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Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:56 am

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=585368

http://www.liddyshow.us/liddyfile50.php


"at assemblies where the national anthem is played, I must suppress the urge to snap out my right arm." His beloved German nanny taught him that Hitler had - through sheer will-power - "dragged Germany from weakness to strength."

This gave Liddy hope "for the first time in my life" that he too could overcome weakness. When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body." He describes seeing the Nazis' doomed technological marvel the Hindenberg flying over New Jersey as an almost religious experience. "Ecstatic, I drank in its colossal power and felt myself grow. Fear evaporated and in its place came a sense of personal might and power."






Perhaps this sicko (and G W Bush supporter) shares the same "core values" and "moral clarity" of Adolph Hitler.

Why does this fool have his own talkshow?
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:02 am

He's a shock jock, he gets ratings by being controversial, like Stern, and other like him.

I think you will find 99% of conservatives believe that Hitler was an idiot. I am sure that I can find at least a couple of democrats that thought Stalin was a great man, there is tape of a protester that thought that Saddam was a great guy because he provided health care for the people he didn't rape and kill.

There are idiots on both side Superfly, give it a rest trying to cast blame on the entire party based on what one whack job said.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:08 am

PPGMD:
give it a rest trying to cast blame on the entire party

Party?
What party?
I am pointing out an ideology, not a political party. I know the entire Republican Party doesn't support Hitler.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:11 am

If you are pointing out an ideology then you didn't need this swipe at the GOP to make your point:

Perhaps this sicko (and G W Bush supporter)...

And if this is your point why make this thread. I am sure that we all know that Hitler and Nazism is bad, it was ingrained in all but the most moronic during school, and the learned found out in even more depth of his horrors.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:14 am

Superfly, there are extremists on both sides, both liberal and conservative.

Aside from these extremists, you'll find that conservatives and/or Bush supporters don't praise Hitler.

With the wording that you're using, you are implying otherwise, and you are dead wrong.



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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:15 am

PPGMD:
You are erily silent when right-wing nuts here irresponsibly paint Jackson & Sharpton as racist. In fact you've joined in on the circle jerk.
There are Nazi and KKK sympathisers on the right.
Why can't you admit that?
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:16 am

The same mechanism that helped Hitler into power still works the same way - people are susceptible to it, just not as vulnerable as they were back then and there.

It would be so "nice" and simple if it were just a genetically caused deformity limited to the german people; But as noted above, people actually adored Stalin and other dictators as well.

Remaining awake and strong enough not to fall for it is the key.

Bush is not Hitler, nor should they be compared. But the propaganda employed by the republican party is chillingly similar to what went down in Germany of the 1930s and before 1918. Not in the targeting of the jews - that parallel does not exist - but in the general exploitation and instrumentalization of fear. The simplification to the point of falsification.

The recognition of the parallels has been a major factor that turned germans off the Bush campaign from the beginning.

I don´t think the outcome will be the same; The USA of 2004 is not (remotely) the same as the Germany of 1914 or 1933. But I can only urge everybody to get to know the ways the Kaiserreich and the Nazis operated and how they used the emotions of the people. It is more than interesting...
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:19 am

NWA742:
We all know the Bush/Germany connection back in the 1930s & 1940s. No need to bring that up again.
It's just ironic that this Hitler supporter was an ardent Bush supporter as well.

True, most Bush supporters don't like Hitler. I know that but I doubt any Nazi-sympathizers supported Kerry.

Most Bush supporters just wanted a tax cut and afraid of gay marriage. Big grin
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:22 am

Klaus:
Thanks for chiming.  Smile
I think Klaus carries a lot of weight on this subject because he lives in Germany and the destruction caused by Hitler is a lot closer to home than the many fools in the gated communities, suburbs and trailer parks of the United States that supported Bush.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:25 am

Probably because I don't live my life in Non-Av. For the most part I browse during my spare time during the day, which means limited time.

Anyways I strongly condemn the KKK heck if it wasn't illegal I would want to personally put rifle rounds in many of the KKK leaders (though burning their offices with them inside would be more appropriate justice), but also remember that prominent clans men have also been Democrat. And there are also Communist sympathizers on the left too. Like I said there are whack jobs on both sides.

I also believe that Jackson is a crook that should be investigated, and that Sharpton goes to far in his accusations but believes himself to be on the right path, but I do not recall in joining in any threads on that subject. If you want to talk about black rights, go ahead, that's a subject that I am not interested in because it's all rhetoric, I believe that any person can pull themselves up by their boot straps if they want to. They simply need the desire.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:32 am

You are erily silent when right-wing nuts here irresponsibly paint Jackson & Sharpton as racist

But I'm certainly not... they're correct to call spades spades.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:43 am

ConcordeBoy:
...and you've just as much as a "spade" in there eyes even if you are just half.


