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Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:11 pm



















Quadraphonic sound systems were offered with these Ford/Mercury/Lincoln vehicles between 1976-1982.





Has anyone here ever had the pleasure of listening to quadraphonic sound?
This was a sonic breakthrough in the 1970s. Four discrete channels of sound, an expansion on stereophonic sound which came out in 1958.
This was early surround sound and is the same technology used in today’s movie theaters and home theater systems.
Unfortunately this was a marketplace failure mainly do to competing patent issues with the three major brands that had there own system of detecting four channel sound.

There were three different types of quad decoding systems for LPs. The first introduced in 1971 was Command/QS, the second was SQ introduced in 1972 and the most sophisticated system was CD-4 introduced in 1973. SQ was developed by Sony and thus CBS/Columbia records used the SQ decoding system. CD-4 was developed by JVC and was used by Warner Brothers/Atlantic records and ABC records used the Command/QS system. A&M records were the only label to use all three at different times.

To add to the confusion you needed a system that decoded all three systems if you wanted to hear all of your favorite artist in quadraphonic sound. There was never a component made with all three build in. Quadraphonic receivers/preamps would have two build in and one would have to be purchased separately as an external add on.

Command/QS and SQ used a conventional elliptical stylus and cartridge but CD-4 required a phono cartridge and shibata tip stylus that could go above 35,000Hz in order to pick up the high pitched carrier frequency which activated the quadraphonic decoding system. The shibata stylus is ‘V’ shaped, smaller and sits deeper in to the groove.

Despite all of the technical hairsplitting LP decoding system, none really were that discrete.
The best way to enjoy quadraphonic sound was on 8track and reel to reel tape.
There were no decoders to bother with. All four channels were separated on the tape and the playback head was already set up to read four separate tracks.
The quadraphonic 8track tapes were pretty common in there day but the 8track tape has its limitations such as poor high frequency response. The best of both worlds is the quadraphonic reel to reel. That format delivers high-end audiophile sound quality and had four discrete bleedless channels of sound.
(I am sure Matt D would agree)  Big grin

The problem with quad reel to reel is that it’s extremely rare. Only 134 titles exist on quad reel. That’s encompassing rock, soul, country, jazz, classical and test tapes. Quadraphonic reel decks were (and still are) very expensive. They started at around $1,000.00 in 1973
Of the 134 quad reels made, they sold for almost $20.00 when new. People complain about spending $20.00 today on a compact disc, image spending $20.00 on a single album in 1973.

Its heyday started in 1971 and went to about 1975 before demand started to wane. However the Ford Motor Company was the only auto manufacture in the world to offer
Quadraphonic 8track players in there vehicles. (I have one in my Lincoln)
People who had GM, Chrysler, AMC or imports had to buy aftermarket decks.
The Ford decks were not available until the 1976 model year (fall 1975). Some record companies had announced they would discontinue quad releases and Ford threatened class action lawsuit because Ford had spend lots of money on these new decks. They cost $358 extra back then.  Wow!

Ford helped extend the life of quadraphonic sound and some record labels continued to press limited runs of classical and jazz titles throughout the late 1970s. The last official quadraphonic release was a sound effects album by Isao Tomita in 1980. Ford offered quadraphonic 8track decks up until 1982. In fact the 1980-1982 models have a digital tuner and external ‘premium sound’ system.

I’ve got a monstrous quadraphonic system at home with all the proper decoding systems, tape decks and cartridges. I am glad I got that stuff cheap in the early-mid 1990s before eBay started. That stuff is as expensive when new.

