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UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:40 am

after the UN claims that US aid for the tsunami is stingy...

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041228-122330-7268r.htm

....i had a thought. well indonesia is primarily muslim, and have we heard of other arab and or muslim dominated contries step up?

how about osama bin laden? we know he has plenty of money.

i am not politicizing the atrocity of the earthquake and tsunami--though the UN is attempting to do so.

while i'm sure other contries (including those i mention above) will contribute large amounts of money for the recovery effort, why does the UN make such an effort to single out the US contribution?
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:48 am

If you'd bothered to read the article, or perhaps not attempted to put your own spin on it, you'd tell us that Jan Egeland said that the US and other Western countries, including Europe were 'being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.'

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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:48 am

It don't think they necessarily singled out the US. In the third paragragh it says the undersecratary suggested the US and 'other Western countries' were being stingy. After reading the article I got the feeling that Mr. Egeland was politicizing the tradedy himself suggesting the West isn't Socialist enough for him. The reason I say this is because even if taxes are raised as he suggests, it doesn't necessarily mean more funds would be available for disaster relief. On the contrary, extra funds and even more would probably be tied up in the programs that go along with increased taxes.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:08 am

Well, people here in Sweden are furious with the PM and the FM due to lack of organization and many claim Finland and Italy was responding much faster.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:13 am

Jetservice is spot on.

I wonder if the UN is just upset that the bulk of aid coming from the US will not be funneled through the UN...rather it will go to organizations like the Red Cross and Red Crescent?

But he really shouldn't worry as the US has a history of giving aid to those affected by natural disasters.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:14 am

I don't know about the UN claims, but it does seem a bit strange that countries have offered only 10 or 15 million dollars for the aid effort. It is 2004 and that little money isn't going to get anyone anywhere, even if we're talking about some of the poorer countries in the world.

Whilst it is true that some of the affected countries don't need the financial assistance, many of them do. And all of them can use a hand with doctors, emergency supplies and other personnel.

The UN's tax suggestion is beyond ridiculous though. Nearly any country in the world can cough up with a few million dollars without any effort. Hell, India's one of the worst affected countries and taxes aren't being raised here.
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:19 am

I wonder if the UN is just upset that the bulk of aid coming from the US will not be funneled through the UN...rather it will go to organizations like the Red Cross and Red Crescent?

How do you work that out? The article posted has nothing at all to do with that.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:23 am

There is no doubt that more aid will come soon from the USA, probably via the Red Cross/Red Cresent and other NGO's not connected with the UN, and it will be many millions. I agree that as part of the affected countries are predominetly Muslim, that rich Muslim countries and citizens should give some money (and keep it away from terrorists) especially to Muslim areas.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:24 am

Just a question posed by me on the thought process of the UN as an organization.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:24 am

The federal government has no authority to give away Americans' dollars as foreign aid or even for disaster relief. It's unconstitutional.

The states can, however, and Americans are known to be a generous people with donations to charity (they'd be much more generous if the average tax rate was 40%).
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:25 am

Looking at this from the logistics standpoint, coming up with large amounts of money on short notice is not easy. At any given time a country may have some unreserved cash avialable, but to come up with more than that takes a serious rebudgeting effort. Even when you are operating in debt, you still only have a finite amount of money to go around. Given time I am sure the US and other countries will be able to free up more more money and other forms of aid. Given the response to other natural disasters, I hardly think the US and other European countries have a history of being stingy.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:28 am

The federal government has no authority to give away Americans' dollars as foreign aid or even for disaster relief. It's unconstitutional.

The states can, however, and Americans are known to be a generous people with donations to charity (they'd be much more generous if the average tax rate was 40%).


This coming from the genius that didn't vote because he thought it legitimised the government.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:30 am

I saw Colin Powell on TV saying of the appeal for $7m from the International Federation of the Red Cross that the US had given $4 - if that's the case its not stingy at all. Haven't they given an initial $15 with more to come based on assesments? What everyone has pledged so far is just initial ammounts

$30m from Japan
$15m from USA
AUD10m from Australia
EUR3m from the EU (in addition to member states contributions)

There are others and these are just initial contributions from Governments. Much more will come from them and also from appeals inside countries.
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:40 am

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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:14 am

U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland suggested that the United States and other Western nations were being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.