PPGMD:
I feel sorry for anyone who lives there life in Non-Av or Internet in general. Everyone knows that The Democratic Party was once the party of SOuthern plantation owners and Klan members.

I don't see how one can equate Communism to racism and genocide. Stalin was a sick man and genocide had nothing to do with Karl Marx's ideas.

Those who rush to flame me should be ashamed for not condenming G. Gordon Liddy.




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Superfly

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:58 am

Superfly: I don't see how one can equate Communism to racism and genocide. Stalin was a sick man and genocide had nothing to do with Karl Marx's ideas.

Not directly... But the problem was that Marxism has always been thought of as an authoritarian regime, even if Marx had the illusion that "the masses" would be the dictator.

In real life, it turned out to be an "excellent" breeding ground for crazy dictators. Not that unchecked capitalism was any better in practice - but capitalism doesn´t necessarily prescribe a specific political order. It´s a bit more flexible than marxism and can somewhat easier coexist with democracy... (although it does by no means require or even just promote it - it´s democracy which often chooses capitalism, not the other way around!)
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:12 pm

It is funny how the modern left always tries to rewrite history and cast the Nazis as "right wing". Anyone who has actually studied the Nazis know that they were just slightly to the right of the communists on the political spectrum. The Nazi Party (better known as the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Workers Party) drew most of its initial support from two groups, the lower classes of society and academia. How did they gain the support of these groups? Simple, they promised the same things as the party these two groups usually supported, the communists.

It's sad but it seems that those who like to hurl the "Nazi insult" are usually the ones closest in ideology to the NSDAP than those that they are accusing.
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:34 pm

B757300: It is funny how the modern left always tries to rewrite history and cast the Nazis as "right wing".

Because that´s what they were.

They used a little pseudo-socialist rethoric, which apparently is enough for you to swallow the bait.

But in all the fundamentals they were very much right wing:
- chauvinist
- nationalist
- authoritarian
- thinking in hierarchy, not community
- factually fully on the side of the industry, not on that of the workers, despite propaganda claims to the contrary


B757300: It's sad but it seems that those who like to hurl the "Nazi insult" are usually the ones closest in ideology to the NSDAP than those that they are accusing.

Judging from your usual national-chauvinistic, authoritarian and hierarchical way or thinking and arguing, you´re not one to talk.
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:19 pm

NWA742 said it best, and I have to back him on that one.

There's nuts all over the spectrum, folks.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:30 pm

There's nuts all over the spectrum, folks.

Agreed. Then why is the thread-starter continuing to look under rocks for so-called conservative racists? What is the aim or goal here?  Insane
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:37 pm

Then why is the thread-starter continuing to look under rocks for so-called conservative racists?

Same reason why some conservatives look under every rock for left-wing lunatics: because they can.  Smile
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:47 pm

and you've just as much as a "spade" in there eyes even if you are just half

Yes, but unlike you, I've realized that from day one  Big grin
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:13 pm

It's sad but it seems that those who like to hurl the "Nazi insult" are usually the ones closest in ideology to the NSDAP than those that they are accusing.

Just to show you something in relation to Reply #6 from Klaus to show how Bush's regime has been somewhat Nazi-esque in the use of the propaganda.



Also, 757300, Nazism is so far right of the political spectrum it is not funny. It is nowhere near Communist doctrine -- Communist doctrine does not allow for the wholesale slaughter of millions of people belonging to a particular group, even though Stalin did kill several million in the name of Communism.
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:29 pm

"A-ha. So, Mr Liddy, do you feel that your early, formative love for Hitler shaped your political behavior later in life? "Oh, no," he says somberly. He renounces Hitler's war against the Jews as "evil" and flaunts his support for Israel's hard right as evidence he is not an anti-Semite. "It was part of my childhood, that's all," he says."

Superfly...you take an editorial written by a very biased columnist and accept his conclusions as fact, when they ignore what the object of this hatchet job said.

Terms like nazi and communist are too often thrown about here, and people like Klaus who see them under the bed at every opportunity tend to remind me of the boy who cried wolf. When they actually identify one someday no one will listen.

