Blackbird1331
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End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:03 am

There were quite a few suggestions that the "Non-Av" forum be eliminated from A.Net on a site related thread.

One major concern seemed to be topics that dealt with politics because it tends to lead to flaming and character assault.

As a member, do you want political discussions banned from the forum? Or see an end to the Non-Av Forum?

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dan2002
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:06 am

That was the case about a year ago, first it closed down then went to first-class members only then back to normal, and the reason the warning is at the top of the page now.

-Dan
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:08 am

I wouldn't like to see either one of them banned because in the case of the non-av forum there are some pretty good topics on there. However, the political threads do tend to get out of hand just like the A vs B ones do, so i think i'd lean more towards banning the political ones if i had to choose. It's just a shame that some people go way too far when replying to someone's comments or opinions about politics, or anything else for that matter!!

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EGGD
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:12 am

Whether you remove the forum or not there will still be vindictive, childish members on this site. I'd rather see the Non-av forum stay rather than be closed due to a small number of members.
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:21 am

There's been talk about ending this forum. A few people don't seem to like the fact that some of us don't want to talk aviation 24/7/365  Smile

I personally think it'll be mistake, but the decision is not up to me.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:25 am

Those things are a kind of censorship; if there is a non-aviation forum it is to discuss whatever we want on the rules, it there are childish, flaming, bashing comments it is because this is a community where people from all over the world gathers. There are moderators and rules, so if the non-aviation forum is going to be eliminated the only thing that it shows is the incompetence of those moderators to do his/her job.

On the other side, the closing of the forum may have some legal issues because this is a Payware site so if you don't get what you bought a reimbursement should be done, it is not that one day the owner decides to close it just because we woke up in the bad mood or because he hated something he read....

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:29 am

Well, don't close the Non-Av Forum, but enforce the rules more...
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:39 am

I've mentioned this before, but I'm for a split in the Non-Av forum into a hot-button forum (i.e. politics, religion), and an all-else forum. This has been done on another large forum I participate in with marvelous results. However, a detailed explanation will be reserved for the site-related forum when the time comes around.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:45 am

If you feel uncomfortable with the discussion in the non_av forums, then don't read them. If you have an uncontrollable urge to scold someone then do it elsewhere.

In my opinion its much more annoying to read inaccurate posts in the tech_op forum than discussions about politics here.

 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:53 am

Why is it so hard for people to just not read the political ones if they don't want to? Don't ban it for the ones that actually conduct themselves with some decency.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:57 am

Since this is an AV site, I suggest the following:

No anet member can contribute MORE non-av than av related postings.

Perhaps this is impossible to manage/program. I do however see little value in any anet member who contributes 90% of their posts in non-av. WHy are these people on an av site?
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Falcon84
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:02 am

. WHy are these people on an av site?

Maybe because, in my case, I work for an airline, and I may find threads that inform me, or that I can contribute what knowledge I have. But since I don't feel like just talking "shop", it's nice to come over here, and discuss with people from around the world, different issues ,and seeing the different prespectives that I otherwise could never see.

To me, that alone is a good enough reason to keep it.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:04 am

End it? Of course not. What a stupid idea.

It's not as if anyone's being forced to read the posts on non-av, is it?
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:05 am

Then why on an av-forum Alpha1? I would bet 98% of your posts are on non-av. Why not on a political blog site?

In response to the original question, I would also support removal of the non-av column, even though I do enjoy it. Or, as I suggested, limiting the non-av contribution on a per member basis.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:16 am

I don't see any reasons at all to ban the political threads or to close the non-av forum all together.

I believe that when the forum-rules are applied in the same way by all moderators, the discussions on this board would not turn in to a flamewar by reply # 4! The rules on how to discuss and what can and what can't be said and done are there and are perfectly clear.

Perhaps adopting a more strict policy regarding temporary banning would help (eg. 3 posts completely off-topic = x days banned), but this can only be done when all moderators apply the existing rules equally.

I generally don't like the non-political threads, but I don't ask to ban them all together. I simply don't read them. Other people should try that.

Yyz717:

"No anet member can contribute MORE non-av than av related postings. "

That certainly is a way to lower the quality of the av-forums, as people would start to post just anything to be able to post on non-av. That's a ridiculuos idea and it would certainly annoy many on the av-forums who hardly ever read or post on non-av.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:20 am

Nooooooo dont end it!! If I remember right they closed the Non-av before, and it didn't go over all that well.

The problem wont be solved by ending the non-av. Putting more effort into making sure people follow the rules will definetly help, but just closing it up and pretending the problems never existed to begin with is a stupid idea.