Some of my favorite quadraphonic tittles:
Sound effects with Boeing 707 and 727 takeoff and landings.
Pink Floyd – Dark Side Of The Moon
The Moody Blues – Days Of Future Passed
The Moody Blues – Every Good Boy Deserves A Favor
The Moody Blues – Seventh Sojourn
Edger Winter Group – They Only Come Out At Night
The Doobie Brothers – The Captain & Me
The Doobie Brothers – Toulouse Street
Earth Wind & Fire – That’s The Way Of The World
Earth Wind & Fire – Open Our Eyes
Ohio Players – Honey
Quincy Jones – You’ve Got It Bad Girl
Burt Bacharach – Reach Out
The Carpenters – A Song For You
The Carpenters – Close To You
Steely Dan – Countdown To Ecstasy
Deep Purple – Machine Head
Black Sabbath – Paranoid
Chick Corea & Return To Forever – Musicmagic
Sergio Mendes – (self title)
Jeff Beck – Blow By Blow
Maynard Ferguson - Conquistador
Enoch Light – Sounds of Burt Bacharach


I think its crime that there were no quadraphonic releases by RUSH, Led Zeppelin, Electric Light Orchestra, STYX or Gino Vannelli.  Pissed


Here is my large quadraphonic system.




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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:18 pm

Only time I ever heard it was when the Grateful Dead, et al, did a simulcast
on TV and a couple FM stations in San Francisco in the early 70's. Can't remember a lot about it  Wink/being sarcastic



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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:20 pm

Clrd2go:
You lucky $^%*%(@^!  Acting devilish

I was born in 1973.
I'd do anything to got in to a time capsule and live in San Francisco back then!  Smokin cool
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:21 pm

Look who you're asking.....

Although I haven't exactly embraced the format myself, a big reason why being, as you stated, the limited number of titles. Plus, I have a prefernce for customizing my music which is why I prefer starting with blank 10" reels (or C-90 or C-100 cassettes) so I can mix-n-match the songs. There are very few titles out there where I like every single track on the album.

Have you ever considered going to half track stereo for your reel to reel?

I recommend the Teac X-2000M, a Tascam 32, or if you have about $3500, a brand new Otari MX-5050MkIII

Your quad tapes would work just fine.
 
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:25 pm

re: superfly

Oh, it was a grand time, alright  Wink/being sarcastic from what I can remember, that is.
The Fillmore auditorium, Winterland..great music, and fun times.



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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:36 pm

Matt D:
There are very few titles out there where I like every single track on the album.

You mean you don't like every song on any of the Captain & Tenille albums?  Laugh out loud
Well I don't have an extra $3,500.00 to spare right now but I'll eventually get around to getting another deck.




Clrd2go:
I am courious as to what kind of car you drove back then. Do you have any photos from that era?
I know a guy who owns a small record store here in San Francisco named Ray. He did the sound system at the Fillmore and Winterland back then. He is an interesting character. He drinks vodka from while on the job during store hours. It' s best to buy records from him right before the shop closes. He's pretty drunk by then and he cuts really good deals. Big grin
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:44 pm

I drove a 1957 VW Bug, which I bought in 1970, I believe..drove it for 2-3 years then went to a 63 Bug..what's the name of the record store?

I grew up south of SF in Belmont and San Carlos..used to go to the Fillmore, etc
telling my parents I was going to a movie  Wink/being sarcastic

I spent a lot of time at the Fillmore..not as much at Winterland..saw/heard some great music that I still love today (as opposed to recent music)


I haven't been to SF in about 6-7 years, having moved from the Bay Area in
1976 now living on the East Coast.

I recall the fun of setting up for that TV thing..2 receivers, 2 sets of speakers, TV..thankfully my parents were away for the weekend.


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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:46 pm

...theme from Shaft, quad, 8-track, friend's house. Everybody ooh-ing and ahh-ing, envy thick in the air. Funny thing is, my friend'd dad still lives in the old neighborhood, as do my folks, and the old man is now in my Rotary club. Ithink he may still have the quad rig.

Only thing I thought was pretty lame were the Quad headphones, which clamped on to your head like all headphones did in those days, with "front" and "rear" speakers in each cup. How was one ear supposed to discern any difference when its relationship to both of the drivers on its side was fixed?

