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Sat Dec 25, 2004 7:47 am

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/23/australia.quake.ap/index.html

considering i was in a 7.4 which lasted 48 seconds...im not looking for anymore.

Good thing this hit away from population...imagine the Tsunamis if it were closer to land

Anyone have any earthquake fears/experience?
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Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:44 am

Not a huge earthquake, but I saw on the news that there was an 8. somthing yesterday 200 odd miles south of NZ, some people in NZ felt it.
 
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The link provided is the earthquake that ZKSUJ was saying. CNN have provided some incorrect facts.

An extremely powerful earthquake struck the ocean floor between Australia and Antarctica early Friday, causing buildings to shake hundreds of kilometers away on the island of Tasmania The Earthquake was located between Antarctica and New Zealand. The centre of the quake was located about 20 kilometres away from Auckland Island. The quake was closer to New Zealand by a few hundred kilometres. It was felt more in the Lower South Island.
 
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Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:29 am

I live in the SF Bay Area, so naturally earthquakes are a part of life here. I've experiaced a few minor 4.0, 3.0, 2.0, etc,etc,etc, but the one major one so far that I've been alive for was the 1989 loma preata (hope I spelled that right) quake, I believe an 6.9 on the rector scale.... Anyway I was much to young to remember it (according to my parents I sleep through it) but that night it took my Dad hours and hours to get home from work (all the traffic lights were out Bay Bridge damaged nimitz freeway destroyed. Lets just hope we survive the next one!


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Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:37 pm

Well, we live in the Pacific Fire belt, or something like that. So we're supposed to be used to it.
I've never experienced "consciously" a big earthquake, only the 1985 earthquake that hitted central Chile, and I was a little kid and my dad had to hold on to the house so he could keep him and myself safe from falling to the ground.
I hope I never experience something like that, although it could hit us tomorrow...


BTW, the strongest earthquake ever registered in the world was back in 1960 here in Chile (something to be proud of  Yeah sure ). I believe it was 9.0 in the richter scale, with a tsunami included.
 
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Sat Dec 25, 2004 4:26 pm

Early this year Wellington had a 7.2 scale quake. I live about half and hours drive north of the Wellington CBD. I live about 5 kilometres from Porirua harbour. The quake was centered about 10 kilometres West of Mana Island (which is at the entrance to the Porirua Harbour). It was felt as far south as CHC and as far north as Lake Taupo. Hardly any damange happened, considering the size of the quake
 
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An 8.1 quake is a monster earthquake. If I'm not mistaken, the scale works on a scale of 10, so a 6 is ten times stronger than a 5, 7 ten times stronger than a 6... etc. Which makes this 8.1 earthquake rather strong...
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 12:09 am

No, it is an open scale, there is no maximum, but yes it is logarythmic in progression.

Had one in Belgium 15 years ago, a rarity, just enough to unlock a few roof tiles and damage an old chimney.

Athens had a 5.9 in 1999, epicenter in the NW suburbs, some 5 km from my home.
I was sitting in my office, windows open. I heard a rumble and was first thinking about a train running underground.
In the lapse of 1-2 seconds the rumble became a terrifying loud noise and the vibrations began, my display started to shake and as I watched the concrete post supporting the electricity lines at the other side of the narrow street, its top 1.5 meter broke and fell on the walkway, half a second later it was half the balcony of the house just opposite. Dust flew everywhere.
It lasted perhaps 6-7 seconds but it seems a lot longer than that.
My wife panicked, our 2 months old daughter in her arms.

Everyone rushed out of the buildings, and so did we try, but electricity was off and our electric controlled door would not open. I escaped down the 1st floor balcony, grabbed the baby through the garage fenced door and helped my wife climb the same. No major damage done in the neighbourhood, but it was a different story in the area closer to the epicenter. Some 3,000 buildings were destroyed or so badly damaged they had to be teared down, and IIRC 300 people lost their lives.

Same day we had another 10-12 quakes, a couple of them nearly as strong as the first one. (in total nearly 100 in about 4 weeks)
Since we had the only recently (very well) build house, almost all inhabitants of the street spent the next night with us, including some 15 in makeshift beds on our two balconies.

