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I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:42 am

Okay, not really, but this article is amusing.

http://slate.msn.com/id/102291/

Ted Turner all but confirmed the balkanization of America when he established a cable network exclusively for the citizens of Dixie, serving up finger-lickin' TV fare that includes Andy Griffith reruns, the best of World Championship Wrestling, CNN South, and slapstick movies such as Dumb and Dumber (which, according to the president of "Turner South," gets unusually high ratings regionally).

Ouch, that one hurts.


Clinton's path to victory was the trashing of Sister Soulja as he and other Southern Democrats weaned their party away from Northern special interests (aka "the party base") such as environmentalists, organized labor, African-Americans, consumer advocates, Latinos, and gays. Gore lost the election (and even his home state, which he loyally represented for 16 years) because he went off message and dared to espouse progressive, populist themes on government, gun control, and the environment.

I can't disagree with that assessment.


Economically and socially, secession will be painless for the North. The South is a gangrenous limb that should have been lopped off decades ago. ... They [Southern states] steal business away from the North the same way that developing countries worldwide have always attracted foreign direct investment: through low wages and anti-union laws.

Hmmm, let's see. Nissan built their mammoth new plant in Mississippi because of the lower cost of living, big city nearby (Jackson), and LOWER TAXES than most other states. Boeing built it's Delta rocket plant in Decatur, AL, for similiar reasons. New England is (relatively) crowded and more socialist than the Southern states.


Imagine then, for just a moment, the North as its own nation. Trent Lott and Dick Armey would be foreigners. We would no longer be subjected to round-the-clock TV commercials for Dale Earnhardt commemorative plates. If you were to expel all Southerners from Congress (both parties, mind you) the new liberal majority would be able to pass tougher gun laws and legislation barring discrimination against gays and lesbians immediately. With the South banished from the Union, we could begin to correct the most objectionable aspects of Southern behavior with the same tools we use to engage countries such as China: by making trade and continued foreign aid contingent upon sincere efforts to clean up the environment and improve human rights. We could implement "Plan South Carolina" to convince tobacco growers to develop alternative crops. Northern observers could ensure democracy in Florida polling places. Peace Corps volunteers could teach the necessary skills that would allow Southerners to pull themselves out of poverty and illiteracy while simultaneously promoting a better understanding of American values.

This is the best part. First of all, the guy's advocating NORTHERN SECESSION, which is why they'll continue to be the US and the South can "become" the Confederacy again, right? He's a dummy if he thinks that secession means that you can kick other sovereign states out of a voluntary union. Go form the Liberal States of America if you want to, but they wouldn't be part of the USA any more.

Secondly, he's acting like the South is some sort of Third World country. Typical elistist snobbism (yes, I overdo the whole snob thing, but it's fun). When your state is as white and as wealthy as Mass, well, that's a far different cry from the poorest state in the union, Mississippi. Wealth has a lot to do with what he's describing.



Note: I don't really wish for any states to secede from the union, but I believe that they and their citizens have the right to do so, because the individual states existed first, prior to the formation of the several federal governments that we've had. They entered into a voluntary union to make things like interstate trade and having a national currency easier. However, I think that we and the world would be better off if the Southern secession hadn't been stopped by the tyrant Lincoln. There would be millions more Americans alive today (not just the 620,000 that died in the war: would we have unconstitutionally become involved in Korea, or Vietnam, or the current mess in Iraq?), and there probably never would've been a need for a civil rights movement.

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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:47 am

Hmmm, let's see. Nissan built their mammoth new plant in Mississippi because of the lower cost of living, big city nearby (Jackson), and LOWER TAXES than most other states.


With the help of fmr. Democratic governor Ronnie Musgrove. I guess dat wuzzin't good enough for ya'll.
Ya'll had to get a REAL dumb$h!t to properly represent Mississippi.


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Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:49 am

I know we have been over this before but .... I've lived in the south. It sucks. Mainly because of the born again Christians. The born agains are some of the most hateful people I've ever been around. And they are a big reason why I'm a liberal today ...
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:04 am

Heh, MD-90 your spelling of the topic makes it clear what part of the country you're from.

You think New England is socialist? I have a clue for you. The Red states consume nearly 3 times as much in social services as the Blue states, but the Blue states contribute more taxes.

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Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:15 am

"I'm All For Northern Succession"

Yes, we have succeeded.

