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More FTA Woes For Canada

Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:36 pm

US Senator Max Baucus, wants to distribute $3 billion in soft wood lumber duties collected for Canadian lumber, to US soft wood lumber producers.

The money was supposed to be held in trust until the litigation regarding the questionable duty applied by the US was completed.

Instead, this senator sees no reason to wait for due process. Canada currently has permission from the World Trade Organisation to the right to impose retaliatory sanctions against American products after the US government refused to repeal the Byrd Amendment which allows US companies to profit from punitive tariffs collected.

The Bush administration has absolutely no intention of abiding by the Free Trade Agreement provisions. When will we end this useless free trade agreements with these bandits?
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:33 pm

The Bush administration has absolutely no intention of abiding by the Free Trade Agreement provisions. When will we end this useless free trade agreements with these bandits?

No administration has be it left or right wing. It is one thing to preach free trade in Washington. It is another thing entirely to fight every industry lobby and the politicians that are bought and paid for by that lobby. You and I might disagree about whether or not Canadian mills were dumping softwoods, but I will agree with you that the tariffs collected whether they be from softwoods or in another instance steel should never go in any way to the manufacturers that benefitted from those protections. For that to happen would be a disgrace.

The Byrd amendment is disgusting.
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:00 pm

Just wondering, slightly off-topic here, but does the Canadian economy overall benefit more rather than at disadvantage from being close to the US and with the NAFTA despite a few ongoing issues such as this lumber issue?

I mean we always hear that Canadian economy's standing today owes much of its success to the US. Well, I'd like to ask, to what extent is this true? I'm sure American companies also benefit from the access into Canada's market, albeit a much smaller one.

What are people's opinions to this? Without the "aid" of American market and 'influence', how different would Canada be today?
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:41 am

Perhaps this link will help: http://exportsource.ca/gol/exportsource/interface.nsf/vSSGBasic/es02634e.htm

When we look at just a few of the specifics of our trade with the U.S., we find that:

In 2003, the two-way trade in goods and services between our two countries reached C$1.8 billion a day.

Canada is the U.S.'s most important trading partner, taking in 19.2 percent of U.S. goods and services in 2003.

In 2003, Canada was the top export market for 37 U.S. states.

In 2002, Canadian business investment in the U.S. was valued at approximately C$202 billion. U.S. business investment in Canada was valued at just over C$224 billion.

We could add many more statistics, anecdotes and facts, but these numbers are enough to show how the economies of our two countries are intertwined, and to demonstrate the magnitude of the Canada-U.S. economic relationship.

 
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:56 am

Good grief, not soft wood lumber again.

The United States is a sovereign country and has the right to impose any tariffs they damn well choose on anything they want.

Canada has plenty of good points but the constant whining about how the US is ramming them up the ass on trade is getting old. Beef, lumber, etc... where does it end?

You have the entire world to trade with if you don't like what the US is doing. And if the rest of the world won't trade on favorable terms, perhaps its time to cut back on the welfare state and use that money to retrain the workforce to do something that the world actually wants from Canada.
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:09 am

B747-437B: The United States is a sovereign country and has the right to impose any tariffs they damn well choose on anything they want.

No, they don´t. Unless they got out of the WTO and all other international trade organizations. The damage that would do is very obviously not worth the - rather dubious - gains.
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:16 am

B747-437B: The United States is a sovereign country and has the right to impose any tariffs they damn well choose on anything they want.

They signed on to the NAFTA. Their tariffs are in contradiction to the agreement.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:08 am

They signed on to the NAFTA. Their tariffs are in contradiction to the agreement.

So what is Canada gonna do about it? Invade? Send in the mounties using a mixture of rusting Sea Kings and burned out second hard subs? Its pretty pathetic when West Edmonton Mall has a more efficient fleet of boats than the Canadian Forces do.

Get over it already. The United States doesn't play fair and more importantly doesn't need to play fair. Might is right. Of course, Canadians prefer to gather at the nearest Timmys and moan about it rather than getting off their ass and doing something. No wonder you keep taking it in the ass.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:46 am

Well Sean, when your ass is out on the street unemployed because of the US, and every small town within a 1,000 km radius is hurting badly as well, maybe you'd care. Take a drive through BC and in every town you'll see for sale signs on every other house. This isn't just some bureaucratic argument, this is a major problem affecting thousands of people and the life of a hundred towns. But I can see since it doesn't affect YOU directly, then, well, to hell with it! "Get over it already" Your compassion leaves me underwhelmed and only adds to the poor view of you that I had already.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:50 am

About the beef issue: There was a story on the news here in Calgary that said that despite the beef ban from the US beef exports are almost at par with pre-BSE levels. The report said that they're exporting a lot more beef to the EU and to lesser extent Asia.

