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Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:02 am

Britts,

Please explain the Gunpowder Plot holiday and why you celebrate it.

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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:11 am

Guy Fawlkes wanted to blow up Parliament by placing barrels of gunpowder in the basement, and got caught. He was hung and left to rot off the bridge.

Every year there is a celebration of the prevention of the destruction of Parliament that involves fireworks to represent the explosions averted.

I'm not British, but thats the gist.
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:12 am

In brief, a certain chap called Guy Faulkes made a plan to blow up the Houses of Parliament in London on November 5th many centuries ago (sometimes referred to as the gunpowder plot).

The plan was foiled. Guy Faulkes was sentanced and believe was burned at the stake (hence having a 'guy' on top of bonfires) and now every November 5th, (or the weekend nearest the 5th) there are huge bonfires and firework displays throughout the UK. Its a huge tradition here and the organised displays which seem to take place in every town and city are fantastic.



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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:03 am

I thought he was hung...was he burnt at the stake? Please correct me if I was wrong, as I HATE being wrong.
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:25 am

He was to be hung but jumped from the gallows and broke his neck, he died instantly.
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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:26 am

Guido Fawkes was sentenced to be hung, drawn and quartered.

Nowadays he'd have got an ASBO.
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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:57 pm

ok..I've got 3 or 4 different answers from British guys....come on and make up your minds befire I have to actually go look it up myself.

Was he hung and then displayed, or was he burnt?
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:20 pm

take a look at http://www.bonefire.org/guy/index.php which will fill you in with this uniquely English folk celebration. It is not a holiday though, just something we celebrate.
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:26 pm

Oh and they were all hanged drawn and quatered apart from one conspiritor who died in prison.

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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:28 pm

Every year there is a celebration of the prevention of the destruction of Parliament that involves fireworks to represent the explosions averted.

I thought it was a celebration of the attempt that came just "this" close to succeeding. When I was living in England years ago, I kinda caught that subtlety.

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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:19 pm

What's been missed so far is that it wasn't actually an attempt to destroy Parliament itself, but actually to assassinate the King who would be in the building at the time. The barrels of powder were placed roughly below the position of the state throne used by the King in the chambers.

So the 5th of November was started as a celebration of the failed attempt on the life of the King.

"Remember, remember, the Fifth of November
Gunpowder treason and plot"

Another more recent tradition, where I come from, is that not one house on the estate had a garden gate on the 6th of November. They were all built with wooden gates and were brilliant for bonfires....



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Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:48 pm

Jesus. Is this what you guys do instead of Thanksgiving?
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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:52 pm

Following this reasoning shouldn't there be a huge party in Dallas on November 22?
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Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:12 am

Nahhh. Kennedy bought it.


As opposed too......

What day was Reagan shot?

Edit: Nix that Reagan got hit too.

Maybe Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme is a better comparison.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:22 am

The whole thing comes from a dispute between Roman Catholics and Protestants. After Henry VIII split from the Roman Catholic church over a divorce dispute and founded his own Anglican church, with the king being head of the church, all of his subjects had to swear an oath on him as the head of church. Who objected was thrown into jail. Also RC church property was confiscated under chancellor Thomas Cromwell.
Under his successor, young Edward IV, the division was even more pronounced through the adoption of a newly translated version of the Bible. At the same time radical Protestants hunted Catholics for what they considered to be idoltry (statues of Christ, and Mary etc.).
After edward´s death (he was always sickly and died very young), mary Tudor, a staunch Catholic, became queen. She was also married to a Spanish prince and tried, with the help of the Spanish, to restore the Roman Catholic church as the state religion. She did this very clumsily by reintroducing the inquisition and now persecuted Protestants.
After she died, there was a period of religious chaos, with hardliners of both religions killing each other. Queen Elisabeth I managed to restore order, on oner hand by slapping down on the more radical Protestants (who, because they were angry that they were not allowed to burn Catholics at the stake anymore, moved to America on the Mayflower, they were the Puritans), and at the same time by banning Catholics from public office. Additionaly everybody had to swear an oath on her, refusal was punishable by death. Catholics were also banned from political positions, like becoming MPs. This was mostly a popular reaction on Catholics previously cooperating with an external enemy (the Spanish).
Of course, her and her successor´spolitics were not liked by everybody. A militant group of 12 Catholics decided to blow up the Protestant parliament, free imprisoned Sir Walther Raleigh from the Tower of London and install a Catholic king.
Guy Fawkes was a veteran mercenary and former miner, who used to fight for the Spanish in Flanders as a sapper. Due to his knowledge in using explosives he was chosen to execute the plan.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:49 am

I remember as a kid going to Bonfire parties, either big public events with huge firework displays, or smaller ones in our street, then someone would volunteer their garden for the evening, others would get fuel for the fire and the pyrotechnics in, the rest would sort the food.

These days, every vile little chav seems to chuck fireworks around for weeks before and after the event.

 
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Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:30 am

Jesus. Is this what you guys do instead of Thanksgiving?

That's why we have turkey at Christmas.

Nowadays he'd have got an ASBO.

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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:04 am

Jesus. Is this what you guys do instead of Thanksgiving?

We've been doing it since before Thanksgiving. So, technically, Thanksgiving is what you lot do instead of Bonfire Night.
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Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:21 am

In Nowadays, Bonfire night is just a reason to play around with rockets  Big thumbs up

I bet the younger generation of kids these days would not have a clue why we have it either.
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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:27 am

Fawkes and the other conspirators were sentenced to the standard death for traitors, to be hung drawn and quartered, which involves being hanged by the neck but not killed, then taken down while still alive, castrated and disembowelled, with your organs burnt in front of you on a brazier, then the body is chopped into four quarters and the parts distributed for general viewing. Not pretty. Fawkes escaped this gruesome execution by jumping from the gallows ladder after the hangman had put the noose round his neck - the noose broke his neck and killed him.

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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need British Explanation

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:47 am

This is reminding me of the seminal episode in series 2 of Blackadder, when Edmund gets the job of 'Lord High Executioner', as Queen Elizabeth explains to him, 'you see there are lots of Catholics just dying to have their heads sneaked off, but no one to organize it'.

 
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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:49 am

It also depended in how far the family of the condemed could bribe the hangman. If the bribe was high enough, the hangman made sure the convict was dead before he took him off the gallows.

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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:50 am

We've been doing it since before Thanksgiving

Slight correction...we've been doing it since 'before' America!

Guy Fawkes. The only man ever to enter Parliament with a good idea...

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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:59 am

Well, I had the pleasure of joining 40,000 of my fellow sarf-London-ers on Clapham Common on Friday evening to watch a fantastic fireworks display....although I bet the arrivals on 27L/R at Heathrow got a better view!  Smile

(Also, I flew NCL-LHR on Sunday evening and it seemed that the whole country was having a display...quite something from 27,000ft.)
 
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RE: Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:50 pm

Oh and Guy Fawkes wasnt the only one involved in the plot. He just drew the short straw to stay behind and light the fuse.

I had the pleasure of having fireworks aimed at me Friday evening while flying VFR back into Manchester just after sunset.


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