"It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," a Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least, how rich we have become."
"There are several donors who are less generous than before in a growing world economy," he said, adding that politicians in the United States and Europe "believe that they are really burdening the taxpayers too much, and the taxpayers want to give less. It's not true. They want to give more."


Just another UN jackass. Ignore him and his crying silly comments. What has the U.S. done? 15 million dollars, 21 aircraft, disaster relief teams and all the logistics of the United States. That's just to start.

Please Mr. UN official, go back to your cubby hole and your desk and worry about where you will have a your dinner tonight at some swanky New York restaurant.  Yeah sure



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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:37 am

Another Num-nutz from the UN bitching, what a surprise.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:50 am

It's so typical. It's sad to see that people are bashing eachother in terrible disasters like this.
I know Denmark has aided 10 mio DKK. That is around 1.75mio USD.
And they were talking about sending more money.
And the Red Cross in DEnmark have been very busy. More than 20.000 danish people wants to give money and work for free.

That is really nice to see. And I'm sure they are doing that in other countries as well.

ANd I saw that part about the swedish government as well. It's so damn typical. People just don't know how long it takes to set up emergency recues like this.
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:51 am

I'll donate as soon as the UN does something in the Sudan. I might die of old age first though...
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:13 am

I heard that countries like the US, Canada and some European nations are waiting for more information to come out before they donate money to the disaster relief.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:25 am

Slamclick is spot on with that one  Big thumbs up

Alright, would you give money to an organization who's already, time and time again showed fiscal irresponsibility, and the ability to funnel that money right back to their own pockets? That's like putting your money in the shredder and hoping it gets over to the homeless shelter somehow.

The US's aid dollar is better served giving directly to the Red Cross and other relief agencies....not through a crooked excuse for a United Nations.

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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:33 am

Whaa whaa, and here we go... US bashing UN round 4,172. Seriously, can't you guys come up with anything than "the UN is crap and takes up way too much space in Manhattan"?  Insane

Oh, and I might add that Germany (the government) donated €2,000,000 immediate aid; however, that may be more now since my info is several hours old. In addition to that, a MEDEVAC A310 is going to fly to Thailand soon.

[Edited 2004-12-28 21:37:24]
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:47 am

Oh, and I might add that Germany (the government) donated €2,000,000 immediate aid; however, that may be more now since my info is several hours old. In addition to that, a MEDEVAC A310 is going to fly to Thailand soon.

Congratulations, and the US has sent, what, 20 some odd aircraft, disaster relief teams, and a descent amount of dough considering the fact that they don't know where it will all exactly go. Emergency coordination takes TIME.
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:52 am

"20 some odd aircraft"

You mean USAF aircraft or civilian ones to get people out?

"disaster relief teams"

Just like we did. And the French. And probably a heap of other nations.
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Dude, no need to defend yourself or your country. I was just trying to show how "the West" isn't necessarily "stingy" with aid; in addition to pointing out how stupid I find these "the UN is crap" threads.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:54 am

I agree that as part of the affected countries are predominetly Muslim, that rich Muslim countries and citizens should give some money (and keep it away from terrorists) especially to Muslim areas.

Two countries are Muslim -- Aceh (in Indonesia) and the Maldives. Sri Lanka, India and Thailand are not Muslim. Other minor affected countries such as Malaysia and Bangladesh are 'Muslim' nations, but are relatively unaffected.

But anyway, from:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2EE5995E-555C-4E65-9F7D-488F2D1963C0.htm

Qatar is sending $10 million to the victims while the United Arab Emirates has directed the country's Red Crescent Society to send emergency aid to the disaster-hit areas.

Kuwait's Red Crescent Society has launched a fundraising campaign after the government said it was sending $1 million to help the victims.


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an annoyed Secretary of State Colin Powell said Washington was "the greatest contributor to international relief efforts in the world."

From: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2EE5995E-555C-4E65-9F7D-488F2D1963C0.htm

Among individual countries, Japan said it would provide $40 million for emergency food, medicine and shelter, of which $30 million would be provided directly, and almost $10 million via non-governmental bodies.

In Washington, the US government pledged nearly $15 million in immediate aid and promised more to come, including $4million to the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.