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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:58 pm

Sccutler:
I have a pair of Panasonic quadraphonic headphones. I think the only good thing about those is the ability to listen to quad titles late at night so you're not disturbing anyone else. It's not for any sonic superiority over stereo headphones.
Remember quad 8tracks and reel tapes aren't universal and can't be played back on a conventional player.




Clrd2go:
The rocord store is called Grooves. It opened around the time you were last here 6-7 years ago.
Winterland is long gone but the Fillmore is still here.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:59 pm

Now HERE was a sound system..The Grateful Dead's "Wall of Sound" circa 1974 or
so:

http://www.audioheritage.org/images/jbl/photos/pro-speakers/grateful.jpg


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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:02 pm

Yep..my brother was at the last shows done at Winterland..NY Eve 1978..available now on DVD (Grateful Dead).

Can't remember the last shows I saw at the Fillmore..or the Fillmore West for
that matter.. I have a book listing them all somewhere..will have to dig it out


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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:06 pm

Did they play Shakedown Street? Big grin
That's my favorite Greatful Dead album. I know it's there most unusual album. 'France' is a great song.

New Years Eve 1978. I can just image all the coolest cars of that time in the parking lot.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:09 pm

I don't think Shakedown St was played at that show..good song, though  Wink/being sarcastic


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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:19 am

Clrd2go:
When was the last time you saw the Greatful Dead?
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:30 am

Superfly:

You bring back fond Ford memories for me. My Dad did business with Ford in Dearborn, and hence we had Ford cars. The apex was a 1976 Ford Thunderbird ("Creme and Gold luxury group"). The massive bird had a "Quadrasonic" 8-track and we had that Ford demo you pictured above. I even remember the intro, a cheesy voice-over of Strauss' "Alzo Sprach Zarathustra."
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:36 am







Talk about heaven on wheels!  Smokin cool

I am sure you got a kick showing off that intro.
Did you guys have any other quadraphonic 8track tapes?
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:20 pm

I believe the last time I saw the Grateful Dead was in 1992 in Albany NY. 2 great
shows at the Knick. Shortly after that went through some rough financial stuff
and my fun was done for a while.

Fortunately, I had a lot of tapes to listen to, though  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:21 pm

"Rock yours in quad"

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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:16 am

Thanks for the awesome photos of the old 'Bird, Superfly. I don't recall any other "quad" 8 tracks we had, but I suspect we did have the soundtrack from "Saturday Night Fever."

The 'Bird was something else . . . it had been a Ford division executive car, and hence had the rare glass moonroof without full vinyl top ("landau"). The color combination was just so over the top. And the huge pig of an engine . . . 460 cubic inch V-8, yet only about 180 bhp! My current BMW 5 is the first car I have driven since the 'Bird that also has rear wheel drive and a glass moonroof, but its 2.8 litre engine puts out 200 bhp!
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:12 am

Stretch 8:
The 1976 Thunderbird had 220 horsepower and lots of class!  Smokin cool

You got rid of that T-bird for a little BMW?  Wow!


Shame on you!  Pissed

I am sure you get an extra 25 miles per gallon with the BMW though.

Saturday Night Fever should be in everyone's 8track collection. Too bad that album was not available in quad.
However, Walter Murphy’s 'A 5th Of Beethoven' was available as a separate album in quad and the song from Saturday Night Fever 'A 5th Of Beethoven' appeared on the Ford complementary quad 8track tape for the 1981 and 1982 model years.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:04 pm

Superfly:

We got rid of the 'Bird in 1983, after my father passed. It was fun while we had it. The BMW was a decision I made after driving one on the autobahn in Germany in 1999. I also drove it on the famed Nurburgring. BMWs are all about speed, handling, and safety. If I had taken the 'Bird on the ring, the tires would have peeled off the rims at the first apex!

I might pick up the new Mustang, however . . .
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:54 am

Stretch 8:
If I had taken the 'Bird on the ring, the tires would have peeled off the rims at the first apex!

