not as little as they think).

I wouldn't be suprised that if Kerry gets elected the market will steady at first (the market hates un-certainty) but then starts trending down a little because of tax fears.
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:07 am

Dan-air: Making more than $200K/Year are you? No? Then your taxes AREN'T going up.

Dan-air: Someone, sometime will have to start paying that debt. That person is you, or your kids.


Wow, you got that Kerry thing down pat. Talking out of both sides of your mouth. ROTFLMFAO!!!!!
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:26 am

Air2gxs, that presupposes people are rational actors, you may be, but considering how much credit card debt people carry, most people aren't.

My point is that a neat linear equation, i.e raise taxes by x and people will spend less y, is a fantasy. So the idea that because Kerry's going to raise taxes, well Mr. and Mrs. America just won't be going to the malls is not credible, unless Kerry raises taxes a lot. And again, he's not going to even if he wanted to.

I don't know what the "tipping point" is when people will spend less, and there is a point, certainly, when taxing people will force people to spend less. But most people will notice that their paychecks went down a bit and will adjust their spending - for two days, then its back to business as usual.

Again, even the most liberal has to agree that Reagan's tax cuts were a spur to consumer spending and also a spur for people to work harder to make more money, and thus spurred the economy. However, most people, including conservative economists, agree that the amounts Bush pere raised taxes (with one exception) did little to drive people away from the malls. I believe that it did help reduce the deficit, which I think in the long term is going to be a problem.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:48 am

"If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?"

Jaysit, You will still be able to call the prez an idiot. It will just be a different idiot.

We will also have a huge psycho as first lady if you can call her that.

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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:50 am

Well. Anything that will happen will be influenced by the outcome of the Senate. If the unfortunate happens and Kerry is elected hopefully the Senate will stay republican and temper Hanoi Johns bad ideas.

but look for the following:

Our troops to be denied gear and new equipment they need.

A least a pullback to a level that is ineffective but one Hanoi John can claim is doing the job. Sort of the line Clinto walked when he was bombing Sudanese Asprin factories after the embassy bombings in Africa. After all he allready said he wants a "More sensitive war"

Taxes to go up, as Hanoi John tries to implement his unneeded and unwanted social programs. If you believe that will effect only 200K an year and over wageearners, I have a couple of 110 story towers in NYC for sale on E-bay.

Americans will lose civil rights as Hanoi John appeases the Nazi's that supported him and attempts to eliminate the 2nd amendment of the Bill of Rights.

Alaskan's will be sold into economic slavery as Hanoi John appeals to the eviromental terrorists that supported them and closes the 1002 area to oil exploration.

Look for US not to stand up for itself in any world body, Annan and Chirac will praise this as a "newfound American cooperation in the world". Translated that means that they will now have the ablity to walk all over the US on international issues.

Look for a temporary improvement in the economy as the uncertainty of the election goes away. However expect it to tank as more employers move overseas because they can't afford the taxes to pay for Hanoi John's social programs.

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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:53 am

The Draft. If Kerry intends on adding the military numbers he proposing, he'll have to draft people. Plain and simple. No one wants to join the military and follow this jackoff. God forbid we come home and he starts badmounthing us about how we didn't properly guard an ammo dump outside Baghdad. Oh, that's right he said it's Bush's fault... That's just Kerry's way of diverting attention from what he really meant.
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:11 am

God forbid we come home and he starts badmounthing us about how we didn't properly guard an ammo dump outside Baghdad. Oh, that's right he said it's Bush's fault...

If it turns out that those explosives di disapeare AFTER US troops invaded Iraq then who else would you blame?? It happened on Bush's watch!
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:09 pm

Wow, you got that Kerry thing down pat. Talking out of both sides of your mouth. ROTFLMFAO!!!!!


Jetservice:

Whatever. Look at the facts - this country cannot continue reckless spending on corporate giveaways while simultaneously enacting tax-cuts that reduce revenue by a large factor. It is simply unsustainable.

So you want to keep the Bush tax-cuts. Fine. What spending do you propose eliminating to eliminate the ongoing deficit and start reducing the mountain of debt that has been accumulated, by mostly republican presidents?

Put away the 8th-grade "Kerry thing" baloney and support your case for tax-cuts in an era of runaway deficits.
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:07 pm

If Kerry wins:

1. a woman's right to choose will remain secure.
2. the world will again look to America as a leader on all fronts.
3. intelligence, compassion and nuance will return to the White House.

As someone said today:
"Who would stand up for the less fortunate, if not for the Democrats?"
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:09 pm

"Who would stand up for the less fortunate, if not for the Democrats?"