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:29 pm

Also, 757300, Nazism is so far right of the political spectrum it is not funny. It is nowhere near Communist doctrine -- Communist doctrine does not allow for the wholesale slaughter of millions of people belonging to a particular group, even though Stalin did kill several million in the name of Communism.

Are you kidding? Nazism and Communism share many parallels. They are chillingly alike:
1. Both espouse racial superiority of the majority population in that country (whether Germans in Germany, Russians in the USSR, Han Chinese in PRC).
2. Both espouse socialism and economic nationalism.
3. Both are profoundly undemocratic.
4. Both ignore and reverse all civil liberties.
5. Both breed megaomaniacs as leaders.
6. Both are territorial expansionist.
7. Both killed millions in the name of orthodoxy.
...and perhaps most importantly,
7. Both have been defeated and discredited.

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:42 pm

Ahhh once again the political terrorists are spinning facts and spreading propaganda. This time, agent of political terror for the Democratic Party, Superfly, uses the comments of his Republican counter part to spread fear around that anyone who isn't liberal is a supporter of Adolf Hitler, blindly following what his democratic party handlers tell him and of course casting a label on a whole group of people. Of course Superfly will deny this, but his intentions are clear as he, like all of A.net's political partisans is too transparent for his own good.

Meanwhile, agent of political terror for the Republican Party, B757300, quickly responds in kind casting all of the left as "rewriters of history", and stating that they are the true Nazis...

What is boils down to is two five year olds saying, "No, YOU are!" No, no, no! YOU are!"

No surprise here at all.

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:16 pm

Yyz717: Are you kidding? Nazism and Communism share many parallels.

One significant difference is that we´ve seen a necessarily "pure" form of nazism, but so far hardly any form of communism. Not that I´d absolutely wanted to, but what communism originally meant has very little to do with what we´ve seen implemented.


Yyz717: 1. Both espouse racial superiority of the majority population in that country (whether Germans in Germany, Russians in the USSR, Han Chinese in PRC).

Wrong! Communism explicitly denounces racism and national chauvinism. It preaches the unity of the "working masses" all over the world. It´s its primary appeal.


Yyz717: 2. Both espouse socialism and economic nationalism.

Wrong! The nazis conducted their war and the holocaust with strong support from the private german industry. Krupp, IG Farben, Degussa and many others aren´t notorious just for the heck of it! Apart from a little pseudo-socialist propaganda, there was nothing.


Yyz717: 3. Both are profoundly undemocratic.

At least in theory, communism is built on democratic principles. It was rarely done that way, but we´re talking about communism, right?


Yyz717: 4. Both ignore and reverse all civil liberties.

So did absolute monarchy, theocracy and almost all other forms of government.


Yyz717: 5. Both breed megaomaniacs as leaders.

Not really. Hitler was there before the movement. Lenin, on the other hand, was not really comparable to Hitler (no saint either, of course).


Yyz717: 6. Both are territorial expansionist.

Not comparable. Nazism sought to expand its territory by killing or subjugating the local populations. Communism always tried to distribute the ideology, but not the people.


Yyz717: 7. Both killed millions in the name of orthodoxy.

So did almost every other form of government.


Yyz717: ...and perhaps most importantly,
7. Both have been defeated and discredited.


So have almost all other forms of government. With very few exceptions, democracy being one of them.


Boeing4ever: Al-Qaida, Democrats, GOP...the three most dangerous groups threatening America. Can YOU identify the agents of terror on A.net?...I can!

I see. Pan-paranoia sure beats mono-paranoia!  Nuts
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:20 pm

I see. Pan-paranoia sure beats mono-paranoia!

As opposed to your blindly following one political party like Superfly and B757300 do. Call it paranoia if you will, but the facts are undeniable. America is more divided than ever. The Democrats and Republicans have historically driven America to Civil War once before...and they will do it again unless they're stopped.

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:48 pm

Yyz717, no I am not kidding. If you took the time to read what I wrote, instead of reading what you wanted to read, you would see that what I wrote is spot on the truth.
 
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Boeing4ever

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:24 pm

Boeing4ever: As opposed to your blindly following one political party

I don´t see how you can judge my "blindness" in that respect. I´m always willing to argue and to bring evidence when required.

The Difference you don´t appear to recognize just happens to be so massive that it doesn´t take much to decide.
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:28 pm

Politics aside, any one who can unite a country like Hitler did is someone to be admired. Look at the original thread and see how it made people feel. We don't have modern politicians generating those sort of emotions. Hitler was adored by the masses for a long time despite the fact that his policies and actions were dispicable.

I don't admire him for what he went on to do and what he was responsible for, but you have to consider him one of the greatest leaders of all time.
 
