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Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:55 pm

Has anybody ever filled out one of those on-line job applications at some companies website.

About the only job hunting I have been able to do is two of those, one for Fedex and one for Raytheon. Both here in Anchorage.

Anybody actually get a job through one of them? Is there an average lead time?

Or did I waste an hour filling it out during finals week?
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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:58 pm

My parents hired someone through Monster they said it worked really well
 
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:00 pm

I got my most recent hire through an online service. I was impressed with candidates that I interviewed. I will do it again.
 
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:03 pm

I got my job at the hospital through their online resume submission process. The HR ended up forwarding my resume to an open position which I had not even known about. So yes, they work.
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:10 pm

I got my latest job through CareerBuilder.com. Best job I've had yet.

Keep in mind, most HR experts say that you should spend no more than 10% of your job seeking time/resources on the internet.
 
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:34 pm

I've always found the online applications etc. to be a waste of time. I have not once ever had a company call me when I have applied online.
 
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:48 pm


I've only had a few responses from online applications.. the most recent application I filled out was for Comerica Bank and I actually was able to schedule an interview online also.
 
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:55 pm

Other side of the coin....


...online applications are going to become more important as time goes by, as it also helps to show a degree of basic computer literacy.

The problem here isn't the application itself, it's the LACK of skills at the other end. Is the person who is sat at the company side of the process engaged enough to properly process it?

So I'd say online applications are useful and worth the effort on balance, but there's some way to go before they are as bulletproof as doing it by phone or face-to-face. It's also much easy to can an applicant when you aren't speaking to them.

They are certainly as useful as making a hand-written application.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:09 am

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:38 am

I work in HRMS (Human Resource Management Systems) for a large global company and we rely on online applications to fill quite a number of our vacancies, particularly for our graduate intake programme. It seems to work very well.

I do understand however that it is our company policy to not contact applicants if they are considered unsuitable for the position they have applied for - a bit unfair if you ask me, but I didn't make that rule. Based on that, if you don't hear back within a reasonable amount of time, you didn't pass the initial selection phase.

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:33 am

I work for a company that was recently voted the best employer in British Columbia for 2004. We do all of our hiring for all levels of our company through our online application at our company website. It works out very well for us, and we have a staff of stellar people.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:26 am

Well that isn't surprising, Especially when you consider the number of applicants that your company or any that does this gets BAviscout.

Sounds like a good deal for the employeers, getting a larger pool to choose from, not so good for the applicant, being a smaller fish in that larger pool.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:43 am

What's the matter, Shawn? You've already got a job...
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:14 am

You didn't hear Tom?

I got laid off last week.


Dear L-188

Due to the down turn of Business XXXXXXX finds itself in the position of reducing personnel. As of December 7, 2004 your position will be terminated.

We regret the necessity of this action and it is not a reflection of your ablities or performance.

Sincerely

Scott A.


And thus 5.5 years of senority is shot

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:27 am

Oh shit, I hadn't seen that.

I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, just before Christmas.

Here's hoping you at least have good holidays and something turns up quickly. You don't sound like the sort who would sit on their arse and just wail about it, so best wishes in your efforts.

Five and a half years is experience after all, something you have to offer a new employer.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:35 am

Appreciate that Whitehatter.

Truth be told it wasn't a bad time to lose the job.

This is the second year in a row where the company has let people go at this time of the year. I am actually a bit surprised it took this long. But it did give me a chance to clean up some bills, zero credit cards and put away a small nest egg to live on. And it clears up my Thursday night so that can take a class I need for my degree. Which will mean after then end of the spring term, I will only be 1 class short of my BBA.


In the end, for theis buisness major, it was pretty anti-climatic when the axe fell and I was sacked.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:36 am

Out of the 100+ jobs I applied for online over the last 3+ years garnered me a grand total of 3 interviews. The thing is that they get tons of applicants this way, so they end up cherry picking which people they want to interview. My current job I applied through an ad in the paper. I faxed my resume to them on a Monday, got called on that Wednesday, interviewed on that Thursday, started that Monday (My official hire date was that Monday, although I spent part of Thursday and Friday going through the hoops [DOT physical, drug screen, going out to the airport to get fingerprinted for the FBI background check, and to take the classes to obtain my SIDA badge and be allowed to drive on the airport property.]).
 
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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:13 am

Having gone through this process a year ago I can fully understand how much of a PITA it can to go through the job application process. I see no real difference between the on-line vs a paper application. Any position that is advertised in a major newspaper or online is going to receive a ton of applicants. At least with an on-line application you save yourself a trip out into the cold, postage, and/or paper.
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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:36 am

Dang, Shawn...has it gotten that bad? They should have begged me to stay. Nice to see that Anderhole is still there...some things will never change.

Best of luck to you.
 
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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:04 pm

Yeah, Scott is one of the biggest arguements against the FAA required DO position that I have ever seen.

Apparently according to Jerry I was one of about 8 to get the axe, including him. Considering how empty his office was when I went in to pick up my last check, I tend to belive him. As you know there is about 30 people there before the layoffs.

I think you missed out on Fed-ex pulling the ADQ contract in July/August. Only reason why we got it back after two weeks was that Bellair lost their Metro to their lessors. And since I was taking a summer cost accounting class, I spent those two weeks sitting back doing the math and it wasn't working out. Then about two months ago everybody started getting really nervous because Lionel left to pursue other opportunities.

It is too bad that they aren't going to take advantage of that degree I am getting, but I am not going to worry about it too much either.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:26 pm

One should be careful about on-line job applications or posting of their resume. Sometimes, you could be contacted by a phony company, fishing (phising?) for social security numbers, other personal information to steal your identity. Please verify as best as possible any responses to your application, and do not post information (sometimes phone numbers, address) that can be used by an identity theif.
 