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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:30 am

"No anet member can contribute MORE non-av than av related postings. "

That certainly is a way to lower the quality of the av-forums


Yes, I see your point. I'm not necessarily advocating it, just a thought.

Realistically though, this is an AV site. To restrict it to av topics is not unreasonable, in theory.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:34 am

Then why on an av-forum Alpha1? I would bet 98% of your posts are on non-av. Why not on a political blog site?

Because I genuinely like most of the members on here, even the ones I don't agree with. Is there a problem with that? I don't see one.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:36 am

I agree. The actions of a few shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us. As I said in a recent debate, the approach of "ban...ban....ban"....."more laws...more laws" is never the answer to any problem.

The only way to solve it is to better enforce the rules that are ALREADY IN PLACE and single out those who are creating the havoc.

The idea of closing Non-Av is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it IS Johans website and he can do whatever he wants.

But the flipside to that is that some of us are paying customers (First Class Membership) who pay for the use of this site, which includes the Non-Av.

If the general consensus is that we want to keep Non-Av open, maybe if all of us First Class members cancelled our memberships and Johan took a deep hit to the wallet, then maybe that would be a wake up call.

Of course, he IS from Sweden.....where Capitalism is not a high priority....

and the database is really the core of the site...so maybe he won't care.

But it is a suggestion.

 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:40 am

I came to this site because of my interest in aviation, and in process liked what I found on the non-av. I don't think that this forum should be closed down, even with its sometimes flaming political threads. Argument is a part of life and if the mods do their job and the people who don't want to read about politics don't read the thread, what is the problem?
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:41 am

Actually I like the Non Aviation Forum, here you can discuss about everything because here are members from (almost) all over the world who can answer your questions. Ok, a few (mostly racist) idiots are everywhere, so simply ignore them or press the "Suggest Deletion Button".

It seems that the "US political discussions" hype also slowed down (the elections are over), so no reason to close this forum!

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:50 am

Since this is an AV site, I suggest the following:

No anet member can contribute MORE non-av than av related postings.


That is not a good idea. I am an aspiring airline pilot. Although I know quite a bit about aviation, there is no way I could contribute what some others here know. I am here to learn as much as I can, and have some fun, too.

But back to topic, I really enjoy reading non-av. Where else can you interact with people around the world on a daily basis? There is a lot of great info in non-av, such as traveling info, etc. It is a great place to learn about anything and everything.

Please do not close the Non-av forum. Even though this is an aviation site, it would be a great loss to a.net.

And to those who want in closed, or to ban political discussion, I day this as nice as possible:

DO NOT COME IN NON-AV OR CLICK ON POLITICAL THREADS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ THEM. DO NOT RUIN IT FOR THOSE WHO ENJOY IT!!!!!!!!
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:09 pm

If you close non-av, you´ll have non-av all over the place.

Similar effect as having a plugged sewer.

Still want to shut it down?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:10 pm

I can't stand it when people complain about the non-aviation forum. If people don't like how heated the discussions get then don't come on. People shouldn't ruin it for those of us who enjoy it, like me.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:35 pm

I can't speak for anyone else, but I for one really enjoy the non-av forum, even more than the aviation one.

When I first started in the forums a year or so ago, I only knew of the aviation forum. After a while, it seemed like the same threads kept getting recycled, and after countless defending/explaining the United Airlines situation over and over again to no avail., I finally got burned out on the entire thread. Those "Peter Max" threads keep on going and going, ugggh...those and the NW DC-9's. Enough, already!  Nuts

I found the trip report forum, which I enjoy, but this forum allows me to "vent" on hot-button topics, but also learn and read about other members who I see posts from all the time. Nice to match a face/personality with a username. I also enjoy the "fun" topics, and the pictures that people post, especially those from eBaumsworld, just crack me up!  Laugh out loud Therapy after a tough day on a shitty job, trust me.  Insane And the emoticons...I love 'em! It really allows me to express my personality! (or lack thereof?  Insane  Laugh out loud )

I've always been respectful of others in this forum, despite how heated I might get on certain topics, and likewise...I've never been suspended for even a day.

Keep the forum. Enforce the rules. People who can't follow simple rules shouldn't be allowed to participate, period. It's as simple as that... Big grin
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:30 pm

don't close the Non-Av Forum, but enforce the rules more...

...you forgot "equally!"
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:15 pm

EQUAL ENFORCEMENT is exactly what it is all about.

You cannot change the overall tone of this forum if rule violations are enforced selectively or inconsistently.

If they WERE enforced equally, there would be a LOT of deletions - and this would certainly get the point across very well.