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Saintsman

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:34 pm

Saintsman: Politics aside, any one who can unite a country like Hitler did is someone to be admired. Look at the original thread and see how it made people feel. We don't have modern politicians generating those sort of emotions. Hitler was adored by the masses for a long time despite the fact that his policies and actions were dispicable.

You´re misunderstanding what was going on. His only way of "uniting" Germany was to put dissent under penalty of death and persecuting, incarcerating and finally eliminating any opposition.

There is nothing "great" about that. I can only recommend you to learn a few things about history.

He was able to emotionalize many people. And he was a fanatic. Nothing to admire.
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:13 pm

Klaus,

Pehaps admire was the wrong word. I'm fully aware of what he ended up doing but he had to start somewhere. From an objective point of view, what he did was very clever and there were many people who were in awe and did adore him . He was a great leader in the early days. Once he turned into a psycopath it was impossible to get rid of him and he was by no means great then.

Make no mistake, what he ended up doing is nothing to praise or admire.
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:27 pm

Klaus:
He was able to emotionalize many people. And he was a fanatic. Nothing to admire.

...and that worked for many working class White Evanglical Christians in Southern Ohio many of whom lost there jobs within the last 4 years that share the same "core values" and "moral clarity" of George W. Bush.

what ever that means.  Yeah sure
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:14 pm

Kinda like Ohio Dem. Marcy Kaptur’s comments equating Osama bin Laden’s mass murderers to patriots of the American Revolution but that's another story.

HITLER'S PUBLIC STANCES

for..............................against

abortion.......................atheism
capital punishment.........capitalism
censorship....................communism
Christianity..................."degenerate" art
eugenics......................democracy
euthanasia....................feminism
genocide......................Freemasonry
gun control...................gypsies
Leni Riefenstahl films.......homosexuals
racial purity...................Jehovah's Witnesses
vegetarianism.................Jews
...................................labor unions
...................................miscegenation
...................................nudism
...................................pacifism
...................................Poles
...................................pornography
...................................prostitution
...................................psychoanalysis
...................................Slavs
...................................smoking

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:30 pm

Saintsman: He was a great leader in the early days. Once he turned into a psycopath it was impossible to get rid of him and he was by no means great then.

If you look at his personal history you´ll see that he had been a psychopath long before he became even publically known. He had a certain knack to manipulate the people of his time, sure. But "great leaders" are something entirely different.


Techrep: against atheism

Not exactly. Nazism increasingly turned into an atheist ideology.

Techrep: against capitalism

Wrong. See above.

Techrep: for Christianity

Wrong. Christians were sidelined and often persecuted; See above.

Techrep: against miscegenation

Huh?
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:26 am

It is funny how the modern left always tries to rewrite history and cast the Nazis as "right wing". Anyone who has actually studied the Nazis know that they were just slightly to the right of the communists on the political spectrum. The Nazi Party (better known as the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Workers Party) drew most of its initial support from two groups, the lower classes of society and academia. How did they gain the support of these groups? Simple, they promised the same things as the party these two groups usually supported, the communists.

Hardly. While perhaps they had some common factors, they were more or less opposites of each other. And not to mention the fact that Hitler came to power with the help of the upperclass businessowners who were petrified of Communists coming to power.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:27 am

I call these “chicken or egg” type arguments. The left needs to demonize Bush and create scare tactics to shock the uninformed or polarize their respective politic unit. These “Nazi caricatures” were started by moveon.org early in the GWB campaign. Two ads comparing Hitler to Bush were presented by moveon.org on their website.

One of the ads featured Hitler with his hand raised in salute, which then morphs into footage of President Bush raising his hand at his inauguration. Cries of "Sig Heil! Sig Heil!"

It’s clear the left started these attacks and they continue till today. The importance of spreading propaganda in elections is important when candidates or platforms are weak. The left arguably has been the best at it over the years but the right is also not innocent.

I actually find that making such stretching “Hitler” comments about Bush or any candidate is dangerous. I have noticed over the years these stretching comments are becoming commonplace in politics and I feel it polarizes the country into two groups. No longer are you allowed to choose a candidate for his positions! You chose evil or good! And that’s just wrong Folks!

American polotiks will eventually suffer from these types of negative elections and it can be argued the last election is a perfect example. Republicans infuriate me when the same tactics are employed using “us vs. them” tactics. Bush actually used the tactic to polarize the nation for his attack against terrorism by saying “your with us or against us”!