Since then I have (unvoluntarily) developped an extreme sensitivity for ground vibrations, I can feel a truck or a bus passing on the avenue 50 meters away.

And this was only 5.9, imagine what it could be with quakes exceeding 6 and 7 on the scale, like our unfortunate Turkish neighbours.
 
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Iako: when we had the quake in 99, it lasted 48 seconds, which was nuts....but thankfully the first people to help us were the Greeks, right across the sea they came with help and supplies  Smile
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 5:17 am

We had a 6.8 a few years back in Seattle. Good times. Not!!! I'll pass on going through that again, hopefully.
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 2:00 pm

And this one at the Sumatra Island! 8,5 Richter scale.

" A great earthquake occurred at 00:58:50 (UTC) on Sunday, December 26, 2004. The magnitude 8.5 event has been located OFF THE WEST COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA. (This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.)

Small globe showing earthquake

Small map showing earthquake




Magnitude 8.5
Date-Time Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 00:58:50 (UTC)
= Coordinated Universal Time
Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 6:58:50 AM
= local time at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 3.298°N, 95.778°E
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region OFF THE WEST COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
Distances
250 km (155 miles) SSE of Banda Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia
320 km (200 miles) W of Medan, Sumatra, Indonesia
1260 km (780 miles) SSW of BANGKOK, Thailand
1605 km (1000 miles) NW of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 9.2 km (5.7 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters Nst=157, Nph=157, Dmin=>999 km, Rmss=1.35 sec, Gp= 29°,
M-type=surface wave magnitude (Ms), Version=8
Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID usslav
Felt Reports Some buildings collapsed at Banda Aceh. Felt widely in northern Sumatra."




Source: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqinthenews/2004/usslav/
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 2:43 pm

And in other news, an earthquakes in the Andaman sea has caused tidal waves in Phuket and in Sri Lanka, and apparently Maldives is now without communication.

Over 150 dead in Sri Lanka, and at least 4 dead in Phuket.
 
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 3:29 pm

My dad was out at sea off phuket and apparently got hit by a 10m tidal wave. he is ok, now heading back to shore.
 
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:02 pm

Looks like the tidal wave killed a few ppl in India also! Pretty scary, this earthquake and the one three days back around Australia. This also comes on exactly a year after the big one that killed thousands in Iran.
 
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:22 pm

Strange how it is one year to the day after the big quake in Bam which killed over 40,000 people.

Here are some notable quakes from the past few hours for SE Asia region.

Mag. 7.3 2004/12/26 04:21:26 6.901 92.952 10.0 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
Mag. 6.1 2004/12/26 03:08:42 13.808 92.975 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
Mag. 5.9 2004/12/26 02:59:12 3.177 94.259 10.0 OFF THE WEST COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
Mag. 6.0 2004/12/26 02:51:59 12.511 92.593 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
Mag. 5.8 2004/12/26 02:36:06 12.139 93.010 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
Mag. 5.8 2004/12/26 02:34:50 4.104 94.184 10.0 OFF THE WEST COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
Mag. 6.0 2004/12/26 02:22:02 8.860 92.500 10.0 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
Mag. 5.8 2004/12/26 02:15:58 12.375 92.509 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
Mag. 5.9 2004/12/26 01:48:47 5.393 94.423 10.0 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
Mag. 8.5 2004/12/26 00:58:51 3.298 95.778 10.0 OFF THE WEST COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
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Quake now upgraded to 8.9
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:49 pm

i know that earthquakes are not an exact science...but from my knowledge and my experience with the one that killed over 30,000 people right in front of me....i have studied them as a side hobby for the last 5 years and also talked to many experts here in that teach them in unis.....


i know that there are "seasons" of quakes, once a few very large ones go off, then they chain react across the world...so i think that there will be a few volcanos erupting and some more quakes within several days/weeks of similar mags probably in Japan, Iran and then west...

of course these are theories, but from what i've seen and noted, this trend is somehow connected....
The scariest thing i've learned is that, an 8,0 near the surface crust versus 50 km down can have up to 500 times more damage....so if this 8,5 quake was very close to the surface, those waves would have been 5-6 times higher  Sad!!

i was on the phone to my sister before this quake happened, and i said, good thing ur weren't in the maldives to my sister, sat night..... and she said yeah i would have freaked out....we were talking about the 8.1 being so far south that it didnt do anything to any cities...and then i JUST woke up now...and i can't believe my eyes or the e-mails im getting...

did you guys know florida has a fault line running N-S ?
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 5:02 pm

Watching BBC News right now over my internet. This is getting worse by the minute. I'm sure deaths will go into the thousands with this one.
 