But as it stands now, a person can knowingly post something in violation of the rules and take a 'gamble' on whether they'll get singled out for a day.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:04 pm

I advocated in early 2004 to ban presidential threads from hte non av, as they were (already!) getting out of hand. The answer I received at the time, although a bit harsh, was quite justified though : "You don't like it ? Don't read it..."

So, no ban on political threads IMO

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:10 pm

I'd be willing to bet that if you close the non av forum, you would see a significant drop in membership renewals. I, too, first signed on because the aviation forum caught my eye but I have found the non av forum to be much more informative as well as more apt to trigger spirited debates about current events.
Also, unless there was a disclaimer in place at the time the membership fee was collected, I agree with Juanr in that there may be legal ramifications if the owners of the site suddenly decide to discontinue options that were initially available.
So, save yourselves a headache (and a reduction in membership) and keep the non av forum.
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:04 pm

When I joined, it was because I had some AV questions that I needed answers to...which I got...I'm NOT a real AV person, just have some interest...so most AV threads do nothing for me...I still looked for those that did...within last few months, I found that this (non-AV) forum was more interesting to me...and yes, i found many posts that were hostile, flaming and such...most often they were from liberals in political threads...but I just put up with their lack of civility as I have to do with some people...

I live alone and am semi-retired, so my contact with other people is quite limited...some weeks, I don't have any contact with friends at all...so this forum is a way to interact with other people a bit...which I definitely ENJOY! Now if I only knew how to type faster...



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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:11 pm

Banning the Non Av forum is like taking Brisbane out of Australia. It is not the main forum (Civil Av is) but it is a big big part of a.net.
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:12 pm

most often they were from liberals in political threads...but I just put up with their lack of civility as I have to do with some people...

LMAO!!! Ah yes... The very bad and naughty Liberals. They should really be a shamed of them selves. Big grin

Edit:

But yes... I wan't this forum to stay as well. I like aviation too. But I'm not a fanatic like many others in here  Laugh out loud
I like to read about the stuff that really interests me and the stuff that I have to deal with in my daily life at work.

[Edited 2004-11-23 10:15:06]
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:20 pm


The Non-Aviation forum should be kept. It is usual to see political and religious topics turning to disputes; users should keep a civilized manner of discussing and moderators are always suing those who dare to offend the general rules of this forum.
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:22 pm

Don't eliminate it! If I don't like a topic I will avoid it. And not all political debates will end in flame wars.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:34 pm

Of course, he IS from Sweden.....where Capitalism is not a high priority....

Care to back that up?
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virgin744
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:13 pm

Blah, blah....We've had this discussion countless times, and for those older members- they will remember the time when Johan closed the Non-AV forum.

I dont think we should be dscussing this any more than it already has been. the Mods know the rules, WE know the rules, they can delete ANY post they deem unacceptable and ban any person who breaks the rules.

When you access the forum(s) from the main page this is what is written about the Non-Aviation forum;
This forum is for topics not related to aviation. It can be anything really, reflections on why you think Microsoft is a cool company to why you'll never buy a Nissan. Topics tend to be rather controversial in here and discussions can be heated. You've been warned.

ALSO at the top of the topics its clearly states;
Do not post in here unless you are capable of expressing yourself in a civilized manner. Our rules will be strictly applied and users banned permanently and without warning if they violate them.

nuff said.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:32 pm

Isn't this a funny place to post a thread wanting to end Non-Av when the vast majority of people in here kinda like to post in here? I'm thinking you won't get much support for this in this forum.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:49 pm

Perhaps this is impossible to manage/program. I do however see little value in any anet member who contributes 90% of their posts in non-av. WHy are these people on an av site?

For me, I am a big Aviation fan. I enjoy the great pictures on here and I do like the Military forum and the Non-Av Forum.

In the Civ-Av forum I could really care less about "What to expect on my CLE-CVG flight?" or "Airline XXX cancels 1 daily flt into XXX." So I don't click on them and I come here. Pretty easy.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:10 pm

I like the Non-Av fourm, especially as it does 2 functions: 1) all posts on subjects that may be on the edges of airline aviation can be put here, thus reducing clogging up of other forums; and 2) The mix of people here, from all over the world, makes for interesting conversations, and not just on political issues.
Perhaps what could be done? 1) All non-avs posts are deleted from the servers after 30 days; 2) Moderators enforcing posts/threads rules, but have intermediate penalties and not just a total ban of a poster, especially on silly posts; 3) like in other posts that no A v. B posts are allowed, do the same thing here as to certain subjects that are far too often sources of flame wars.
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:27 pm

I have to agree with what both Diamond and what Falcon84 has already said. Though I wish this site had the ability to block the users that you did not want to read.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:29 pm

Hard to expand much on what has already been said, but it's nice to be able to develop a rapport with certain users with similar interests such as aviation, and maintain that in a non-av forum. As Falcon points out, it's not all shop talk all the time, many htreads can be informative, and different opinion, even on hot-button items can lead do insights you may not have considered before. I've always thought that there's not much point to having an opinion on an issue if you don't share it with others. Also, as Klaus has indicated, if you shut down this pipeline, the waste will flow into the open pipes. More work for the Mods!