Not if you get the 255/75/15 tires. That's what I put on my Lincoln. THey are great becasue you can get them in Whitewall and they look stock.
I can take hairpin turns in that boat and it still hugs the road.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:18 am

I never thought I'd see the Ford sample 8-track ever again! One came with my parents circa 1977 Mercury Crown Vic (8 MPG highway, but it came with a free 8-track so its all good). Actually it looked a hell of a lot like the Lincoln in the picture above (probably because it was basically the same car), right down to the $#!+ brown paint, no landau for us, thank god.

I can only remember one song on the (what the hell do you call it? tape? cartridge? brick?)... The first song on the 4th track was Captain & Tennile's Love Will Keep Us Together, my parents song.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:46 am

Ybacpa:
What's wrong with the Landau?
That was the best trim level.

You guys had the LTD. The Crown Victoria name plate wasn't used until 1980. The Crown Victoria trim replaced the Landau in 1980 model year and Ford dropped the LTD nameplate and called them all Crown Victoria's from 1992 onward.

Sounds like your family had the stereo 8track player in your car.





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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:28 am

One came with my parents circa 1977 Mercury Crown Vic

No such animal. You either had a Ford LTD or a Mercury Marquis, maybe a Marquis Brougham.

You guys had the LTD. The Crown Victoria name plate wasn't used until 1980. The Crown Victoria trim replaced the Landau in 1980 model year and Ford dropped the LTD nameplate and called them all Crown Victoria's from 1992 onward.

Actually from 1983-91, all the full-size Ford sedans and plain wagons were called LTD Crown Victorias and the woodgrained wagons were badged LTD Country Squires. The reason for the name change in 83 was to differentiate the full-size Crown Vic from the then-new mid-size LTD models. A similar move was done with the Marquis/Grand Marquis the same year.

FYI, in '77, Ford stripped off some of the exterior chrome (located on the hood and front fenders) of the LTD Landaus that year. This coincided with the dropping of the LTD Brougham model. Interiorwise, the 75-76 Brougham trim became the 'base' Landau trim for the 77s & 78s. The 75-76 Landau interior trim was offered in 77-78 Landaus as an Interior Luxury Decor Group Option.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:31 am

PHLBOS:
Thanks for the correction.
I was thinking that the 1980s LTD base models were the 'S' model.

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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:53 am

Superfly,

For 80-82, there was indeed an official LTD S model. Believe it or not, the Custom 500 nameplate actually survived the '79 downsizing but was only available in Canada (my brother saw an example of this model in a junkyard a few years ago); much like the 76-85 Chevy BelAir. The LTD S replaced the Custom 500 (Canada) and the really stripped LTD (U.S.A.) models in 1980.

From 83-91, the fleet-only model was 'on paper' called the LTD Crown Victoria S model but exteriorwise had the cars wore 'LTD Crown Victoria' nameplates. Inside, the 83-85 models still had LTD S listed on the dashboards (near the right-hand heating/ac duct/register). This was probably because Ford already made assembled a bunch of dashboard pieces during the early 80s and didn't want to change them; at the time, Ford was still contemplating on dropping the Crown Vic by the mid-to-late 80s. Needless to say, that did not come to pass... thankfully. The LTD S dashboards were left-overs.

Personal example of 'left-over parts', the instrument panel plate for my first '76 LTD I had while in college was stamped '10-1972' on the back. I had to take it off in order to replace a dashboard light. I'm not sure what date is stamped on the instrument panel plate of my current '76 LTD.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:16 am

I wonder how many left over parts bin parts are in my car.
The 1977 Town Car has a lot of parts that aren't shared witht the Marquis and LTD.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:08 pm

I wonder how many left over parts bin parts are in my car.
The 1977 Town Car has a lot of parts that aren't shared witht the Marquis and LTD.


I believe that the Lincoln Continental/Town Car/Town Coupe had the same basic dashboard pieces from 1973-77. A 1989 Town Car could have some pieces dating back to 1980.

