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US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:11 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4060249.stm

A US senator has called on UN Secretary General Kofi Annan to quit over alleged corruption in the oil-for-food programme in Iraq

"Norm Coleman alleges ex-Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was allowed to profit from the UN-backed scheme and that Mr Annan is ultimately responsible.

The Republican senator is conducting a congressional probe of the allegations"

This is the first time a senior politician has called in plain terms for the secretary general to go.

Mr Coleman, who is chairman of the Senate investigations sub-committee and a member of the Senate foreign relations committee, claims Saddam Hussein personally made more than $20bn in illegal profit from the scheme.

The attack follows the disclosure earlier in the week that Kofi Annan's son had received money from a company under investigation in connection with allegedly corrupt oil-for-food payments.

The UN says there is no evidence of wrongdoing, but asked if the Bush administration still had confidence in the secretary general.



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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:31 pm

No need to worry. Our politicians often grandstand for any silly reason that strikes them. How soon you have forgotten the last election with its lies, inaccuracies and denunciations. Fortunately the more intelligent among us have learned to dismiss most things politicians say as self serving. Why else would someone spend millions to run for an office that pays a couple of hundred thousand? The same is true of the wealthy donors to those campaigns. Influence on Capitol Hill costs big time.

The last I heard our law espoused "innocent until proven guilty" and not the reverse. In any event, unless proven that Kofi Annan knew of and approved such illegal and immoral practices, he remains innocent, and is certainly not responsible for his grown son's actions. Prudence might seem to dictate caution before making accusations which might prove to be false, but not many politicians are prudent.
 
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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:41 pm

Coleman is a joke and I think if anyone should be asked to resign it should be him.

Using political power to get in the news to make a name for yourself not only makes him look like an idiot but it also refects badly on our entire country to the rest of the world.

It is obvious that this was timed to overshadow the UN re-sturcturing document that is to be released today and with no factual evidence to back up his claim it won't go anywhere.

He also doens't even seem to care that he is shooting his own party in the foot with his wild accusations as both Condelza Rice (at the time assisting Chevron, the largest US importer of Iraq crude) and Cheney were both involved with the Oil for Food fraud at a far greater extent than Kofi Annan.

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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:52 pm

If President Bush's daughter (either one) was on the payroll of a company that was involved in a big scandal the same people hammering Coleman, a popular moderate republican, would be screaming bloody murder and demanding that President Bush resign.

Annan has presided over a complete trainwreck at the UN and the oil-for-food scandal was allowed to be completely corrupted through mismanagement and neglect at best, and through complicity and payoffs at worst.
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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:57 pm

This has nothing to do with oil-for-food. This has everything to do with using a grenade-thrower to foster U.S. policy to get rid of Annan because he opposed the war in Iraq. This has all the earmarks of a Bush/Cheney play: use someone to do their dirty work.

They want Kofi gone for pissing them off over Iraq. That's what this is really about.
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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:11 am

If President Bush's daughter (either one) was on the payroll of a company that was involved in a big scandal the same people hammering Coleman, a popular moderate republican, would be screaming bloody murder and demanding that President Bush resign.

Of course they would but remember that the Euros and U.S. liberals worship at the alter of the United Nations. Anything that disses their god cannot be tolerated. Of course if the Oil For Food scandal had been discovered by a Democrat administration and they called for Annan to resign, the same ones now trashing Coleman would be praising the Democrat(s) and in lock step with their calls for Annan to resign. They support Annan because a Republican is in the White House and the Republicans control Congress.
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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:27 am

You know the sad thing, B757300? You actually believe what you say. This has nothing to do with "worshipping" anything; it has do with one thing: cut-throat politics. You try to wax poetic in your by-the-platform speech every time, as if it were out of a book written by Karl Rove, but what you say has nothing to do with reality or the real world-it's all hogwash.

Maybe try thinking for yourself instead of reading from the ultra-right playbook, like you always do. I don't think you've ever put your own thought into any of these kind of discussions. It's all memorized rote from watching too many right-wing political speeches.
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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:27 am

Are you kidding? This just makes me mad. Why are our elected officials wasting their time on this? Why don't they spend their time on fixing the budget problems, or figuring out the social security problem, or other stuff important to our country! God this is so obnoxious, this guy needs to get off his high horse, and if the senate actually does go through with an investigation, I'll be pissed.
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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:25 am

Dl021:

"If President Bush's daughter (either one) was on the payroll of a company that was involved in a big scandal the same people hammering Coleman, a popular moderate republican, would be screaming bloody murder and demanding that President Bush resign."

That example can't be compared with Annan's situation, or that of any other UN Secretary General, for the fact that no Secretary General has got the power nor responsability to elect companies involved in its many (international) programs, such as the "Oil-For-Food" program.

"Annan has presided over a complete trainwreck at the UN and the oil-for-food scandal was allowed to be completely corrupted through mismanagement and neglect at best, and through complicity and payoffs at worst."

Annan wasn't the 'CEO' of the UN. He didn't run the place and, most important of all, he did NOT take the decisions. As almost anything in the UN, the decision-taking is done by all Member Nations and NOT by Annan. All he has to do is to procure that the decision taken and the policies adopted by the Member Nations are actually carried out, which is a difficult task. If Nation A for example votes on a resolution to control Nation B's waterways with their own naval forces, to avoid smuggling, for instance, but Nation A actually fails to do so, all the UN Secretary General can do is to remind Nation A of its obligations. He can't force Nation A (as many seem to believe) to actually implement/enforce the Resolution Nation A has voted on favourably. He can only ask them, again and again, in a diplomatic manner. That's his job and that's all the power a Secretary General has got.

Falcon84:

"They want Kofi gone for pissing them off over Iraq. That's what this is really about."

Not only that, I also believe there's a couple of other factors. First, the future of the UN and its Security Council (being discussed today, if not misstaken). Secondly, Bush II Foreign Policies over the next 4 years (Iran, etc.).


Once again, I find it remarkable that neo-con America is talking about the resignation of Annan when they haven't got a clue how the UN exactly works, how decisions are taken and, most important of all, which nations monitored the "Oil-For-Food" program extensively over all these years and had the power, ability and responsability to control the whole program on kickbacks, surcharges or any other form of fraud. Apparently, at least one of these nations failed to do so then, reason for which I can only guess why this whole 'scandal' is coming out precisely now when relations between the US and the UN aren't at their best, to say the least.
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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:52 am

If President Bush's daughter (either one) was on the payroll of a company that was involved in a big scandal the same people hammering Coleman, a popular moderate republican, would be screaming bloody murder and demanding that President Bush resign.

And Norm Coleman would be defending President Bush through every pore of his slimy ass.

And while we're on the subject of being on the payroll of scandal ridden companies, I have one word for you:

HALLIBURTON.
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RE: US Senator Calls For Kofi Annan To Resign

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:45 am

Why don't they spend their time on fixing the budget problems, or figuring out the social security problem, or other stuff important to our country

Precisely. Like sorting out the corruption and corruptive practices which are part and parcel of most governments, particularly in Washington.

Of course if the Oil For Food scandal had been discovered by a Democrat administration and they called for Annan to resign, the same ones now trashing Coleman would be praising the Democrat(s) and in lock step with their calls for Annan to resign.

Not at all. The same STFU would be directed at them too (at least from myself anyway). Sort out corruption in your own ranks before trying to pass judgement on others -- it's a classic case of pot--kettle--black.

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