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Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:35 pm

As an Iraqi Assyrian (Christian) I'm glad that some Assyrians are finally doing something about the bombings of churches and the intimidation that Christians face. It's quite sad because religious tensions didn't exist, at least not on this level, and the Assyrians have always been well respected since we are the natives of the land between the two rivers. It's very sad to see this happening and hopefully our plight will be made more public...

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Iraq/2004/12/04/765801-ap.html
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RE: Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:40 pm

This is a quote from him:

"We will not accept that our people's ethnic and religious background be used as a card in the hands of foreign forces to interfere in Iraq and to prolong the occupation," Kana said.

We (the Christians) don't want to be blamed for the prolonging of the occupation. We just want to be recognized as a distinct religious and ethnic minority.

for more info:

http://www.nineveh.com



http://www.assyrianchristians.com/news.htm
[Edited 2004-12-08 05:41:13]

[Edited 2004-12-08 05:44:01]
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RE: Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:56 pm

All my solidarity to my fellow brothers and sisters in Irak. Moslems rights are, as it should be, respected in most of the west (USA and Europe). They have great and beautiful mosques in Rome, Paris and London among other cities. I've always wondered when the west will start to ask just the same from some Islamic nations where Christians are oppressed. I find ironic that Saudi Arabia is pouring lot of money in many Christian nations to build Mosques, yet they would never allow even a small Christian chapel in their land. Tolerance works in both ways.

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RE: Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:45 pm

Tolerance works in both ways.

True.
But the Saudis are not a tolerant bunch. They barely tolerate the rights of their own fellow Muslims, let alone those of others.

As far as the Assyrians are concerned, I doubt if the US much cares. There are bigger fish to fry. I suspect that most of the hapless Assyrians will become global political refugees and flee Iraq. Democratic elections in Iraq will eventually create an Islamic republic that will never respect the rights of minority religions.
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RE: Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:51 pm

Obviously, the occupation has destroyed a secular country and made it a hotbed of extremism..
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RE: Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:24 am

BA, QR332 and all the other Arab members...what are your thoughts?

I'll bet that if this post was about Muslim minorities there would have been more replies by some members ...  Insane
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RE: Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:31 am

As far as the Assyrians are concerned, I doubt if the US much cares. There are bigger fish to fry. I suspect that most of the hapless Assyrians will become global political refugees and flee Iraq. Democratic elections in Iraq will eventually create an Islamic republic that will never respect the rights of minority religions.

Very well said Jaysit. It's unfortunate but it sounds true. It shows the double standards of the US government sometimes...
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RE: Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:01 am

BA, QR332 and all the other Arab members...what are your thoughts?

My thoughts are that this is very good news and minorities should always have their rights protected regardless of their religious backgrounds.

I have always felt that minorities add a nice flavor to a nation's culture. Rather then be all the same, it is nice to see minorities.

The key is tolerance and understanding between each other.

However, I believe it doesn't have to be Iraqi Christians who go and protect other Iraqi Christians.

It should be Iraqis protecting everyone regardless of their religious backgrounds and ethnicities.

If there is going to be a division, Iraqi Christians helping Iraqi Christians while Iraqi Muslims helping Iraqi Muslims, etc. this division can be dangerous in the long run and lead to intolerance and tensions. Sectarianism is not healthy. This is also an issue that is faced in Lebanon and many are trying to fight it and bring people closer together and make Lebanese look at each other as Lebanese regardless of religion.

Extremism needs to be fought on all sides.

Getting to the issue of Iraq. I am not convinced that it will become a truly democratic state...but a state to serve for the US' agendass. But we will see...

I really would like to be proven wrong. Time will tell...

If it is indeed becomes a democratic state, then it should be secular. I have always been pro-secularism.

However, if it does become an Islamic Republic. Do not assume that minority rights will disappear or their rights will be abused. Under a TRUE Islamic Republic (run under Islamic Shariah law), all minorities, the people of the book (Christians and Jews) are to be protected and their rights are to be protected.

However, when religion gets involved in politics, corruption almost always arises, which is why I have always been a strong advocate in separation of religion and state which is why I am a secularist.

Saudi Arabia is truly not an Islamic state, even if they claim to be. Their rules and policies are in violation of so many Islamic rules. In addition, they are a monarchy. Monarchies are forbidden in Islam. Technically, the only form of government acceptable in Islam is a government run by the people with leaders who are elected by the people, so yes...a democracy. This is why you hear the term Islamic Republic coined a lot.

There are three Islamic Republics I can think of. The Islamic Republic of Iran, Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, and Islamic Republic of Mauritania. Although Iran is far from democratic and is controled by corrupted mullahs, they do hold elections, but the leaders who are elected and the parliament are weak and are always overruled by the religious mullahs.

I'll bet that if this post was about Muslim minorities there would have been more replies by some members ...

Marco, don't assume anything... This week and next week are finals week and I don't have time to look at these forums. This is the first time I look at the Non-Aviation forum since the weekend, so cut me some slack.

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RE: Some Good News For The Iraqi Christian Assyrians

Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:33 am

BA

Thanks for the reply.

As for this part:

However, if it does become an Islamic Republic. Do not assume that minority rights will disappear or their rights will be abused. Under a TRUE Islamic Republic (run under Islamic Shariah law), all minorities, the people of the book (Christians and Jews) are to be protected and their rights are to be protected.


History has proven that this is incorrect and that the Middle East isn't the best place for minorities, especially non-Muslims. Under Islamic law "Sharia" the people of the book are labelled as "dhimmis" or protected minorities. They cannot serve in the army and are forced to pay a tax "jizya" for their own protection. Now the enforcement of these laws have varied from time and place to place, however they are intrinsically inegalitarian, placing non-Muslims below Muslims. You can refer to the pact of Omar for more info.

Also, what about the people that don't fall under the category of the "people of the book" - athiests? Bahai? Buddhists? Hindu's? etc...


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