...that would be the Socialists.....they want you all to be equally "less fortunate"....

[Edited 2004-11-02 05:10:51]
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:24 pm

Thanks Jeff. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:31 pm

"3. intelligence, compassion and nuance will return to the White House."

Nuance???
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:34 pm

William, you are one of the few that could!  Big grin
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:56 pm

...that would be the Socialists.....they want you all to be equally "less fortunate"....


Uh huh.. and thanks to Dubya it sounds exactly like where the state of Ohio is today.


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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:24 pm

If Kerry wins ( fat chance ) look for non-stop congressional hearings into every aspect of his personal life. The Christian right and the NRA will rev up to high gear spreading anti-government hate. On the good side peace might have a chance as war will not be the first choice to resolve ego problems.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:28 pm

Dannn straight DC10Guy.

Only way we can keep this country safe from itself in that event.

What would it say about this country if we elect Kerry who as we know married a whore.

And I feel safe saying that. Theresa married Heinz for money and Kerry for power........Just like a prostitute.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:36 pm

I'm sure them self righteous republicans will be all over that dude. Why do prostitutes need " power " ???
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:56 pm

N6376m: Actually I wonder about you being a career boy since you never fail NOT to read what others have to say and make extremely sure NOT to understand..but then people have made impressive careers doing exactly that  Big grin


"Markets are almost always wrong. If not, how could bubbles exist? The only points where they are correct are what he call the inflection points - that is, when the bubble bursts or when the market bottoms out. If everything is already factored in, I guess we should expect the market to remain steady on Tues and Weds of this week. Let's see"


1. Nonsense!! Markets are never wrong!!! They are a fact, and facts cannot be wrong: If it rains outside, it rains, if you say it doesn't, you're wrong, if I say it does, I'm right, but the fact remains, that it rains!

2. World markets are currently very volatile, though they don't show exactly high amplitudes, so whether they remain steady or not is (almost) no question of your election. Not even oil prices will get a kick up or down by that election.


"If anything market volatility has increase as information technology has improved. That sort of sink's your argument. You might disagree with me but to say that you and the other professions are the only one with answers is a bit pompus."

That is indeed correct, funny enough,though lots of academics who have been watching capital markets to prove or un-prove CAPM and theories in information efficiency told us differently for decades...actually in my own doctor's thesis I doubted informational efficiency very much, but couldn't prove my point either, unfortunately.

Why this sinks my own argument remains completely unclear, though. I'm talking about macro-trends, and the outcome of your election is none anymore! You seem to talk about short-term volatility...ok for me, it's just so that it would be utter nonsense to say that the capital markets go down.

If they go down, then it is because of permanently soaring oil prices or because growth comes to a halt, but definitely not because GWB and JK each start to pack their things.

And in fact it is YOU who claims to know about markets, I, on the other hand, know markets well enough to claim that YOU DON'T!! It's all about you, honey, not me...  Big grin

oh and btw: And YOU can lick up what comes out of it!
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:26 pm

Re: Kirkie - I think if Kerry wins, there may be a fallout of some sort.

I think if Kerry wins, Mr. Blair will be doing the Dance of Joy round 10 Downing Street. Being seen as GWB's poodle is TB's biggest headache right now, and his biggest vote loser (not that he'll lose the next election, but GWB ain't helping). With Kerry in the White House, GWB simply ceases to be an issue. No matter what happens in Iraq (and I hope Kerry is able to improve the situation, though frankly I can't see how), it won't be worse than having GWB and his minions in charge. Kerry won't just withdraw from Iraq, leaving the UK high and dry, but he will start working on a when and how plan for withdrawal, which is what TB desperately needs.
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:57 pm

L-188 will change. He has been very well spoken in here until now  Big grin
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:18 am

Well Andreas, the markets sure proved you wrong today.

"NEW YORK (CBS.MW) -- U.S. stocks staged a sharp reversal Tuesday, with blue chips sliding into negative territory and the Nasdaq paring gains amid reports that John Kerry is putting in a strong early showing at the polls. "

http://biz.yahoo.com/cbsm-top/041102/6cb562c64d48cdb2a6603ee143760212_1.html

As for markets never being wrong - well I guess that you missed what happened with Enron, WorldCom, HealthSouth . . . .

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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:27 am

Well, on an airline front, the damage has been done. Bush told people not to fly unless they had to, after 9/11, plain and simple. That pratically screwed the major airlines, and I don't think any president will be able to change it. The age of the LCC's has arrived, and they are stealing many markets  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:04 pm

". . . stealing many markets"

What does that mean? If a LCC competes and wins, why is that stealing?

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