I think it's good, we shouldn't have all our eggs in one basket.


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Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:24 am

Invade? No, unlike our neighbour to the south that isn't really our thing, we prefer diplomacy. You know, that non-war thing?? Granted our military isn't the strongest but, because we prefer diplomacy we can afford to have it that way. The US on the other hand, well, they can't really afford to NOT have a strong military given the feelings towards them around the world. Especially when they break treaties and such and piss people off. Oh, and we dont' go to Timmys, we prefer the U.N. .. again, you know that thing in New York for diplomacy .. oh wait ... maybe you don't.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:44 am

The Bush administration has absolutely no intention of abiding by the Free Trade Agreement provisions. When will we end this useless free trade agreements with these bandits?

Both the US and Canada largely abide by the FTA. This does not make the news -- only the minor trade disputes do.

The FTA is the BEST thing that has happened to the Cdn economy since Confederation. Exports to the US have more than doubled in 12 years. Each and every Cdn is enriched due to free trade with the US.

Only rabid anti-Americans and socialists are against free trade on ideological grounds.

The FTA is truly a win-win for both countries. Canada will truly reach its true econommic potential however when we drop all border/customs with the US and dollarize (ie, adopt the US dollar or fix the Cdn dollar to the US dollar).
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:58 pm

YYZ717- I was with you right up until the last sentence. You've just opened up the whole sovereign nation thing again. I have no problem with NAFTA, as long as everyone follows the rules, not just the ones they like.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:15 pm

when your ass is out on the street unemployed because of the US

How typically Canadian. Blame the US for everything, including your own unemployment problems.  Insane

Did it ever occur that perhaps these people are unemployed not because of any actions by the United States, but because they never actually bothered to develop skills that would make them marketable in a modern environment?

You complain on the other thread about not wanting your tax dollars contributing to Canada's missle defence, but you seem perfectly willing to support a welfare state for these leeches.

No wonder Canada gets the short end of trade deals with logic like that.

I have no problem with NAFTA, as long as everyone follows the rules, not just the ones they like.

Why should the United States or any other sovereign country have to follow rules that are not in their interest? Especially when they have proven time and time again that they can get away with ignoring them.

Canadians should realize that NAFTA is nothing but an indirect way for the US to subsidize the Canadian economy without providing direct aid. If Canada has a problem with NAFTA, they are always free to withdraw from it and trade with Greenland instead. I hear those polar bears are in the market for a bunch of SUVs this year....
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:30 pm

Huh? How exactly does giving billions to US lumber producers "subsidize" the anadian economy? Have you got the slightest idea how markets and tariffs work? And are you saying the US is willfully supporting the Canadian economy, when the whole point of this thread is how they are screwing us? Make up your mind.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:58 pm

Well said Sean. You present the view of an outsider (who's seen his fair share of the world). Most Canadians who are stuck in their 1 dimensional world can't comprehend what you're talking about...
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:48 pm

Bravo, well said by Sean. But I guess we'll see many more attacks from patriotic or rather typical Canadians on what you just said.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:53 pm

The FTA is the BEST thing that has happened to the Cdn economy since Confederation. Exports to the US have more than doubled in 12 years. Each and every Cdn is enriched due to free trade with the US.

Only rabid neo-nazis American lapdogs would choose to ignore the fact that Canada has to fight tooth and nail for every dollar we make from US trade and that even though trade has increased since the implementation of NAFTA, the blance of trade has remained largely unchanged.

You complain on the other thread about not wanting your tax dollars contributing to Canada's missle defence, but you seem perfectly willing to support a welfare state for these leeches.

Sean, you can't seem to stay focused. We are talking NAFTA. Not submarines, Seakings or missles. Welfare state? Leeches? I am very proud of my country and the way it treats its people. It works for us. We enjoy a high standard of living, good health and prosperity. Our economy stands out amongst the G7 countries even in spite of the lack of good intentions from those controlling trade with Canada.

