racko
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New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:23 am





Looks great imho, both the exterior and the interior.

Sorry that the photos look a bit strange, it's because the forums automatically reisize the images to a width of 650 and ignore my width setting of 512.
To get proper images, visit this site:

http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2041208.009/mercedes/1.html
 
Arniepie
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:17 am

Hopefully it will be better (quality wise) than the previous model which was horrible, to say the least.
Problems my girlfriend had during the first(and only) year she drove one.
-windows wouldn't go down anymore.
-airco failure
-all kind of bizarre interference with the sound system
-management computer broke down
-central lock refusing to work (4 times)
-dubious build quality (pieces that didn't fit properly, strange wind noises,etc...)
-...
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L410Turbolet
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:32 am

it looks exactly like a clone of KIA SORENTO!
 
flight152
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:35 am

While the exterior and interior design does look much better, i'm not a huge fan of the Kia like fender flares. Hopefully they will have relibility issues that plagued the class fixed before it goes on sale.

This will be a 2006 model.

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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:45 am

Funny when the Koreans influence the Germans......
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gigneil
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:10 am

I dunno what quality problems you had, but I put 75000 miles on my 2000 ML55 and never had any issues to speak of.

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Arniepie
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:29 am

I dunno what quality problems you had, but I put 75000 miles on my 2000 ML55 and never had any issues to speak of.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your ML55 is actually an AMG version.
Maybe it has less reliability issues.
My girl used to drive a ML320 CDi and hearing from other people who also drove ,or are still driving it, she was not the only one with these issues.
I also seem to remember some comment I picked up in one of those English car magazines (TOP GEAR I believe) where they held a survey among their readers (JD Power) and the car scored very poorly.
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:47 am

My dad used to drive the ML320 CDi. It was a crappy vehicle, we had so many issues with it:

The automatic mirrors wouldn't work (most of the time).
Endless problems with the aircon (water used to drip down the sides of the vents!).
The boot wouldn't lock properly, and it swung open once when we were driving at 120 km/h! That was scary!!
The power steering fluid leaked once, and we had gooey stuff dripping all over the front cabin.

That was it, my dad just had about enough of the "Mercedes" quality and sold it.

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dazultra
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:49 am

In the recent Top Gear survey here in the UK, owners placed the M Class 142nd... out of 142 lol

and mercedes came 29th out of 34 manufacturers surveyed ... dont make em like they used to...

 
Superfly
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:34 am

One of the most stupid useless vehicles on the market along with the bmw X5, Lexus RXseries and Infinity fx35.
Overpriced piece of $h!t.
This car-based unibody vehicle has no off road capabilities.
I'd much rather go with a E500 diesel wagon if I had to have a new Mercedes family vehicle.
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gigneil
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:52 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your ML55 is actually an AMG version.

It was, yes.

My girl used to drive a ML320 CDi and hearing from other people who also drove ,or are still driving it, she was not the only one with these issues.

Hmm. The CDi ML isn't available in the United States. Maybe there are some differences?

I think they are offering CDi in the other platforms this year. I wish more cars were diesel.

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flight152
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:58 pm

I think they are offering CDi in the other platforms this year.

The E320 CDI is the only CDI model offered in the United States.

The E320 CDI Sedan does not meet the emissions requirements of California, Maine, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont and is not available in these states.
 
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:22 pm

That's really too bad because I'd like to see a new diesel Mercedes on the market here.
At least MB can do that right.  Smile
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:38 pm

Isuzu with the Mercedes star. No thanks on this Daimler product.
 
Superfly
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:42 pm

By the way, is this M class supposed to be there Aztec chaser?  Laugh out loud

It's a shame that the new emissions laws here in California wont permit the CDI engine yet it's more efficient than the M-class and G- class.
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:11 pm

Yes but those emissions laws is what will keep this earth healthy for our posterity.....
 
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:37 pm

AAplatnumflier:
Re-read post #14 and think about it.  Smile
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UTA_flyinghigh
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:57 pm

As much as I like MBZ sedans, I would never consider purchasing such a Rhaa of vehicle. 80% if not more of these cars will never see off-road conditions and will pollute city centers with their higher emissions. What's the use of shift-on-the fly
4WD, higher ground clearance, etc..., if you don't use them ?

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racko
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:13 am

"This car-based unibody vehicle has no off road capabilities."

It shares the same plattform with the next-generation Mercedes G-Class. I'd hardly call that car-based, or would you deny that the current G-Class is one of the best off-road vehicles one can buy (not counting off-road only vehicles that aren't suited for the street)?
 
