N6376M
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Organ Donation

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:36 pm

I'd like everyone's take on the following proposal -

Why don't we make organ donation the default condition and make people voluntarily opt out? With hundreds of thousands of people on organ donor waiting lists and the fact that millions of viable organs are wasted every year, why don't we reverse the current situation.

I'm certainly not advocating that we take organs from people who for whatever reason - or for that matter no reason at all - don't want their organs donated but should we give people the benefit of the doubt that they want to help others and still give them the freedom of choice to opt out?
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:51 pm

N6376m,
there are basically two possible ways how to deal with it.
1) Everyone is presumed donor, unless he/she states otherwise. This requires some sort of nationwide database of non-donors or perhaps having such thing mentioned on your ID card, etc.
2) Everyone is presumed non-donor and permission is sought ex-post. This might lead to many organs being wasted since many of them are "useful" only for a quite short period of time, I believe it's something like 4 hours in case of heart. Also dealing with relatives in such a traumatic situation when they just lost a loved one is difficult for both parties.

Should situation like this ever happen to me, I'd be more than happy to be used for "spare parts". Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:00 am

I think there is still a lot of bias out there from many that organ transplants don't really work, that they only extend the pain and suffering of those receiving transplants. This perception really needs to be overcome first.

Secondly I do not think there is a strong enough legal document, like a living will, to ensure that your organs will parted out after death. The family can still contest the will and by the time any agreement has been reached some of the tissues will have already spoiled.

The only way to ensure that your organs and tissues will be used for medical/scientific purposes is to write it in a legal document and make sure your next of kin fully understand your wishes.
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L410Turbolet
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:23 am

I think there is still a lot of bias out there from many that organ transplants don't really work, that they only extend the pain and suffering of those receiving transplants. This perception really needs to be overcome first.

I guess they should ask someone who suffered through 3 times a week dialysis and how much the quality of life improved after a routine kidney tranplantation.
Although I'm afraid there is a certain percentage of people with so called "values" and no rational argument will work with them. They'd most likely have a passage from the Bible ready to explain it to you...

The only way to ensure that your organs and tissues will be used for medical/scientific purposes is to write it in a legal document and make sure your next of kin fully understand your wishes.

From medical point of view "presumed donor unless stated otherwise" status is more efficient. You have plenty of time to decide whether you want to be a potential donor or not while you're healthy and happy and decision either way is done by YOU. In the age of internet it should by easy to check your status for the doctors - if there'd be such database. They don't have to waste precious time with the relatives and especially their lawyers.
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:16 am

I hereby authorize my organs to be used for saving others´ lives after I die.
(whether you want them or not is up to you)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I am very much for the system where everyone is a donor unless decided otherwise. A lot of people are needlessly suffering out there.
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:19 am

I'm not going to need my organs after I'm dead... take them if you please!
But I guess specially my liver will not be in any use  Laugh out loud

I do carry a organ donation card in my valet!
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KROC
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:22 am

I'm an organ donar, but if someone does not want to give up their organs after they die...I understand that. I don't think there shuld be any mandate that states a person has to part with their organs if they die. Thats almost extremist.
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:22 am

I agree with the proposal that everyone should be considered a donor unless specifically otherwise stated. After you're dead, why not let other people in need use you for spares ? Pity to waste anything, and its a nice thought that at least some bits of you might live on and be useful after you kick the bucket.
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N6376M
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:53 am

KROC - as I said, I respect everyone's ability to opt out. But given the tremendous amount of good that would result from people being presumed to have offered consent, why shouldn't the burden of opting out be on the individual?
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:58 am

why not let other people in need use you for spares ?

Religious reasons, or just a general desire to not help anyone else.
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:01 am

But given the tremendous amount of good that would result from people being presumed to have offered consent, why shouldn't the burden of opting out be on the individual?

Isn't the burden of opting out already up to the individual?
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:07 am

The other consideration for not making donation compulsary is religious. Some of the more orthodox Judaism sects, for instance, discourage organ transplantation. It should be something left up to individual conscience.

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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:31 am

I'm an organ donor for financial reasons. Here in Georgia when you get or renew your driver's license, they'll ask if you want to be an organ donor, and if you say yes, you only pay $8 for your license instead of $15. Hey saving $7 is well worth it, because who knows, my organs may not be suitable for transplants when it comes time.......
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:36 am

Here in Sweden there is a national database with the donor register, you need to voluntary sign in on it (easily made via the Internet).

Of course I have registered myself as an organ donor.

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N6376M
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:59 am

ConcordBoy writes:

Religious reasons, or just a general desire to not help anyone else.

Aren't you one of the ones arguing that religion has no place in governmental policy. It seems that libs like you hate any church and state involvement - unless it suits your argument.

 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:24 am

Aren't you one of the ones arguing that religion has no place in governmental policy.

Uh, no.....



It seems that libs like you

Not exactly sure what you've been puffin' on bub... but since when am I a liberal?!?!?!?!  Nuts
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:36 am

What is this, the do not call list?
 
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:43 am

Back to the topic at hand. I have donated an organ, a kidney to be exact. While I think it is one of the greatest things you can do, along with donating blood, I certainly don't feel that there should be a mandate forcing people to give up their organs after death. I think the less laws governing what we do with our bodies is in the best interest of our society.
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RE: Organ Donation

Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:11 am

In Australia, we get to choose whether we donate or not when renewing our drivers license.

The form allows us to choose which parts we will or won't allow for donation. You tick an all box, or tick individual things (heart, lungs, eyes, etc), or tick that you won't allow it.

A code is then put on your license under "Donor" - and on mine it says A, which means everything.

I think it's a good system - and almost everyone has a photo license anyway, so it works out.

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