Why should the United States or any other sovereign country have to follow rules that are not in their interest? Especially when they have proven time and time again that they can get away with ignoring them.

This is an excellent way of illustrating that "The US will take the first opportunity to back away from agreements when it doesn't favour them so don't bother trusting them". The US has turned its back the US too. So tell me. Why should any country trust the US? Why should anyone continue to make ANY deals with the US? Why don't we all just abandon them in favour of trade with Europe, China and India?

Canadians should realize that NAFTA is nothing but an indirect way for the US to subsidize the Canadian economy without providing direct aid. If Canada has a problem with NAFTA, they are always free to withdraw from it and trade with Greenland instead. I hear those polar bears are in the market for a bunch of SUVs this year...

Again, typical response unfortunately. Americans fail to realize that trade with Canada is just as important to them as it is to us. For one thing, can you imagine the impact to the economy if California suddenly disappeared? That represents roughly the same population as Canada. How about the sudden lack of raw materials including oil, natural gas and electricity?

Huh? How exactly does giving billions to US lumber producers "subsidize" the (C)anadian economy?

Well said. And even with the subsidies flowing to US companies their economy is in the toilet. When the US choses to ignore NAFTA for protectionist purposes, they seem to hurt themselves as much as anyone else.

In my opinion, only liers and cheats are capable of dishonoring international agreements or supporting that idea, and they are not worthy of our support or trust.



 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:13 am

Only rabid neo-nazis American lapdogs would choose to ignore the fact that Canada has to fight tooth and nail for every dollar we make from US trade and that even though trade has increased since the implementation of NAFTA, the blance of trade has remained largely unchanged.


US-Canada trade is heavily skewed in Canada's favour as we have a large trade surplus with the US. Canada-US trade is the largest bilateral trade in the world. Canada is literally booming wrt US trade.

So exactly what is it that you are whining about? Other than taking another potshot at the US for no reason other than ideology?



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Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:15 am

So exactly what is it that you are whining about? Other than taking another potshot at the US for no reason other than ideology?

This illustrates the problem with your statments YYZ717. You automatically associate the opinions of others on some specific "ideology". Well...in the words of Sigmund Freud, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

Try to spend more time concentrating on the issue rather than attacking any percieved ideological motive. It will make the discussion much more productive.
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:48 am

Try to spend more time concentrating on the issue rather than attacking any percieved ideological motive. It will make the discussion much more productive.

I am concentrating on the issue. If you look at the big picture, the FTA is a roaring success for Canada's economy. So why are you advocating scrapping it because of some minors irritants? That's akin to cutting off your arm to cure a hang nail.

The resounding success of the FTA is abundantly obvious. Only anti-Americans and socialists oppose it.
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:41 am

A few points on this one:

1. Softwood lumber is not a minor trade irritant. More than $3 billion in illegally collected duties now sits in the U.S. treasury, having been collected over the last 2+ years through tariffs that have been shown by every dispute settlement panel, time and time again, to be completely unjustified. The money continues to accumulate at a rate of $150 million a month. It is, by far, the biggest bilateral trade dispute in the world. If the duties don't survive the NAFTA appeals (and so far the U.S. is losing virtually every battle) the money is supposed to come back to Canada.

2. Baucus's new bill promises to distribute that illegally-collected money among the US producers who made the complaint before the dispute settlements process has been completed. That's out and out theft, and it contravenes not only U.S. law but is in violation of both WTO and NAFTA rules that the U.S. is committed to abide by. The Byrd Amendment that allows for the disbursement was itself declared illegal by the WTO more than a year ago -- but it has yet to be repealed.

3. Canada and the US signed the first FTA (morphing into NAFTA when Mexico came on board) specifically to put an end to a string of bizarre decisions by the highly-politicized trade tribunals, aka kangaroo courts, in both countries. The dispute settlement mechanism was the answer. The problem has been that Canada (and Mexico) win more than 90% of the disputes. Rather than have a hard look at how unfairly their own trade tribunals function, the US blames NAFTA/WTO/Canada/Europe/communists or the man in the moon -- whoever is the handiest target. As a result, the U.S. does everything in its power to delay the ultimate application of NAFTA (and WTO) decisions not favourable to them.