If Australia can immediately give AU$10 million with the promise of a lot more to come, in addition to relief and medical teams, etc, etc, then YES, I am sure that the so-called bastions of capitalism and all that is good in the world, the US and EU can come up with something better than a piddly EUR1 milion (from Germany) or US$15 million (from US).

It's a fair call from the UN on this one I feel.
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:58 am

US aid is up to over 30 mil with more coming. I'd say his point-the first one-was anything but a "fair call."

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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:59 am

Errr... and Australia isn't part of the big, bad stingy West? Not trying to make a point here, besides "DON'T GENERALISE!"
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:11 am

It's a fair call from the UN on this one I feel.

Then you had better tell that UN official that because he said he "was misquoted" and it is not true.

We all know that aid and all the help available is being sent to help the victims. Too bad this UN official chose to drag it all in the mud when that was not what any of the victims needed.

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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:16 am

Jan has already backed down, saying his statements yesterday were "misinterpreted". Obtaining and activating the financial and physical resources needed to deal with this catastrophe is beyond difficult, and glitches at every level are inevitable. Nobody is in any position to call anyone stingy at this point (except, of course, Russophile, who never heard a criticism of the U.S. he didn't agree with).

The point is that, in an impossible situation, everyone needs to work together as well as possible, and not engage in pissy finger pointing.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:34 am

US aid is up to over 30 mil with more coming. I'd say his point-the first one-was anything but a "fair call."

Still lagging at least $10 million behind rightfully claiming that "greatest contributor" status  Big grin

Errr... and Australia isn't part of the big, bad stingy West? Not trying to make a point here, besides "DON'T GENERALISE!"

Aloges, you Yanks and you Europeans like to bitch and gouge each others eyes out over who has the biggest dick. But it is at times like this that both yours dicks quickly shrivel up.

Someone mentioned above that these relief efforts take time. This is exactly the point. There is NO TIME. I don't think many people out there truly understand the gravity of the situation. You have tens of millions of people who are at dire risk of contracting diseases and the like, and those countries which are affected already have their resources stretched to the limit. In this day and age of when money talks and bullshit walks, the most important thing these nations need is MONEY. And they don't need it in 30 days time, or in 3 months or 6 months time. They needed it yesterday.

So yes Aloges, the US and the EU are being somewhat 'stingy'. The US and the EU is a lot 'richer' than Australia (and other countries), yet the amounts of immediate aid which have been announced are not so much as what they could be.

Oh and dvk, to get your head out of you know where, I am being critical of the US and EU, but in this case, am moreso against the EU, particularly countries such as Germany, which are only too happy to have it's citizens going to these countries as tourists and the like, but when required are giving basically pocket change.

Instead of assessing everything and going thru committees and other bureaucratic bullshit, which is only going to take huge amounts of time, why can't countries say "OK, this is what we can afford. If all the amount if required, no problem. If not, we'll take it back." -- much like what Japan has done. All aid from all countries is of course appreciated by these people, but in time-critical situations, it should be a bit more forthcoming than it has. Think about it, after 11 Sept 2001, it was only a matter of hours after the event that all these millions and millions of dollars and offers of specialist teams and the like were being pledged by governments from around the world. Yet, some how many days after the biggest disaster in recent years (in sheer numbers and countries affected), and it seems the aid is only dribbling in. I think that it is the gist of what this UN guy is getting at.
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:57 am

Oh Brissie, I know you too well. My head's not anywhere it's not supposed to be. I've read your rants for years now. You have all the answers, all the time, and the rest of us are just moronic swabs. 9/11 is not a valid comparison, because of the sheer enormity of the Tsunami catastrophe. The millions already contributed for the Tsunami recovery effort worldwide far exceed any monetary pledges made immediately after 9/11.

We all know that resources were needed yesterday for the victims in Asia. The logistics of any disaster plan are simply overwhelmed by such a huge event. Rather than engaging in nonproductive criticism, everyone who cannot do something to help physically should focus on doing something else to help, e.g., making a contribution to one of the aid organizations (Red Cross, Unicef, etc.).
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:10 am

I heard a woman on a talk show last night bemoaning the amount of money the U.S. was donating to the relief efforts. She said she wanted to see it in the $250-300 million dollar range - and many callers agreed.

If the government can only afford to send $30 million (keeping in mind that several times that amount will likely be donated by U.S. citizens to entities like the American Red Cross, etc.) in aid, then so be it. It's better than nothing, right?

