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Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:18 am

Mark Webber, all mouth, no results.
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:20 am

Ivan Capelli....
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:26 am

Cristiano Da Matta gets my vote....
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:30 am

Bernie Ecclestone.

Oh, wait! He doesn't ever actually get into a race car.

Okay then, I think they are all pretty good but JPM has sure not lived up to his press.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:58 am

JPM gets my vote for most overrated

Back when he raced in CART he was just Juan Montoya.. Where the hell did this Pablo crap come from?
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:20 am

Gotta be JPM and Mark Webber.
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:21 am

JPM, no doubt.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:25 am

JPM, been 6,3,3,5 in the championship can hardly be called "overrated".
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:27 am

Fernando Alonso....Without the driver aids he would be useless. Go FISICHELLA!
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:34 am

It is Ralph Shummacher no doubt about it.

Where the hell did this Pablo crap come from?

That is his second name, you see, here it is usual to use the whole name of a person, for example my name is Juan Jose, for us he's always been Juan Pablo Montoya. I hope next year he can close your mouths with an outstanding performance, we'll see.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:36 am

Jenson Button !!

While he is good, he is over rated. Got to say though, most overrated is Mark Webber.

JPM overrated? Yes, a little, KR will blow him away next season!  Smile

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:24 am

I'd agree with BA757 on Button, espcially after Autosport named him driver of the year over Schumacher. Granted Button is an excellent driver, but he does bleed and he can't walk on water! I'd say both of the 2004 Williams drivers were a bit overrated, espcially when JPM seemed to imply he didn't need to test much in the winter of 2003! DC is DC, so yeah. Jacques won't be doing much for Sauber. Trulli I think was underrated this past yr. But I think most drivers on the grid, no matter who they are, are overrated until someone can challenge Ferrari!
 
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:27 pm

Montoya and Raikkonen hands down.
 
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:46 pm

Definitely Juan Pablo Montoya and Mark Webber.

The former is the most disgusting representation of this country; inside his car he sucks, and outside of it he is just an arrogant spoiled bastard. What a shame.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:54 pm

How come nobody mentioned DC ?
Fool had some of the best cars available in F1 yet he didn't do anything worthwhile with them.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:18 pm

Montoya and Raikkonen hands down.

Raikkonen! Raikkonen - I think not!

Spa 02 anyone? Did Raikkonen look underrated when he blasted through all the smoke at Eau Rouge in qualifying...no, it was ballesy and brave, shows the true racer he is.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:36 pm

I almost forgot : Alessandro Zanardi.
CART champ but a disaster in F1.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:37 pm

What about Jean Alesi ? Muret-Gravier, wasn't it ?

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:20 pm

What about Jean Alesi ? Muret-Gravier, wasn't it ?

You can't say he's overrated as if was always considered a prick.

Jacques Villeneuve however is way overrated in my opinion.
 
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:47 pm


Coulthard gets my vote, he's done next to nothing in terms of 'winning' anything.

He'll be lucky to get a test drive for a mediocre team next year.
 
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:18 am

The former is the most disgusting representation of this country; inside his car he sucks, and outside of it he is just an arrogant spoiled bastard. What a shame.

You are the bastard here little man, JPM sucked this year because he had no car to drive, when he finally had he won the race in Brazil. As for his attitude outside the cars why do you care about it? he is damn good, he knows it and his behavior show it.

Perhaps what some people do not like about him is that he also knows that he doesn't owe anything to anybody but his father, no one looked after him when he began, only when he won in Europe, the Car series and the Indy 500 those lagartos started to appear, but he knows that he made it by himself and did not give credit to all that people.

Finally, if he were the most disgunting representation of this country why would million of Colombians wake up every sunday morning to see him race? More disturbing is to lose a medal in the olympic games because you are doped.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:36 am

I`d go with Coulthard as well. He just never seems to get it together when he needs to.

I must admit Button has impressed me this year. Seems to have matured a bit and takes it a little more seriously rather than just living an Eddie-Irvine-style party existance.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:18 am

Would it be considered overrated to be a driver for the richest, highest-funded team in F1 history for countless years running?

Just asking.

I love Schumacher, but the playing field is hardly level in F1.
 
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:19 am

JuanR I have to disagree with you on some of this. I think your compatriot SOUTHAMERICA was a little harsh in his description. Probably most F1 drivers are arrogant. I'd be if I was that good!

But the thread was about "overrated" and to me that means much promised and little delivered. Juan Pablo did very well here in the US and impressed most of us. Perhaps the press did him a disservice in over-hyping his move to F1. He was supposed to unseat Michael and so on. Well, for the time being, Michael and Ferrari are all but unbeatable. I'd hate to be a first-rate driver like Juan Pablo or Mika Hakkinen or some others who might have been champions if only Michael did not exist.