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:10 am

Why overruling a place if there's no actual need for that?

I think all of us know what we can find here, which are the manners and sometimes things can get a little out of control; but is that a reason for closing the forum? NO!
If we are here know, we know and we agree, otherwise we would be attached to Civil Aviation or Trip Report only. This is an expression way for all of us that want to participate. The rest is control of information, censoring and controling. Not the spirit of an Internet forum...

Don't overrule!!!!!!!!!

Just a thought...

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:15 am

The system should be democratic. If more than a certain number of people suggest the deletion of a topic, and the moderator agrees, then the moderator may delete it. A monitor could not just delete a topic on his/her own. Big grin
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:27 am

I think that since there are some clearly divided camps that haunt (yes I'm in one of them) non-av... it would be pretty ridiculous to shutdown it because some of us get out of control sometimes. But more than that, many people walk away completely pissed at what has been said at times... but I gaurantee you it causes many of them to pause and think... They won't admit it, but you know it it's go on. The exchange of information, edification and in some cases enlightenment is an enriching experience ... unfortunately they may come laced with a few insults (my last 3 post have been deleted rather swiftly). I've even been threatened... Big deal and it doesn't bother me! ... but I do think if the moderaters are doing their job and seems they are to some extent... they should come down hard on anyone who threatens a kid or any young person here, because that is WAY out of bounds! Outside of that..leave it as it is... people know when to walk away and take a break!

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:35 am

Here I am in 100% agreement with BN747....the non-av forum serves a beneficial purpose in keeping the arguments and non-aviation conversations off the other threads, and they keep people on their toes and thinking (well some of them).

People could be more polite, and could use less invective, but it's a free thinking zone where we can gather to exchange our views. Sometimes we'll agree and the rest of the time we will slam each other.

If you don't like the forum, stay away from it. Banning it because you are tired of it is like taking your neighbors ball and going home because you are tired of the game. Grow up and act like an adult.

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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:41 am

Perhaps this is impossible to manage/program. I do however see little value in any anet member who contributes 90% of their posts in non-av. WHy are these people on an av site?

If the owners of the site didn't want their members to have an option to discuss non av topics, the non av site wouldn't be offered. If you're that opposed to people contributing to the non av forum, then simply don't access it.
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:41 am

I have to disagree with the deletion cause it's one of the most active forums.
Plus I see no harm in political discussions, as long as every one behaves and follow rules, I actually enjoy them as much as I enjoy Airbus vs Boeing threads.
The non-av section is the only community in the whole web where I turn to when I want to know any general info about any thing.

SO please do not change any thing.
 
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:40 am

Ban political discussions in a NON-aviation discussion, and I thought this was the 21st century where people could freely air their political views without fearing persecution or attack.
Take away the political views of anyone here and this isnt a demotic forum, it becomes a communist forum, where even arguing about who you want/dont want in power will lead to a dismissal or getting banned, and IMO that would be wrong.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:27 am

I know Kerry and Bush wanted to post on the non-av forum but were in fear of being deleted. There needs to be a place where people can say what they want, as long as it is civil, and not be in fear of being deleted and banned. The rules are sujective. The poster thinks what he says is okay. The mod does not. The mod wins by default.

If you cannot speak without fear of reprisal, then it is not woth speaking at all. Is that the type of forum you want? I want a "Speak Your Mind" forum but one that is done with dignity. If the mods do not like what they hear, too bad.
I did not join to please the mods.
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RE: End The Non-Av Forum?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:46 am

NO, DON'T end the Non-Av forum but perhaps a separate forum for strictly political topics should be established to separate those often heated topics from the usually calmer, non-political fare. There's a distinct, Europe vs. the USA and vice-versa flavor in a lot of the political topics, as well as the familiar conservative vs. liberal banter which makes me think it's a good idea to relegate all such threads to a separate forum. Non-Aviation would then become a bit kinder and gentler, overall, with all the political squabbling going on elsewhere. Members going for a Political Topics forum would know they're getting into more heated threads; many others would specifically avoid it for just that reason. Politics is really in a separate class from other non-av topics; seems to me it deserves a separate forum.

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