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:52 am

M isn't getting much support in this thread. poor thing.

shame, because I think it's fantastic. quite a physical improvement from the last model and a more sleek, aggressive stance.

So what if it looks like a Sorento. If a Sorento and the new M pulls up next to you, I'm sure you'd be able to tell the distinct different.
a benz is a benz.

I'm buying a C-Class sport now, and plan on upgrading to this M-Class in 3 years.
Unlike a lot of people, I am very happy with the direction Mercedes' design is going............as compared to BMW.

best of luck to the M.
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Arniepie
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:10 am

Inbound,

Don't get me wrong, I also like the mercedes design lately, they make some beautiful cars (not all of them).
I only have some doubts about how they are handling quality and after sale services.
They start to look like some Italian (for all you Italians don't feel offended because I still have 2 Ducati's and absolutely adore these machines) car manufacturer, a car with a soul (how it looks,how it handles) but badly put together and that most certainly is a shame because a lot off these top end cars are being used in every day working life and they do have to be reliable in these circumstances.
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:46 am

I tend to agree with Superfly about the "utility" of these vehicles.

The new M class is a dead ringer for the Chevrolet Equinox, at probably half the price.
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Superfly
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:38 am

Stretch 8:
"dead ringer"

That's the name of my friend's band!  Laugh out loud  Big thumbs up

This looks a lot like a Chevrolet Equinox too.


Racko:
OK so it's based off a more substantial frame but it will never be used as a utility vehicle. This will be driven by high maintenance trophy wives in the suburbs. This vehicle is nothing to get excited about.
It's a shame that the company that's given us the amazing 6.9, Pullman limousine and 560SL is churning out this sort of crap now.  Sad
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:42 am

Wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

Mercedes build quality has gone to hell. Our local police force started replacing their Range Rovers with Merc M class vehicles, and rues the day they ever thought of it. The RR is now back on their shopping list and the Mercs are to be dumped as fast as money permits.

Plus it's yet another boring jellymould.
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canuckpaxguy
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:10 am

Me likey likey.
I'm not really an SUV kind of guy, but that's a pretty sweet lookin' SUV.

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KateAA
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:18 pm

Looks great. My Mum had one a while ago, the AMG...

Wonder if they will do the AMG on this one? Will it be built in the US like the current M Class? Hey, maybe if its built in Germany the build will be better!?

Kate.
 
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:56 pm

Speaking of diesel engines, you will see them 50-state legal for cars once the US completely switches to low-sulfur motor fuels by September 2006. This will allow the use of common-rail pressurized direct fuel injection and more advanced catalytic converters that not only reduce emissions but also burns off diesel particulates, which will allow diesel-powered vehicles to meet at least the strict Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle (ULEV) standard.
 
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:06 pm

RayChuang:
Hey Ray, great to see you in the car threads. Hows life treating you in the South Bay?

About this new low-sulfur diesel; will they have to succum to smog checks?
Will old generation diesel cars be subjected to such arcaine laws too?
The only imported (non-U.S.) car I've ever owned was an early 1980s VW Dasher station wagon diesel and Rabbit. The diesel Rabbit got 50 miles per gallon and was exempt from smog test.

That car could run a mile cheaper than I could (that's what the advertisment said.  Smile )
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:56 pm

Franckly, those high tier SUV look like an oxymoron to me. Are they designed as luxury vehicles (clean and shiny) or offroad vehicles (on the mud again... again ).

If you ask me, this is not compatible. If I want to drive offroad, I really wouldn't want to worry about the 2,000 side mirror I might break over the next tree.

Cheers,

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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:56 pm

About this new low-sulfur diesel; will they have to succum to smog checks?

Low-sulfur diesel does not get rid of particulates. Wait until these cars become old  Sad

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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:08 pm

Bio-diesel all the way!  Smokin cool

I've seen more than a dozen Bio-diesels here in San Francisco. I've seen old Mercedes 300TD, VW Dashers, and even a 1979 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Bio-diesel convert.

The idea of going to McDonald's or Kentucky Fried Chicken for used cooking oit to power your car is awesome!  Big thumbs up


Exhaust that smells like a Chicken McNugget!  Big thumbs up
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707CMF
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:12 pm

Diesel is getting less and less interesting for me.

As I am going to live in the city, I am really looking into a cheep petrol car. Diesel is really not efficient on urban cycle.

Cheers,

707
 
racko
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RE: New Mercedes M-Class

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:51 pm

The M-Class will be made in the enlarged Tuscaloosa factory in Alabama. (They upgradged it from 80k units/year to 160)

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