But JPM has finished behind people he should have beat in cars he should have beat. I don't know what the reason is but he just does not shine in F1 like he did in CART. Lots of promise + not much podium = overrated.

I disagree with the idea that he does not owe anyone anything. He owes podium finishes to his employer. In turn they owe him the best car they can deliver. We have a saying in the US: "It is a poor workman who blames his tools." Michael has won races in Ferraris that were outclassed by McLaren or Williams or on tires that were not the best. He did it on talent.

Last; those millions of Colombians are lucky to get to see a local driver race when they get up early on Sunday to watch an F1 race. But they get up early for pretty much the same reason I do - it is the race. Wish I had a US driver to cheer on.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:20 am

SlamClick,


You put it just right. And believe me, this stupid hype about him was everywhere here in Colombia [fortunately everybody is now really seeing that he is not half of what the biased media says] as if there weren't many things here in Colombia already (natural resources, great writers, good artists, gorgeous ladscapes) to be proud of.

JPM is just down to the typical "hero of the kids" here [poor things] as he has everyone fed up with his cocky arrogance.


Again, you put it just right, and fully agree with you.



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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:26 am

Webber because;

In his first race he finished 5th in a Minardi, he has yet to improve on this.

In the Jaguar he has occasionally qualified well, but only because he ran really light on fuel. Qualifying with race fuel on board is the most retarded rule ever.

Sometimes he looks fast compared to his teammates. In his first year at Minardi his teammate, the token Malaysian driver Alex Yoong, did not belong in F1. In his first year at Jaguar his teammate was Pizzonia. Pizzonia was signed by Niki Lauda, after Lauda was fired before the first race he saw little support from Jaguar. Last year his teammate, Christian Klein, was a 21 year old rookie. Webber has never had a threatening teammate.

Next year I hope the Williams seat goes to Nick Heidfeld who was shafted by McLaren and had to waste his time at Sauber and Jordan, he deserves a decent car. But it would also be nice to see Webber get outqualified and outraced by Pizzonia, that would shut him up.
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:05 am

Most promised and least delivered of any F1 driver in history.

That's and easy one.

Michael Andretti.

Big crybaby, didn't perform, didn't commit to the series (lived in the US and commuted to the races).

Why can't the USA produce a good driver.... competitive to world standards.

There's more to being a good RACE CAR driver than....
1)Drive Hard
2)Drive Fast
3)Turn Left.

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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:53 am

Why can't the USA produce a good driver.... competitive to world standards.

There's more to being a good RACE CAR driver than....
1)Drive Hard
2)Drive Fast
3)Turn Left.


You're onto something here...and it's largely a cultural issue. F1, for most Americans, is an acquired taste.

Think of the fundamental differences:

1) F1 has massive, massive budgets for their teams, and the amount of investment, R&D, race support, etc all directly correlate to winning. NASCAR, which I personally don't care for, has an excruciatingly consistent product insofar as the cars themselves, and they want the racing on the course, dictated by the drivers, not the $$ behind the Ferrari team which wins the Manufacturer's Cup religiously.

2) Oval racing is as old as driving itself: the heritage here cannot be undersold, especially when you talk about Indianapolis and the Brickyard. Racing in Europe evolved naturally more as road races, not track races. Hence, the dichotomy.

3) While I bemoan the CART/IRL split, it did exactly what it served to do: bring more foreign and younger drivers into prominence. Some people decry that Indy is a bunch of no names and rookies, but the quality of driving is outstanding. I loved watching the British Invasion this season.... There is no *effective* equivalent development circuit/method for an American driver to get into F1.

4) It is what it is: standing start VS rolling, the ability to pass on ovals VS less so in F1. Plus, the ability to only see a fraction of the course, poor sightlines in F1, whereas in American auto racing, you can usually see the entire track. Don't underestimate that one.

I would like to see an American driver become a consistent driver in F1, but it would take a very special person to do that given the above issues.
 
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:37 am

Ivan Capelli......

Go Shummacher and Ferrari
 
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RE: Most Overrated Driver In F1

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:57 pm

Slamslick, perhaps you are right in some of your statements in your post, anyway, for me and for most Colombians he is not over-rated because we knew that he wouldn't win a championship in F1 in the short term.

On what you are not right is your final statement; there you said : "those millions of Colombians are lucky to get to see a local driver race when they get up early on Sunday to watch an F1 race. But they get up early for pretty much the same reason I do - it is the race."

For most Colombians F1 was as far as Jupiter, we didn't care about it until our driver got there, and when he'll leave things will go back to that, F1 only sells here if our local driver is in; it is a fact that most of us change the channel or go back to sleep when he is out of the race.

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