3. Here's the amazing thing that very few people understand. These NAFTA dispute settlement panels (that keep overturning anti-dumping and countervailing duties on Canadian lumber) have only one very narrow mandate -- to determine whether or not U.S. trade rulings comply with U.S. law. In other words, these panels (the members are U.S., Canadian and Mexican trade experts) are throwing U.S. trade rulings out BECAUSE THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH U.S. LAW! Not Canadian law, not Mexican law, but U.S. law.

Bottom line here -- the U.S. willingly signed on to FTA/NAFTA and the WTO. Hell, the U.S. was the lead nation in developing the WTO. The whole idea is to conduct trade through rules-based systems that everyone agrees on. To do that everyone (including the U.S.) has to sacrifice some soveriegnty. That means you accept the decisions that go against you as well as the ones that go for you.

NAFTA, overall, has been of great benefit to both Canada and the U.S. Mexico has benefitted to a lesser extent so far. But if the U.S. continues to flout its own laws, completely undermining the foundations of the agreement, it will die. That will be bad news for all three countries. And if you think it doesn't matter to the U.S. -- remember that one of the provisions of NAFTA requires Canada to participate fully in a continental energy market, providing oil, gas and electricity at market prices. One of the rules is that Canada can't turn off the tap. If NAFTA dies, so does that agreement.

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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:25 am

The resounding success of the FTA is abundantly obvious. Only anti-Americans and socialists oppose it.

Nobody here, as far as I can tell is opposing the NAFTA. The issue is the failure of the US to abide by the agreement.

Your "anti-American/Socialist" rant is getting very tired YYZ717. Most of us realize that it your way of avoiding the real issue. Just continue to stick your head in the sand and blame "socialism" for all the worlds woes. Why not blame the boogey man while you're at it. In your mind I'm sure either target is just as tangible....

 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:30 am

Nobody here, as far as I can tell is opposing the NAFTA. The issue is the failure of the US to abide by the agreement.

Airplay, let me repeat your comment from the intial post:

The Bush administration has absolutely no intention of abiding by the Free Trade Agreement provisions. When will we end this useless free trade agreements with these bandits?

You are indeed advocating the scrapping of FTA/NAFTA.

The US are not bandits. They are Canada's best friend and primary economic partner. We need them. Most of our trade is fair and balanced. You need to develop a rational view of the US Airplay and cut the left-wing hyperbole.

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Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:18 am

The Bush administration has absolutely no intention of abiding by the Free Trade Agreement provisions. When will we end this useless free trade agreements with these bandits?

Yep...I wrote that. All I can offer is some clarification. I think the Bush administration is the source of much of the damage to the NAFTA with respect to US/Canada trade. I went a bit overboard with the suggestion of scrapping it all together without options. What we really need is someone who will honor the provisions of the agreement. Barring that...yes. Scrap it and start looking for more stable and honest trade partners.

The close proximity and large market are great reasons to have a free trade agreement with the US, but GWB is ignoring the provions of the agreement and using trade to punish us for not toeing the line in my opinion.

With respect to your backhanded "left wing" comments that you tack on the end of every post, its just childish labeling. I don't consider myself "left wing" however you seem to be associating lying and cheating a right wing attribute. So the message here may be, don't enter into business agreements with right wing extremists.
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:25 am

What we really need is someone who will honor the provisions of the agreement.

The FTA/NAFTA is largely honoured on both sides already. Case closed.

GWB is ignoring the provions of the agreement and using trade to punish us for not toeing the line in my opinion.

No, he's not. You are using one dispute with the US as a massive quantum leap to continue your anti-Bush diatribes.

Scrap it and start looking for more stable and honest trade partners.

Canada is stuck with the US as our priamry trade partner. Given their size, it's in Canada's interest to get along.





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Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:32 am

The FTA/NAFTA is largely honoured on both sides already. Case closed.

No its not. The Case will remain open even if you choose to bury your head in the sand YYZ717.

No, he's not. You are using one dispute with the US as a massive quantum leap to continue your anti-Bush diatribes.

The thread is called "MORE FTA Woes...." not "Just one single little thing". The US has several NAFTA challenges on the fire that the WTO is eyeing. Reading a newspaper once in awhile would do wonders for you YYZ717.

Canada is stuck with the US as our priamry trade partner. Given their size, it's in Canada's interest to get along.

That is quite a narrow-minded view on business. Do you not see any potential in Europe or Asia for Canadian trade? Many of us real Canadians do see the potential and are seriously pursing it. We haven't made it this far by sharing that defeatist attitude with you.
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:43 am

If you want a thorough understanding of just how badly the U.S. has abused NAFTA, go to this site and download the report on Chapter 19 -- what went wrong.