In education for one.

If your miserable slave state had education other than that big stupid frat house you call Ol' Miss you would know that the word is

"SECESSION."

You know, I'm sick of my taxes going to shit like "No Child's bum left behind" and other crap that basically funds your pathetic Walmart grazing, fag bashing, children out of wedlock churning lifestyles.

Hmmm, let's see. Nissan built their mammoth new plant in Mississippi because of the lower cost of living, big city nearby (Jackson), and LOWER TAXES than most other states.

a. Jackson is a hole. It is not big, nor is it a city. For real cities, try Boston, New York, San Francisco.
b. The reason your slave state has lower taxes is because our higher state and local taxes here pay for our services and our federal taxes go towards subsidizing your lives.
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:17 am

What's up with building homes on a flood plain?
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:40 am

What's up with living in an earthquake prone area?
 
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:56 am

"What's up with living in an earthquake prone area?"

Great weather.
And the ability to pay for any destruction earthquakes may cause.
Unlike building homes in a fetid, swampy, hot, disgusting flood plain and then expecting the rest of the country to foot the bill when mother nature kicks you in the ass.
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:05 pm

I think it's interesting some of the most most crime ridden areas are in the south.......
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:13 pm

"I think it's interesting some of the most most crime ridden areas are in the south......."

But in their favor, so is some of the best food in America. New Orleans and Charleston have some of the best food around. And I have a thing for North Carolina barbecue. The best there is.
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:16 pm

What an ignorant post. It makes me laugh really hard to see that there are people like you in the world. It makes me proud to be who I am, and to be as well-educated as I am. Thanks. And to say something, I wish the South would give it up. They've been backwards for all these years and show no progress in becoming more mainstream with the rest of the country. Other than Georgia (a state which I adore) I hope some Southern states do seceed (sp?). We could do without states like Mississippi and Alabama. I'm being sarcastic, but that's only a SLIGHT exaggeration of how I feel.

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Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:37 pm

Actually, you could end up with 4 or 5 countries, as fractured as we are today.

Let's see:

You could end up with the South, the Great Plains and the Upper Midwest as one nation (SC, NC, VA, WV, TN, KY, IN, GA, FL, MS, LA, AL, AR, OK, MO, KS, ND, SD, WY, ID, MT, UT. ID). That could be called "Jesusland"  Big grin

Then you could have the Northeast and the midwest form a nation: MN, IA, WI, IL, MI, OH, PA, MD, DC, NY, NJ, RI, MA, CT, VT MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME, NH. That could be called, well, hell, I don't know. Think of something good.

Then you could have Texas, which no one really wants. Think of all the suffering that would ned for the rest of us.  Big grin

Then you could have CA, WA, OR form "LaLaLand", or "Fantasyland" or something like that.

You can give NM and AZ back to Mexico.  Big grin

Hawaii, I don't know who gets that-probably Fantasyland.

And lastly, in honor of L-188, Alaska is on it's own again.

Then we could all live in harmony.
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:06 pm

Would someone at MSU please give MD-90 a term paper to write or something so he would spend less time on this board and more time receiving the education that his parents are paying for!!!
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:42 pm

Oops. My mistake. From previous threads, y'all know that I do know how to properly spell secession.


What's up with building homes on a flood plain?

Typical government intervention messing with the free market. People wouldn't be so apt to build houses and communities so close to the Mississippi River or the coast if there wasn't federal insurance available.



Falcon, you forgot Hawaii. Let them be independent again. And Texas belongs in the South.



If your miserable slave state had education other than that big stupid frat house you call Ol' Miss you would know that the word is

You know, I'm sick of my taxes going to shit like "No Child's bum left behind" and other crap that basically funds your pathetic Walmart grazing, fag bashing, children out of wedlock churning lifestyles.


And yet fundamentalist Christians are the hatemongerers, right? Big grin



You think New England is socialist? I have a clue for you. The Red states consume nearly 3 times as much in social services as the Blue states, but the Blue states contribute more taxes.

I was born in Connecticut. My father lives there now. It ain't France, but it ain't Alabama, either. I would have no problem with cutting taxes for everybody and cutting government spending. We'd ALL be better off.
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:45 pm

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

I don't know if anyone has seen the new map, but it's time we make all the states that voted red in 2004 become the new "Republic of Jesusland" where the blue states would become part of the new "United States of Canada"  Smile

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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:47 pm

As if the south needed more shame cast upon its image...


