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Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:56 pm

...don't think this topic has yet been raised:
Question's pretty self-explanatory.


I'm sure most of you are familiar with the concept (particularly if you're of any relevance to this thread  Laugh out loud), but for those who aren't-- a tithe is a compulsory donation, usually 10% of earnings* to a religious or private organization to which you belong. The general concept is that whatever donated will return to you multiple fold.

Mostly conducted among orthodox/literalist Christian societies in the Western world, but practiced many ways in other circles as well.


...anyone?


*typically financial, but could be represented otherwise
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:09 pm

"The general concept is that whatever donated will return to you multiple fold."
lol...A tithe is just another form of pyramid scheme. It sucks in the gullable and stupid trying to buy their way into heaven.

BTW. I don't pay a tithe. Though I might just consider starting a church as part of a get rich quick scheme to part fools from their money.
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:31 pm

Yes, I pay a tithe. There is a biblical reference to the 10% somewhere, but I cannot remember where the exact passage is. My wife simply have faith that the tithe will be used where it is needed the most. Tithes are certainly necessary in order to keep the church running. Often, that money is used to help the less fortunate in times of need.
 
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:51 pm

Aerorobnz,

It's best you remain quiet when you’re ignorant of the facts. To take a pop-shot at Tithing when you have no concept of what it's about or it’s intent is very inappropriate and thoughtless.

One must differentiate between “giving” and “tithing”, and, differentiate between televangelists and the church. Since Christians no longer live under Mosaic Law, Tithing is no longer instituted or commanded by God. This does not stop some groups from instituting the command to Tithe, Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons).

God commands Christians on giving in Corinthians. The Christian is to determine in his own heart how much he gives and where he allocates his resources among his brothers and sisters in Christ (2 Cor. 9:7).

The origins of tithing can be traced thousands before the written word. “Pooling” crops in a cooperative effort insured survival. Farmers would take 1/10th of their sowed crop and give it to the collective population. The population would save these crops for winter or times of hunger or need. Famine, petulance and lack of rain had far more reaching effects then today.

So tithing is nothing new and Christianity can’t claim the idea as it’s own. I must say the Mormon church is a great example of the practice and the benefits can not be argued. The Mormons IMO are the shining example of modern tithing that actually pays back its members. Search more on Mormons and Tithing if you like.

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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:56 pm

I got poking around and it seems people have web sites on the subject. http://www.nomoretithing.org/ot_and_before.htm

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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:10 pm

Techrep,
I was baptised and raised Roman Catholic, before converting to the Anglican faith in my mid to late teens having got sick of the Catholic hypocrisy. I have since taken a more Atheistic point of view on the world in the last year. I have definitely got a concept of what a tithe is as (although not the 10% that the bible abstractly refers to) my parents and my sister contribute both considerable time & money to their respective churches. The fact remains that little of a true tithe ever makes it to where it should be going, and many leaders of their churches become wealthy off people using the literal bible interpretation in modern society.
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:39 pm

Just gave this some thought...

it's not something we see here, but I'd say it was a truly noble thing to do with certain provisos.

If the money is going to the upkeep of a church which does REAL work in the community, and for the genuine upkeep of the church itself, then it would be great.

If it's going to support the twenty thousand dollar a week lifestyle of some fatass fundie preacher (of which there are far too many...we get the God channels here too) then forget it.

So if I wa going to do such a thing I'd be VERY careful where my money went and would also want to see it go into a smaller local organisation rather than one of the commercial Godhouse abominations fronted by some smooth-talking jerk with a fake Southern US accent and ten thousand dollar white suit.
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:10 am

I tithe to the church I attend. I know my preacher, my fellow church members, and the community causes my church supports. I have no qualms giving 10% there.

I have found the giving to be nothing but a blessing.
 
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:13 am

Tithing is a nice scam in the LDS Church. I have a friend who is mormon. He was marrying a mormon girl. So they go and talk to their Bishop about their plan to have a mormon wedding. He tells them they are behind in their tithing and must pay the $800.00 they are behind in order to get married in their own church.

Haha... what a scam.


I could go on and on.....

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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:30 am

I just give what I can comfortably give. I don't really live extravegantly anyway....
 
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:21 am

First, my short answer: Yes, I do tithe... to my home church.

To add to someone else's earlier comment: most Biblical references to tithing are found in the Old Testament books Leviticus and Malachi. If I had a little more time, I could go through and jot down the various Scripture verses.

In most 'normal' (as opposed to the 'flashy' churches with the televangelists) evangelical churches, it is usually taught that one tithes to their home congregation first and foremost before any extra offerings or donations both internally and externally. An internal offering is an additional donation given to one's home church beyond their tithe; examples of this could range from a church building fund to supporting a missionary (or missionaries) with ties/connections to the local church. An external offering is a donation to a ministry or organization that is independent of the local church; examples of this are Campus Crusade for Christ, Prison Fellowship, Focus on the Family, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, etc.

Tithing to an external organization en lieu of one's home place of worship is usually discouraged. As a matter of fact, most respectable outside ministries make it a point to say that people should not donate to their organization if it means that they will not be able to tithe to their home congregation.

There is now an agency (the Evangelical Council of Financial Accountability or E.C.F.A.) that many ministry organizations can apply to in order to receive a level of certification to ensure the public that donations will be used in an honest manner. In order to receive such certification, there are certain minimum standards that the ministry organizations had to achieve and maintain. More info. can be found on the below web-link.

http://www.ecfa.org/ContentEngine.aspx?Page=Main

Worth noting: one known 'flashy' televangelist in recent years applied for such certification but was rejected because it failed to meet the ECFA's standards. So the system does somewhat work.
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:52 am

My wife and I volunteer a good deal at our church, so I consider that a part of the 10% thing.
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:57 am

What about you ConcordeBoy? Do you pay up? I love people who will start a thread asking a question like this, but never answer it themselves.
 
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RE: Any Of You Pay A Tithe?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:37 am

TechRep hit the nail on the head. Tithing was an Old Testament church requirement under Mosaic law.

Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection did away with the Mosaic law, and the New Testament Christian church was begun. 2 Corinthians 8 is the primary chapter in the New Testament on giving back to the church. The main thought here is to give sacrificially from a willing heart, not under compulsion by a church leader or direction from an obselete law.

My wife and I give to our church because we want to, not because we have to, and we do not base it upon a 'tithe'.

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