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 5:13 pm

my dad texted me, he says phuket airport is closed, networks are busy and they are expecting a second hit within 3 hours.
 
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 5:23 pm

By the way the approx. depth was 10 km (6.2 miles)
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 6:11 pm

There are some frightening images coming from the area, I pray that it has not affected too many people.
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 6:17 pm

On the BBC right now they are speaking with a scientist from the USGS in Golden, Colorado (sp?) who says that they suspect that a 1000 km long rupture has opened in the earth's crust in the ocean from this earthquake.
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:04 pm

ZK-SUJ

are you ignorant? it's the largest earthquake in nearly 50 years and the 5th largest of all time, the death toll now is being reported at over 1000.

the maldives is now being hit by tidal waves, reports from ABC Australia.

[Edited 2004-12-26 12:06:03]
 
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:29 pm

BBC news has just quoted updated figures of 1000 dead in india and over 1000 dead in other parts of thr region.

I send my thoughts to those stuck in this terrible disaster!

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just tried to phone a friend of mine who's teaching in Thailand, communications at the moment are quite hard.
 
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:58 pm

lots of people dead over 450 people in phuket...saw my hotel on CNN with lots of water infront of it...was there exactly this ime last year...we didnt go this year as it was over booked...luckt i guess!!! Going to bali nothing there...now in Singapore water rose half a meter...

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Sun Dec 26, 2004 9:08 pm

Pilotaydin Your right about the Earthquakes setting off a chain reaction, looks like one small tremor started which set off the bigger one and now its just aftershocks for now.
There saying the quake would have caused a rift in the oceanic floor (As the Indian plate is moving away from the Pacific) so I wouldnt be too surprised if this event started a few new undersea volcanoes as I speak.
I know a friend whos in the Maldive Islands right now, havent had word from him yet, and Im not quite sure about the situation there (I think the airports closed as far as im aware), pretty scary to think of a 10 meter tidal wave crossing a ocean, just the power and energy involved is immense, and I hope it helps in creating future Tsunami warning drills in that region and many others in the future.
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Sun Dec 26, 2004 11:02 pm

I´m in a state of chock, my best mate just came back from Phuket where he been fishing from a boat, I took the ferry to Andamans from Chennai (beach in
Chennai been flooded, many dead) this august, at least 100 dead on the Andamans and Nicobars.

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oh dear the toll is now said to be 5000+...... i think it's going to rise even more, it's horrible now that darkness has fallen, recovery and evacuations are slowing dramatically  Sad
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Swedish media claim at least 6000 dead, deaths reported from Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Maldives, Sri Lanka and Thailand. No reports from Myanmar
as far as I know.
Phuket airport is closed for civilian traffic and landing strip on Nicobars has been damaged.

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Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:14 am

While the quake itself cannot be predicted, its occurence is recorded in real time and obviously the propagation of its effects (i.e. tsunami) are monitored
(satellite imagery), seen and felt (ships).

If it is known at the very minute it occurs (00:58Z), why is it that carnage can take place at thousands of kilometers from the epicenter (i.e. hours later) ?

 
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For updated information regarding earthquakes check:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov
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Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:28 am

+8700 dead is the latest, the jetty I is was fishing from in august on Havelock island is gone!
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Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:48 am

Iakobos,

I think it has something to do with a missing civil defense network in many poorer countries, also AFAIK Thailand hasn´t been hit by a major earth quake or a tsunami before, so the necessary infrastructure to alert and evacuate people, especially in rural areas (it looks as if most victims come from rural coastal villlages in India and Sri Lanka, or places like the Maledives and Komoro Islands, where there is simply no place to go, even if the population was alerted in time).