...let it be known: that as one of the few other DeepSoutherners on this board, I'm thoroughly embarrassed of/for this thread  Yeah sure
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:50 pm

And lastly, in honor of L-188, Alaska is on it's own again.

Thank you for your support.

Oh btw:

We are cutting off your oil. The Chinese are offering a better price.
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:57 pm

Thank you for your support.

Oh btw:

We are cutting off your oil. The Chinese are offering a better price.


HAHAHA! That's one of the best things I've read on here in a while.

Excellent, L-188!  Big thumbs up
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:59 pm

Well, sorry ConcordeBoy.
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:16 pm

I would have no problem with cutting taxes for everybody and cutting government spending. We'd ALL be better off.

Then half the South would be homeless.

Trust me, you need us Blue states to keep paying high taxes so that there aren't Average Joe 6-teeths sleeping in your front yard.

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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:25 pm

And somebody in D.C. would know this, how?

Trust me, you need us Blue states to keep paying high taxes so that there aren't Average Joe 6-teeths sleeping in your front yard.

You just keep on thinking that we owe you one. Yeah, that's a good little feller. Yes, delusions are nice, aren't they? Uh-huh...
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:28 pm

They're not delusions. As I mentioned previously, Red states consume on average 3 times more federally funded services, but Blue states contribute many times the taxes.

Its facts. I guess ya'll don't learn about those in Starkville, eh?

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Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:34 pm

And exactly how many of those programs did the red states actually ask for?

And how much of that are farm subsidies, which are a baby of the democrats from those areas?
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:45 pm

Heh, I really don't think that matters. 3 times more people in Red states depend on some form of handout.

They vote against it with the hand they're not holding out for more.

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Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:49 pm

I perfer this Big grin

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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:52 pm

Gigneil, you are an outright deluded fool. Where does the government get it's money? By siphoning it off the private economy, which reduces wealth for everyone. You're merely parroting some fact that you heard on TV. Do you know how many churches there are down here, and how many of them do charitable work? We take care of our own, and while adjusting to such a drastic decline in income would be painful for some people, they would get through it.
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:55 pm

Duh, I went to elementary and middle school and part of high school in Port Gibson. My whole family is from the South, believe me I'm aware.

I'm also aware that your churches don't go out and help the rural backwoods people that all live on welfare and sit on their porches.

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Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:59 pm

StarAC17: Could agree with that picture more!

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Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:23 pm

It is a proven fact that charitable giving increases when tax rates decrease.

Not to mention the fact of how Southerners respond to emergencies. Even around little old Starkville, the most boring college town in America (according to ESPN), you should've heard the offers of help from all kinds of people when the hurricane was forecast to come through Mississippi (instead of swerving through Alabama like it did).

We take care of our own.

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Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:32 pm

But in their favor, so is some of the best food in America. New Orleans and Charleston have some of the best food around. And I have a thing for North Carolina barbecue. The best there is.

MA and Maine have some great seafood and Iowa has the best beef and corn around.  Big thumbs up
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:02 pm

Nevada is part of Jesusland since the state went to Bush, I dunno though, Las Vegas is sin city!
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:15 pm

Nevada, probably no; Utah, yes.
 
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:39 pm

Yet again you whine and moan on the internet, but you don't feel the need to vote? Loser.
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:45 pm

Actually, I thik if my partition happened, you'd have to partition Ohio, right around Columbus. Everything south of Columbus, would be part of Jesusland, since that's where the majority of the right-wing nutjobs live, so they'll be very happy with their capital in Atlanta. Everything North of Columbus would be part of the NE/Midwest whatever-it's-name country would be.

Being rid of redneck southern Ohio would suit us notherners just fine.  Big grin
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:33 am

What does a Hurricane in Florida, a Tornado in Tennesse and a Divorce in Georgia all have in common?

No matter what, someone is losing a trailer.
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:37 am

Then you could have the Northeast and the midwest form a nation: MN, IA, WI, IL, MI, OH, PA, MD, DC, NY, NJ, RI, MA, CT, VT MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME, NH. That could be called, well, HELL.