Put together by a Washington law firm specializing in trade, it documents several instances of downright treachery. It also shows a Canadian federal government totally asleep at the switch, seemingly unaware of the importance of all this, and in some instances actually arguing against its own self-interest. This report came out during the last federal election -- but hardly anyone picked up on it.


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Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:49 am

Canada is stuck with the US as our priamry trade partner. Given their size, it's in Canada's interest to get along.

That is quite a narrow-minded view on business. Do you not see any potential in Europe or Asia for Canadian trade?


No, it's a realization that our BEST oppty's for trade lie in the US since they already take 87% of our exports. I never advocated ignoring other countries, merely chose to emphasize the relative importance of the US.

Many of us real Canadians do see the potential and are seriously pursing it.

"real" Canadian? and I'm not? Just how old are you?



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Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:57 am

"real" Canadian? and I'm not? Just how old are you?

Is there a minimum age for being Canadian that I'm not aware of?

Seriously though, regardless of what little flag you chose to attach to your messages YYZ717, your comments are quite anti-Canadian and strongly pro-USA when it comes to any discussion that involves both countries.

Where does your loyalty lie? Ironic use of the word "lie" don't you think?
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:06 am

your comments are quite anti-Canadian and strongly pro-USA

One day you will realize that being pro-US is not being anti-Canadian. Too many socialists and anti-Americans take the stance that the US MUST be opposed on all fronts.

I'm more open-minded. I recognize that Canadian goals and US goals are more in sync that not. While FTA/NAFTA works, there will always be minor or irritants. These will be resolved in due course. Only hard-left reactionaries wuold advocate scrapping NAFTA/FTA.


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Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:41 am

One day you will realize that being pro-US is not being anti-Canadian. Too many socialists and anti-Americans take the stance that the US MUST be opposed on all fronts.

I didn't say that being pro-US was neccessarily being Anti-Canadian. You manage however to possess both qualities in my opinion. You seem to favour a US advantage in the NAFTA.

Only serverly mentally challenged right-wing nuts would advocate the continued support of an agreement that "other" side has little intention of respecting...or perhaps drunken skin heads. Sober skin heads would have more sense.
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:23 pm

Why should any country trust the US? Why should anyone continue to make ANY deals with the US? Why don't we all just abandon them in favour of trade with Europe, China and India?

I agree completely. The moment that the US imposed tariffs on Canadian soft wood lumber, Canada should have started trading with someone else. Especially with the US track record of ignoring NAFTA rulings, there was absolutely no assurance that Canada would ever get the money back. That Canada chooses to still trade with the US is a reflection on their complete unwillingness to think dynamically outside the box. Sadly, that is typically Canadian.

The whole idea is to conduct trade through rules-based systems that everyone agrees on. To do that everyone (including the U.S.) has to sacrifice some soveriegnty.

Here again, the Canadian love of martyrdom in the world interest rises to the surface. Reality check. No country in their right mind wants to "sacrifice some sovereignity" when they can get better results without doing so. The United States has learned that their military and economic strength gives them the leverage to trade on their terms. If you don't like it, deal with someone else who plays fair.

One of the provisions of NAFTA requires Canada to participate fully in a continental energy market, providing oil, gas and electricity at market prices. One of the rules is that Canada can't turn off the tap. If NAFTA dies, so does that agreement.

Hahahaha. If Canada so much as dreams of reneging on that agreement, you'll be saluting the Stars and Stripes before the week is out. Canada's complete lack of military power simply means that the United States calls the shots each and every time in every aspect of the US-Canada relationship. The shadow of a hostile invasion will forever lie over Canada's head and that alone is enough to force Canadians into compliance. The sad part is that they then try to rationalise this fear and compliance into some sort of self-righteous moral superiority.

One day you will realize that being pro-US is not being anti-Canadian.

Amen. Being pro-Canadian is to act in the interest of CANADA. If the US interests are aligned, so be it. If they aren't, well tough beans.
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:34 pm

Purely speculation but if the US tried to invade Canada don't ya think the Brits might have something to say about that??

Here lies the proof that the missile shield is ridiculous .... seems like the only ones we have to worry about invading and attacking us (Canada) is the USA!!  Big grin

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