I need to clarify something. After I wrote my previous response and went home, I realized that the date shown on dashboards, taillights, etc. is not necessarily the date of manufacture but the date of when the particular design came out. Examples: the taillights on my 76 Ford LTD have a '75' etched on them and my 97 Crown Victoria taillights probably have a '95' written on it somewhere. Your 77 Lincoln taillights probably have a '75' etched on them as well.

Sorry for the confusion.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:35 pm

Superfly / PHLBOS,
Details details details...

It was a Mercury Marquis... they say something is the first thing to go, but I can't remember what it was. (I know, groan...) Of course I was only a few years old at the time.

With regards to the Landau, even though my father was gainfully employed at the time, I had only been born a year or two earlier, we had just moved into a new house (it cost a whopping $57,000), and they were buying two new cars at once, to replace their only car that had been totalled in an accident. So, taste aside, the options list that was within their budget was rather short.

One thing I do remember was that car was in the shop more often than it was on the road. My father traded it in for a new 1982 Mercedes 240D, if I remember correctly they gave him $1200 for it, only because he wasn't going to buy the M-B unless they took the Mercury off his hands.


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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:05 am

Hey fellas:

As long as we are talking Ford history and trivia, am I the only one who wishes the new Ford sedan was called the "Galaxy 500" rather than just the "500?"
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:13 am

Stretch 8:
That was th efirst thing that came to mind when I first heard of a Ford 500 coming out.



Ybacpa:
That's an unusual lemon. Those large Ford/MercuryLincolns are reliable as ever. Mines hardly ever gives me problems.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:36 am

I'd rather see the Galaxie 500 moniker on the Crown Vic LX Sport, with some notable enhancements and upgrades of course.  Big thumbs up

Maybe the reason why Ford did not call the new Five Hundred the Galaxie 500 was that too many old 60s Galaxie 500 owners/enthusiasts would tar and feather Ford. Remember what happened when Ford originally planned to call the 1989 Probe a Mustang?

There are many out there who believe the current Chevy Impala and the last Mercury Cougar coupe are unworthy of bearing those classic monikers.

Back to the original subject (or at least closer to it) of sound. After thumbing through a brochure of the Ford Five Hundred, I noticed that a cassette player is not included at all in the options list or as standard equipment for any 500 model. Most other Ford vehicles either include a cassette player with the CD player or just have the cassette player as a stand-alone item with the radio. While it is true that it's gotten very hard to get music cassettes anymore, there are still plenty of venues (lectures, seminars, and church sermons) out there that still produce and distribute cassettes; unlike the 8-track phase-out of 20 years ago. I think Ford is making a mistake by either phasing out their cassette players too quickly or not offering them.
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:12 am

PHLBOS:
About that Impala. General Motors is famous for making dumb decisions so the Impala demise is consistent with other stupid decisions they've made.

The new generation Ford Thunderbird doesn't come with a cassette player either but the Lincoln LX does. I am sure the cassette/CD deck can easily mount in the Thunderbird.

I've never bought an album on cassette. I only have 5 pre-recorded cassettes yet I have 2000+ LPs, 1500+ 8tracks, 110 reel to reels and about 100 Compact Disc. I do however have 200+ blank cassette tapes I've made myself.
TDK just phased out METAL bias (type IV) blank tape.
It's sad to see it go. That was the best sound quality from a cassette tape.
I still like to record from LP to cassette and make my own mix tapes for when I am in a car that has a cassette player.

My last car which was a 1987 LeBaron Convertible had the CD/Cassette combo unit I got out of a wrecked 1999 Town & Country minivan. The sound was incredible!
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:53 am

FLy...you'll loe this...I just listened to an 8-track with Phil Spector producing for Ike and Tina Turner River Deep, Mountain High....on a 30 year old quadraphonic stereo in the basement of a friends house. It was incredible. The wall of sound orchestrations and and Tinas singing just blow you away.

