flyboy1980
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NZ Civil Union Bill

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:39 pm

The Civil Union Bill, allowing both same sex couples and straight couples who do not wish to "marry" to legally register their relationship and instead have Civil Union ceremonies, has just passed into law.

Gay men and women and their relationships are now seen as equal to heterosexual men and women and their relationships.

A great day in the history of my nation - equal rights for all citizens!!

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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:45 pm

I am a baptised christian but I have to agree with flyboy. Good equality for all people. Also Ahmed Zoui made it out on bail after 700+ days of imprisonment without trial. A good day in NZ.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:03 pm

Congratulation to New Zealand - again leaping forward ahead of her western neighbour in the field of human rights.

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flyboy1980
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:27 pm

Well, we haven't legislated against same sex marriage.

But some Australian states have had Civil Registries for same sex couples for a few years. A point was made that if Tasmania can handle same sex Civil Registries than surely we can handle it in New Zealand?

Also, all bars and pubs must be smokefree inside from midnight tonight...only 34 minutes to go!!
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:56 am

Well, is anyone really surprised with this bill in NZ passing? After all, they do have a lesbian as prime minister  Smile

Isn't it funny that Tasmania used to have some of the world's most restrictive laws dealing with queers, but now is one of the most liberal in this regard (not saying that they are perfect yet).

If only we didn't have a right-wing christian in office (thanks to the moronic Australian electorate), we too could be following in NZ's footsteps.

[Edited 2004-12-09 16:58:33]
 
flyboy1980
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:33 am

Russophile - good point on Howard. I guess though that the alternative just wasn't that convincing.

As for Helen Clark, there's no proof she's a lesbian. She's been married for 20 or so years. Even if she was, she's been a fantastic PM and the public love her. She advocates equal rights for all New Zealanders.

One of the MPs here opposed to the bill has been on a 21 day fast to get God to stop the bill - one of the gay MPs pointed out that he couldn't recall any other minister fasting to draw attention to child poverty or abuse.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:57 am

I wonder what Brian Tamaki and his Destiny Church will do now. I hope there isn't a repeat of that march they had in Wellington a couple of months ago. I think they let themselves down somewhat with the whole feel of that protest. It's maybe a bit strong but all they needed to do was shave their heads and don a few swastikas and the flavour would still have been the same.
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:51 am

ZKJIM-Welcome to A.NET.
I think that the protest was overboard a few months ago. It was nor a protest but more of an army of people taking over and threatening. I heard that the MP (Georgina Something) had stiff chucked at her etc... While having stuff chucked at you is not a major thing, it is not the best image which a christian groupl want to give to others. It was an image of hatred rather than protest IMO
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:30 am

There are some pretty nasty letters in The Press today.

There will always be fundamentalists who will never have open minds. For their whole lives they will continue to believe that not all humans are equal and some humans deserve punishment for simply being who they are. In our enlightened times, this idea is becoming more and more repugnant.

Apparently, me having access to a Civil Union will break up countless families nationwide. Exactly how this is going to occur (it hasn't happened in any other Western nation that has Civil Unions, the Danish have had them since 1989!) has never been explained by Destiny, Maxim etc etc. Groups such as theirs prefer to make a lot of noise, spout out-dated homophobic rhetoric and promote discrimination instead of tackling issues that really matter. If Destiny and Maxim are so into promoting the family, where are their ideas on how to do this? What policy ideas have they come up with? It's easier to shout out hate instead of putting in the effort to make NZ a better place. That's what makes me most angry about Destiny etc.

All this noise about Labour being out of step with public opinion on this has absolutely no bearing on the matter. Had the people of the Southern US states in the 1960s been asked to vote on whether black citizens should be allowed equal access to public facilities, the majority would have voted no. Just because the majority thinks something doesn't make it right!

Luckily commonsense prevailed.

 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:04 am

Brian Tamaki is TV Evangelism gone wrong. He doesn't lead a church, he runs a business from sucking in the weak & taking 10% of their salaries per year. He's a hypocrite of the highest order. He's the one person I hate in the world more than GWB.
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:20 am

Aerorobnz - It's sad that 7000 people have been sucked in. They're often low to middle income earners too, the least able to afford the tithe they're practically forced to pay.

Luckily most NZers see through his dark lense Gucci sunglasses and can tell he's just in it for the money.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:19 pm

In the NZ Herald, there is a front page article saying that Dick Hubbard (AKL mayor) and Ralph Norris (head of NZ) wrote letters to the government saying that it was a mistake and that they are opposed to it.
Mr Hubbard said it was a risk to other people and families, blah blah blah.....