I learned a lot about my country and myself this election. I learned we are collectively going in the wrong direction politikally. I had to read George Orwell’s novel 1984 again because of the similarities I found.

George Orwell's novel 1984 presents us with the phrase "Ignorance is Strength" This statement relates to the 21st century because people avoid being educated on issues they don't have to personally deal with from day to day.

We had a lot of stone throwing around after the election and that to a degree that was healthy discourse. I just want everyone to understand the left needs the right as much as the right needs the left. We need difference of opinion on issues such as race, religion, abortion, sex and polotiks. Without differences we disserve Hitler, Pol Pok, Stalin or any other fill in the blank dictator.

Let’s continue to have differences but I want people to understand I don’t dislike them I just dislike their polotiks.


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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:30 am

One of the ads featured Hitler with his hand raised in salute, which then morphs into footage of President Bush raising his hand at his inauguration. Cries of "Sig Heil! Sig Heil!"

No offense guys. But somethimes when he raises his hand it sure looks like he makes that nice Nazi greeting Big grin

And I want to add at the same time that I don't think Bush is a new Hitler. It's just funny to see his greetings some times  Big grin
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:31 am

Miscegenation is a term invented in 1863 to describe people of different human races (usually one European and one African) producing offspring; the use of this term is invariably restricted to those who believe that the category race is meaningful when applied to human beings. In modern usage, the term is only common among those who believe that such "race mixing" is inherently bad.

An example of how anti-miscegenation laws were enacted can be seen during the 1930s, when the racist and Anti-Semitic Nuremberg Laws enacted by the Nazis in Germany against the large German Jewish community, forbidding marriages between the Jews (deemed as Untermenschen - "lower people") and German Aryans (deemed the Übermenschen - "higher people"). Many interfaith and intermarried couples committed suicide when these laws came into effect.

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:40 am

tut tut, TechRep, aren´t we supposed to mark quotes clearly as such?  Laugh out loud Big grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:50 am

Yes, sorry I did not provide the link. It can be deleted

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:37 am

FLy...nah, I think he's nuts...I just don't think he's a nazi and I believe that the appellation has been overused and therefore somewhat neutered in its affect.

He's a serious hardass who does not take any shit off anyone, and I think he is probably to the right of Genghis Khan, but he has never in my memory called for mass murder or the eradication of any particular race.

He merely stated in his book, "Will", the effect had upon him by his nanny and the expat german community, of which there was a huge one prior to the war. The German-Amercian Bund was discredited and its members were watched by the FBI, but it had an impact on perceptions. His influences were definitely there, and I think it is good that he recognizes what they were and that he can distinguish between the good and bad ones. My grandmother told me that prior to the war many in France supported Hitler as a solution to German economic woes that affected everyone else. THey began to learn from jews emigrating, then escaping Germany during the 30's about what Hitler was really doing and then reacted in the manner you might appreciate, but the impact was recognized and passed along to me along with the lesson that one should be aware of the factors influencing your life and that we are responsible for doing something about it. This did not make my grandmother a nazi, even if she spoke with a certain awe of the German propaganda machine, and a definite fear of Rheifenstahl type films and public personas that could hold sway with an audience.

Hell, she did'nt even like DeGaulle because she thought he had too much power over French people.

That is what Liddy is about as well, I think. I don't like some of his politics or his public persona, but I respect (in the sense of appreciating his abilities and power, not really in liking it, as opposed to admiring him) his will and determination. The dude is an 80 something year old you would not really want to mess with.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:46 am

Perhaps this sicko (and G W Bush supporter) shares the same "core values" and "moral clarity" of Adolph Hitler.

Why does this fool have his own talkshow?


Why is the fact that he supports President Bush a factor for you?

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:12 am

Can't you see that it is totally irrelevant whether that idiot Liddy supports Bush or Kerry. Or if he supports me or Superfly or anybody else.

It is completely the wrong way around.

The only thing which is relevant to discuss is whether Bush or Kerry supports Liddy. No more, no less.

Whether Liddy fools around on TV or some (other) mental hospital, who couldn't care less?

Another thing, it was "interesting" to read the discussions on this thread about how left or right Stalin and Hitler were.

You cannot talk about left and right unless you have a pluralistic, democratic governing body where different opinions can be spoken out freely and compromises can be made. Neither Stalin nor Hitler were left or right, they were wrong.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:30 am

The only thing which is relevant to discuss is whether Bush or Kerry supports Liddy.

You make the mistake of assuming that you have to love everything about Liddy or hate everything about him.