That would be a good name for it.
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:43 am

TYSGoVols, actually, it would be a perfect place to be, because you could keep Bush your president forever if you like, and we can pick someone who actually would govern from common sense, not his "guts".

And in Jesusland, the NASCAR flag would be your offical battle flag. What more could you ask?  Big grin
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:03 am

That could be called, well, HELL.

Then give me hell any day over that other place.




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Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:32 am

I agree with L-188. Alaska can cut off the northern supply, and we'll cut off the Gulf supply of petroleum. That leaves complete foreign oil dependency for the north.....enjoy winter time!  Big grin

Tom at MSY

PS: actually Falcon, the new flag (since Tuesday) for NASCAR is the Jack Daniels label  Big grin http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/headlines/official/11/10/liquor_approval/index.html
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:37 am

That could be called, well, HELL.

Well then, it's a cold day in hell, and I love it here. Good riddance.

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Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:53 am

Being rid of redneck southern Ohio would suit us notherners just fine. Big grin

People in Virginia feel the same way.

Virginia is a study in the economics of red v blue. The bluer Northern Virginia counties pay all the taxes, and the dark Red rest of the state consumes them all in services will paying nearly nothing.

Northern Virginia bears no resemblance to the rest of the state whatsoever.

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Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:01 am

I'm sorry, but I given the greediness of oil companies, i'm sure they'll be more than happy to do business with the North. I mean, winter + a population of about 95 million (New England, New York, PA, MD, NJ, IL, WI, MN)...that equals mucho Southern $$$$. So, you go right ahead and cut us off...we'll see how good your Southern oil companies fair.

And I think our good Southern friend have forgotten that with California and New York, we'll have the lion's share of the US economy. The only thing we may lack is some of that fine Georgia cotton.

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Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:08 am

How about these names?
NE - Elitist Republic of Snobonia
West Coast - Fantasia
South - Y'allbania
Great Plains - Flatvia
Alaska - Snowdi Arabia
NM/TX/AZ - New Texizona
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:17 am

Well done, JetService. Somehow I get the feeling I'm in the middle of a Kafka novel right about now.

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Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:09 am

I know we have been over this before but .... I've lived in the south. It sucks. Mainly because of the born again Christians. The born agains are some of the most hateful people I've ever been around. And they are a big reason why I'm a liberal today ...

Make that two of us, but I currently live in the south, and I'd consider myself a moderate, fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

We could do without states like Mississippi and Alabama.

And their reasons for living, NASCAR and college football.

And does anyone else find it ironic that the favorite sport of people in the south, college football, is played primarily by black athletes? And then when there's an amendment on the ballot to remove racist language from the state constitution (Alabama), they vote AGAINST it.  Insane
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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:22 am

"..fiscally conservative and socially liberal..."

Great. You don't like paying for all the wonderful social "benefits" you vote for.


 
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:27 am

That's better than the people that vote against the social benefits that they're standing in line to receive.

Socially liberal doesn't mean socialist. It means he's a real American, one that believes in rights and freedoms.

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Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:56 am

JeffM: As usual, you miss the point. A fiscally conservative, socially liberal person is someone who believes in republican ideals from financial standpoint. Low taxes, work programs for people on welfare, etc. But also believes in a woman's right to an abortion, equal rights for all, etc. But, I wouldn't expect you to understand such complicated trains of thought.

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RE: I'm All For Northern Succession

Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:46 am

I was born and raised on the West Coast (CA and NV respectively) so I dont have a bias toward the north or south.

"Virginia is a study in the economics of red v blue. The bluer Northern Virginia counties pay all the taxes, and the dark Red rest of the state consumes them all in services will paying nearly nothing"

Anyone can realize that the more populated areas generate more tax income. Are you in favor of eliminating rural areas and moving all people to the Northeast/Eastern Seaboard for one big megametropolis?? Hell if I had may way we wouldnt have half the social services that you complain about eating up your taxes. It's partly the liberal philosophy of free handouts that has led these rural people to depend so much on the government and contribute no taxes. It's hard to understand Democrats, first they say they are the party that cares for the people, then they are bitching about helping people...Confuses the hell out of me...
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:05 am

It's hard to understand Democrats, first they say they are the party that cares for the people, then they are bitching about helping people...Confuses the hell out of me...

It's hard to understand Republicans, first they say they are the party that hates social programs, then they are the first in line for handouts...Confuses the hell out of me...

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