I will try and find the link.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:45 am

I know that 10 years down the track, New Zealand will still be the same....and once again the bigots will try and find some other minority group to pick on.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:28 am

exactly flyboy, NZ hasn't changed any at all, we're all still the same as we were last week - just have new laws that protect everyone, ie:democracy. at its core, not majority rules.
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:47 pm

Anyone heard that Mr Tamaki rekons he will become an MP and that the Destiny church will become government in a few years time. Is it just me or does this sound like a load of Bull. Sounds like a very naive and over optimistic man if he thinks that. 7000 people out of the NZ populations is bugger all.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:50 pm

and that the Destiny church will become government in a few years time

He's probably counting on Divine Intervention!
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:56 pm

Even if it did happen, I'd vote for another party.
 
flyboy1980
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:11 am

Well MP Paul Adam's fast to get God to stop the Civil Union Bill didn't work...so either there is no God, or a God who doesn't care about Civil Unions.

Why are there no MP's fasting to stop child abuse, to stop erosion of our high country, to protect Hector's dolphins? etc etc

Plain and simple - homophobia disguised as "protecting the family". I come from a family - my Mum, Dad and my brother. I will always be a part of that family whether I am gay or not.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:54 am

Cool down guys. Since when opposing a piece of legislation equals to intolerance, bigotry and so on. NZ is a free country, or so I was told, in which every voice should be respectfully listened. One of you called them nazis, gimme a break! I respect your fight for equality, but your rhetoric scares the heck out of me because I'm starting to hear the same arguments from some radicals in my own country.

Greetings to all.
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:01 pm

Interesting how Labour promotes this as "equal rights" and everyone just roles over and believes them.

I don't recall anything in the legislation saying giving homosexuals the right to marry, as those in heterosexual relationships do. How can this possibly be "equal"?

But everyone gets duped by Clark, who feeds specific sectors of the electorate little morsels when they should be demanding the entire feast. It's an old political trick and works just about every time. she will now be celebrated as an oh-so caring PM, worthy of votes. University students have been fooled as well. But it ultimately works against these groups because if Labour knows they can take the gay/lesbian community and student's votes for granted, it will never deliver any substantial benefits.

And I know plenty of people that do NOT adore Helen Clark. They're not interested in Don, but they certainly don't like her Highness either.

Well said SFOMEX.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:08 pm

Aerokiwi - So you have nothing against the legislation, but you are against Clark's style of leadership?

Is this correct?

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aerokiwi
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:15 pm

The only thing I have against the legislation is that it doesn't grant full marriage rights to ALL adults, regardless of sexual orientation.

I just don't get why people are satisfied with second (or third, or fourth etc) best ALL the time. In other parts of the world people would be out on the streets fighting for their rights. Here we are consumed by apathy, and Clark knows that. Just goes to show that NZ is developing through bureaucratic committees, rather than the force of the people. How very dull for future generations.

The only people that do storm the streets are extremists, which helps her (Clark) to claim the middle ground.

All very manipulative but I suppose that's politics. So my answer would be yes, I do NOT like CLark or her style of leadership. Perhaps we get the leadership we deserve, I dunno. But I have seriously been doubting the collective intelligence of the New Zealand public more and more lately.
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:59 pm

IMO Helen Clarke is more talk than action. She tries to please to many people and everyone knows that you just cannot do that. We have seen her shift her views or alter them on a few occasions in the past few years. I think that she is just trying to gain a spot in the UN.

An example, the government said that they will help to fund all aviation related courses from 2003, they have enforced a quota in the country of the number of people that are allowed to study flying for career prospect oppportunities. 1 and a half years have gone since I signed the 'acknowlegment form' and nothing has come of it. The quota has been in place, but still no subsidy. I know that this is not a big issue for many, but it to me shows how long it takes for this government to get things completed for 'low priority issues'
 
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:48 pm

I don't recall anything in the legislation saying giving homosexuals the right to marry, as those in heterosexual relationships do. How can this possibly be "equal"?


Forgive the basic question, as I haven't been following this very closely...

...but what allowances/allotments/privileges do "married" couples now maintain that civil union couples cannot attain, other than the title of marriage?
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RE: NZ Civil Union Bill

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:25 am

That is it, the title of marriage. It's still kept separate because it still isn't on an equal footing. That and the ability to adopt children - probably the most important issue that received little or no attention during the whole debate. I also heard (though am not sure if this is true) that to be "civilly united" you have to have been together for a certain amount of time. Though I don't see how this is enforceable.

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