It's possible that either Bush or Kerry could like various things he's said or dislike them - but I sincerely doubt you'd ever hear ANY politician agreeing with someone's view of Hitler as being someone great.

Besides, what I get from this is that he was impressed by the sense of awe that came from total power like Hitler's, not the way he wielded it.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:09 am

No, no, no dear EA CO AS, I don't love or hate him, I just ignore him.

But it's relevant to know that Bush and Kerry also ignores him.

...Bush or Kerry could like various things he's said or....

Well, who didn't agree with Stalin or Hitler too, when they said "drive your car on the right hand side of the road"? We cannot say that because they were sick in their head, then every law they stood by had to be re-written.

The only puzzling question is, why do TV stations put such an idiot as Liddy on the tube? I may have a few valid answers to that question:

- he is cheap
- he makes people so angry that they actually grab the remote and switch on the fool box
- consequently adverts flow into your livingroom and money flows into the TV station bank account.
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:01 am

ConcordBoy:
I don't think


Agreed... though I suggest you try it sometime, works wonders  Big grin
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:10 am

No, no, no dear EA CO AS, I don't love or hate him, I just ignore him.

As do I - so we're in agreement there.  Big thumbs up

But it's relevant to know that Bush and Kerry also ignores him.


Why, though? I guess what I'm ultimately wondering is why it's important to know what political figures think of Liddy when no one actively seeks out their opinions on other polarizing figures such as Michael Moore, Howard Stern, etc.

Is Liddy (or his commentary) so noteworthy that it's suddenly relevant to know a person's opinion of him?

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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:21 pm

I don´t see how you can judge my "blindness" in that respect. I´m always willing to argue and to bring evidence when required.

The only reason I don't completely assault you like said political terrorists on these boards.

The Difference you don´t appear to recognize just happens to be so massive that it doesn´t take much to decide.

Red M & M, Green M & M, there all the same color in the end...same goes for the political diatribe that people swallow...it's all the SAME shit. Both parties are after control. And if you truly understood why the race was so close this year, you'd realize that there is LITTLE real difference between them.

The GOP, the Democratic party...they're large machines out for POWER...nothing else. Neither is out to help it's constituents.

Just look at Superfly and B757300...they are typical sheep, fully under the control of either the Dems, or the Reps. They have a feverish worship of these organizations...they judge other Americans based on their political preferences, not on character...this is what the parties want...this is dangerous...and I would imagine that a citizen of a nation that was victimized by such a party (Nazi), you'd be able to recognize the warning signs.

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Boeing4ever

Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:00 pm

Boeing4ever: The only reason I don't completely assault you like said political terrorists on these boards.

Maybe you should take your medication again... You´re rambling...  Nuts


Boeing4ever: Red M & M, Green M & M, there all the same color in the end...

Have a look at the issues and how they divide the US population right now. You´ll notice fundamentally different attitudes, views and priorities. Claiming that having an exponent of one or the other vastly different camps in power would make no difference whatsoever is ahistoric and plain old unrealistic, even if some of your criticism is certainly valid. (And that´s not just a purely american phenomenon, either.)


Boeing4ever: Just look at Superfly and B757300...they are typical sheep,

I´m waiting for the maniacal laugh erupting any moment now...  Nuts
 
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:06 pm

What a mess.
Only me, Prebennorholm and Klaus had the class to condemn Liddy's comments and discuss the topic at hand.
One from Denmark one from Germany and then of course me who is the voice of reason from the United States.

Almost 600 people world wide at this site opened the thread and almost 50 replys and only two other members bothered to stay on topic and acknowledge the idiotic comments by Liddy.

If these statements were made by jerks like Savage, Stern or Hannity it would be no big deal.
G. Gordon Liddy on the other hand was President Richard M. Nixon's rented thug. Therefore he is a much higher profile individual and a part of the GOP apparatus.


The fact that it's Bush supporters at this site that chose to flame me rather than condemn Liddy's statements show's your 'true' feelings and your set of values or lack of.


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Me, a sheep?  Laugh out loud
Don't make me laugh!
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RE: Another Conservative Praises Adolf Hitler

Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:19 pm

Almost 600 people world wide at this site opened the thread and almost 50 replys and only two other members bothered to stay on topic and acknowledge the idiotic comments by Liddy.

I would have said my opinion about it. But it's just not worth it in threads like this. And I can only tell you that I'm on yours, Klaus and Prebens side.

I simply didn't post anything about it because I would have been flamed right away. There are some real nutcases in here who flames you straight away because you don't share the same opinion as them.

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