If you don't have it on cassette or CD find it. If you can find it on LP its worth some real money, and the 8-track is a collectors piece to.
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:42 am

Superfly,

My family's luck with American cars hasn't been very good. Our other circa '77 car, a midsize Mercury (I think it was a Mercur) was almost as bad. The worst incident came when my father hit a pothole and broke the car's frame!

But back to the Marquis, my favorite glitch, which caused my parents much anxiety, was the car's headlights would go off when the driver pressed the brake pedal (it was a known defect, I think it was the headlight switch and the mechanism that switched the taillights from dim to bright when the car was braking).

That said, I have fond memories of the old boat. There really isn't anything like brown vinal on a hot summer day.

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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:10 am

But back to the Marquis, my favorite glitch, which caused my parents much anxiety, was the car's headlights would go off when the driver pressed the brake pedal (it was a known defect, I think it was the headlight switch and the mechanism that switched the taillights from dim to bright when the car was braking).

Ybacpa,
As one who's owned three Ford LTDs from the 69-78 era (1-69, 2-76s) and whose family members have owned 8 other full-size Fords and Mercs. of the 69-78 platform (ranging from a 6-cylinder Galaxie 500 to a 460 V8-powered Marquis Brougham) over a 30-year period; the defect you described is the first time that I've ever heard it.

The most common issues with the 69-78 full-size Ford & Mercs. that I experienced have been the following:

- hood hinges that would bend inward over time (I replaced 3 sets of hinges:2 on my 69 that I owned in high school and one on the 76 I had in college).

- the gearshift lever that could slip in 'Reverse'. A lot of lawsuits were filed on this one. Unfortunately, this occurred on many Ford vehicles of the day and not just the full-sizes. (my 69 and first 76 did this).

- pessimistic fuel gauges, again most Ford MoCo products of the time did this. The needle on my 69 would not go past the 3/4 mark when full.

- over time, the inside roof liner would separate at the seams. Driving with the windows open at highway speeds aggravated the condition further. The initial severing of the roof liner on my brother's 71 LTD caused the dome light cover to pop off. This happened while we were traveling about 75 to 80 mph with the windows open along Route 128 in Beverly, MA. The liners on both of my 76s started to sever as time progressed.

- finicky carburetors that won't start the car when it's raining or just after a rainstorm. My current 76 LTD does this from time-to-time (the carb may need to be finally replaced) and the automatic choke on my 69 was very picky.

As far as light switches are concerned, the only thing I've ever experienced was my headlamp dimmer button (located behind the emergency brake pedal) would stick from time to time on my 69 LTD. A few good blasts of WD-40 took care of that.

Your family's mid-size Merc. was probably either the Cougar or Cougar XR-7; their equivalent of the Ford LTD II and Thunderbird. FYI, the T-Bird/XR7 coupes of that era (77-79) were extremely hot sellers; in '78 over 370,000 of each of these models were sold.





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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:46 am

PHLBOS:
- pessimistic fuel gauges, again most Ford MoCo products of the time did this. The needle on my 69 would not go past the 3/4 mark when full.


I had a 1978 Mark V that had that problem.


Ybacpa:
The Mercur was a 1980s European Ford product.



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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:37 am

Dude.. I'm not really a huge Tina fan either, but this album was the bomb.

Hey, if you ever want a new American classis, check out a Mercury Marauder.

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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:43 am

The Mercury Marauder is amazing. Too bad it's no longer in production.

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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:44 am

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You are the expert on quad here so here's a question

As a kid I remember seeing a Quad demonstration in a major department store. They even built a mockup lounge to do it in complete with brown PVC leatherette sofa!

I can remember looking at the way it was set up, and I'm sure that the Quad LP vinyl records being demonstrated were played using a turntable with an arm that had two stylii.

Am I going potty or was this how it was done? Did someone actually develop a twin-stylus system?
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RE: Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:08 pm

Whitehatter:
No such animal of a twin stylii set up. There were some turntables that had two separate tone arms. I had a Luxman 444 that had that set up.
I miss that taurntable.  Sad



They even built a mockup lounge to do it in complete with brown PVC leatherette sofa!


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