Somewhere in my desk I´ve got a flyer published by the Filipino civil defense describing their Taifun and Tsunami alert system, which is based on radio broadcasts (not very usefull during night, when everybody sleeps) and siren signals for the cities (villages usually don´t have fire sirens). It also gives instruction about what to take and where to go, e.g. up the hills in case of a tsunami.

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R.I.P to those who died in this terrible disaster.

 Sad

[Edited 2004-12-26 17:55:12]
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Hello Jan,

Yes, I concur on the causes, but I am wondering if authorities are informed and if so, by whom and when ?
I might be wrong but AFAIK there is no international body and relevant network whose duty would be to record/monitor and warn on an international level, not only in the case of seaquakes but on every other nature or man-made cataclysm (re. Chernobyl).

You might have a good national system in place, still, in catastrophic instances it might well depend on information coming from outside.

I bet that many lives were lost simply because people were totally unaware of what was coming.
 
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Swedish media report +9000 dead, wave has hit African shores as well and 9 dead reported from Africa, wonder how the Seychelles, Comores and so on has managed....
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Mon Dec 27, 2004 2:27 am

Here's the info bulletin. Apparently the tsunami was localized.

http://lumahai.soest.hawaii.edu/text/tsunami/TSUNAMI.PHEB

edit: this is from the Pacific tsunami center, the event we're talking is apprently not considered a pacific event.

[Edited 2004-12-26 18:36:49]
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Iakobos,

Concerning earthquakes, I think the system relies mostly on the worldwide cooperation of geophysicists and scientific observatories. I know that the Philippines have a Department of Geology and Vulcanology, but on the other hand they´ve got lots of active vulcanos and earthquakes are not unusual in their region, so the place is on duty 24/7.
Other countries, which are not used to earthquakes often don´t have such departments.

Another thing e.g. in industrialised countries would be the politicos like ministers of the interior or mayors. If you evacuate a major city and later it is discovered to be a false alert, political heads will roll. Often politicians will keep the evacuation for the last minute, even if adviced better.
A few years ago I did a special tour around and partially into the crater of Mt. Vesuvius. I got told by the guide that the Vesuvius observatory extimates a warning period of 7-10 days before an eruption.
Can you imagine the cities of Naples, Pompei, Herculaneo with a total population of almost 1 million people being evacuated within one week? What about factories and goods? It will be a major chaos.

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AP is reporting that India and Sri Lanka are not members of the international tsunami warning organization...

Subscription req. http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5155246.html
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Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:36 am

Figures have reached the 11,000 mark, including 3,600 in Sri Lanka.

Jan,

Yes, geophysical institutes have their own internet-based network.

The problem in my eyes is that there does not seem to be an international monitoring body, and if, warnings are not conveyed to the people who would need it, and I dare to think that if people would have heard something even a few minutes beforehand, a large percentage would be alive.
 
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Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:32 am

Yes there is an international body for tsunami warning. Here's the site:

http://ioc.unesco.org/itsu/

Apparently neither India or Sri Lanka is a participant. Sad....
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International but limited to tsunamis in the Pacific area.

What follows is actually very new and really global, it is a UN body and based in Bonn, Germany.

The Platform for the Promotion of Early Warning, which started operations in 2004, will help the development of early warning and preparedness systems by (i) advocating for better early warning systems, especially in development assistance policy and programs, (ii) collecting and disseminating information on best practices, and (iii) stimulating cooperation among early warning actors and the development of new ways to improve early warning systems.
 
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Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:58 am

yes, however the site I provided a link to states Indian Ocean if you read it carefully. And it's run by UNESCO which is a UN body...
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Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:59 am

Seems like even Oman failed to escape the Tsunami, a british sea-vessel was run aground and sea coasts hit by the 5m tidal surge, no reports of any injuries but damage along much of the Oman coast.
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Latest body count, +12000 dead in Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Somalia, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Also affected with no deaths as far as I aware of, Australia, Oman, Seychelles and Tanzania.

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Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:33 am

this is nuts....it makes me think of that movie....the day after tomorrow......

when you think about what happened for a while, it makes you wonder about the balance of nature, and how we take things for granted, and REALLY makes you think about how 12000 people are just gone.....just like that.... i still can't grasp the idea of it, it feels too much like a movie...
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My prayers are with the 10's of thousands that have died from the catastrophe.

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