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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:29 pm

Exactly, that is why the only companies I have done it with so far are Fedex and Raytheon.

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:40 pm

L-188

As I've said, very best wishes. We might disagree on some politics but I admire your fresh and uncluttered attitude to going forward. Hopefully your next paycheck will come from people who appreciate that.

Ltbewr

You have to do the due diligence thing. I wouldn't give my credit card, NI number or indeed any personally identifiable information to someone who was not traceable. Personally I am relaxed about giving my CC to people like Amazon or EBay/PayPal/NoChex, but the only time I have been ripped off was at a petrol station who cloned my Mastercard and I could prove it was them.

If it's some unkonown outfit and they want to have too many details then I'd be suspicious. SS numbers or instance. Do they need them unless you are being offered a job....?
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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:51 pm

L-188,

I received my current position at Boeing thru online application. Most recent graduates here did the same thing.

I've also received responses from GE Aircraft Engines, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman thru online applications. Mind you that it does sometimes take a very loooooong time for them to respond.

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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:08 pm

Sometimes our Social Security numbers in the USA are used to check up on an applicant, including checking up on their credit report/record (to see if have a run up of credit cards, and bad debts), to do police records reviews, security checks, verify idenity (including citizenship), do drivers license checks (especially for Commercial Licences, to drive trucks, busses) and to keep straight who is who when have people with similar names. It isn't uncommon for it to be asked for a SS number in an application for the above reasons, and in applications it will be noted the reasons for needing it as well as commitments to maintain security of the number. If you are given a job, then the company will need your SS number to process income based taxes, medical insurance and other benefits. That is why I gave the warning I posted in my earlier post.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:18 pm

Sounds like I got out just in time...while we are on the subject, what do you hear about the going ons over at Era? I know they were sold and that the new owners aren't committed to keeping the fixed wing division operational. Anything changed over there? I also heard that NAC might be doing some hiring. You know how it is though, if you aren't willing to move to the Bush, I doesn't seem like there is a lot of opportunity left in Alaska. Are you looking at anything Outside?

 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:25 pm

Well finishing the degree is the priority.

Which is why I am not in a position to leave Anchorage yet, with 5 classes left, I should have my BBA degree this time next year. Then some options open up. It also is why I am not trying to get a warehousing job at Ft. Greely working the NMD site. Ditto for trying for some of Evergreen's jobs they list on their website.

NAC just opened up a warehousing job on Friday, so tommorrow I need to go an apply for it. There are a couple others moving around.

I actually have some wiggle room in searching for work. Since last year when they had the first mass layoff after A-med left, I made a point of trying to sock in some extra money and paying down my state student loan just in the case these layoffs happened.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:20 pm

3yrs after filling out an on-line app with fedex I still get emails talking about job openings in all corners of the world.

I applied for one opening 2 years ago and never heard anything ever again. Same story with a few other jobs. I hate the ones where you cannot attach a resume but have to type it into a little box. I guess formatting is a non-issue to them.

I also suppose my resume, being too concise and to the point, lacks a lot of the current BS buzzwords the electronic resume readers look for. I guess you need more bullshit in your resume if you want a response.

If I thought employment was a possibility I would get a job in HR. It is the only line of work I can think of where a single digit IQ is not only allowed, it is required.
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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:30 pm

Yes they do. I was hired by the airline I used to work for based on the on-line app I submitted.

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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:16 am

Well I just got a call from the local FDX HR department, asked me to come it and fill out a paper application.

Should I consider that a good sign?

Unfortunately I didn't get the MSG till 1/2 hour before they closed today so I couldn't do it today.....Spent the day filling an application for one of the locatl ATR/DC-6/727 freight operators.
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:34 am

Hey Tom.

Drop me an E-mail.

Was wondering if you could do me a favor and be a reference for me? In case this job goes beyond the application process.

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:53 am

It seem as if Southwest's online thing doesn't work!  Smile I hate the type of computers that scans for "keywords." Any SWA employees have any advice on some good keywords to put in?



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RE: Do Those On-line Job Applications Actually Work?

Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:03 am

L-188, I don't know if this would coincide with your plans such as college, but Alaska Airlines is hiring ANC-based flight attendants:

https://alaskaair.recruitmax.com/ENG/candidates/

Just scroll down to select Anchorage as your location and it'll pop up:

Requirements

REPORTS TO: Inflight Supervisor

PRINCIPAL DUTIES & RESPONSIBILITIES:
- Responsible for preparing the aircraft for passengers
- Greeting passengers, verifying ticket and seating assignments, and carry on baggage stowage and security
- Explain and demonstrate use of safety equipment and procedures
- Prepare and serve meals and beverages, collect money for certain beverages
- Answers questions regarding flight schedules and points out places of interest.

REQUIRED KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS & ABILITIES:
- Embody the Alaska Spirit and conducts oneself with Integrity, Resourcefulness, Professionalism and Caring
- Uncompromising dedication to safety
- Able to relocate to any of our flight attendant bases: Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle or Anchorage
- At least 21 years of age and able to serve alcohol
- Able to reach 80 vertical inches with flat feet on the ground and without shoes
- Able to swim 90 feet assisted with a life vest
- Possess a high school diploma or equivalent
- At least 2 years of customer or community service experience
- Non-user of all nicotine products for at least the last six months (requirement may vary depending upon location)
- Flexible to work varied schedules, including nights, weekends, and holidays
- US citizen or registered alien with the legal right to accept employment
- Able to attend 5-6 weeks of unpaid training in Seattle if selected
- Able to demonstrate the physical ability to perform the duties of a flight attendant
- Must possess adaptability to perform a variety of duties, dealing with people, and performing effectively under stress

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