So to those people who think we MUST find a way to send $300 million, I ask you - what schools or homeless shelters in the U.S. do you propose we take the money from to pay for the aid to those affected by the tsunamis, then?

While I agree that we need to send whatever we can, we can only send what we can afford.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:34 am

So to those people who think we MUST find a way to send $300 million, I ask you - what schools or homeless shelters in the U.S. do you propose we take the money from to pay for the aid to those affected by the tsunamis, then?

I'm sure the war on Iraq has cost far more than $300 million dollars.

What no one has cared to realise that Jan Egeland critisised all Western countries, not just the US.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:41 am

If the government can only afford to send $30 million (keeping in mind that several times that amount will likely be donated by U.S. citizens to entities like the American Red Cross, etc.) in aid, then so be it. It's better than nothing, right?

I agree. If a government can't afford to sent anything at all, then just their good sentiments will be enough.

However, I'm pretty sure even the government of Bangladesh can come up with $30 million in a pinch, so the question of being able to afford a few million is strange.

Why is it that governments - and this is applicable to all governments, rich and poor, American or Zairean or Indian - can easily afford certain kinds of things and not others?
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:59 am

Interesting story...seems Sri Lanka had an issue with Israeli aid...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4130599.stm

"Sri Lanka restored diplomatic ties with Israel in 2000, despite objections from the island's Muslim minority."

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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:26 am

Some general perspective

How do U.S. aid levels compare with those of other countries?
The U.S. foreign-aid budget as a percentage of gross national product (GNP) ranks last among the world’s wealthiest countries (at about 0.1 percent). In raw dollars, however, the United States is now the world’s top donor of economic aid, although for more than a decade it was second to Japan, which is far smaller and has been beset by economic woes. In 2001, the United States gave $10.9 billion, Japan $9.7 billion, Germany $4.9 billion, the United Kingdom $4.7 billion, and France $4.3 billion. As a percentage of GNP, however, the top donors were Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Sweden. The tiny Netherlands (pop. 16.3 million) gave $3.2 billion in 2001—almost a third of what America contributed


I will add that the USA comes in at No 20 among the OECD coutries, the top 11 are all European countries, No 12 is Japan.
 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:58 am

For Maverick,

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=12898&Cr=sudan&Cr1=

A peaceful solution, condoned by Khartoum, was the objective from the start.

It was jointly decided (UN-OAU) to leave the matter (in the field) in the hands of the OAU, with the clear understanding that Nigeria, South Africa and Egypt (the three with sizeable military resources) would play a leading role.
Guess what, apart from a 700 strong peace "force" from The Gambia, and about 300 "monitors" from each Nigeria and Rwanda, nothing came out of the rapid deployment of 3,500 (which in itself was totally inadequate).

So, Annan has to ring the bell as usual, and the UNSC has to convene around a cup of coffee/tea as usual and declare it quit.

AFAIK, France, Germany and Belgium are running permanent (military) logistic operations in Darfur (planes, helis,....) on a voluntary basis (not UN mandated). Who is going to do something ? Russia, China, the UK, USA ?
None of them probably.

 
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:58 am

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is donating $10 million.

As mentioned already, Kuwait, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates have already pledged aid.

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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:40 pm

Screw the UN . . . the guy was misquoted anyway . . .

As I said in another post in a different thread, the UN is an outdated, outmoded, antiquated organization.

As for aid to the Tsunami affected regions, I hope the United States does the max it can do. It's a terrible disaster and I feel aweful for those folks, all of them.

Having said that - during this past summer when 5 hurricanes assaulted Florida, how much aid did Florida get from the UN? Or anywhere else for that matter?

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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:09 pm



Maybe instead of buying nice suits and eating at fancy restaurants this guy can actually donate himself.

Maybe we should blame Jan Egeland for not doing shit when it comes to Sudan's problem. Total jackass.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:18 pm

Stop your sniping at each other ,guys, and instead, make a donation to a charitable organization on behalf of the victims of this incredible human tragedy. Who the fuck CARES who gives the most!! Just get the aid to these people! I myself plan to give to the Red Cross to help in this effort. I cannot give a lot, but if each of us who cannot give a lot, can give a little, it will add up to about a billion US dollars in the end. Just do it.

But on the topic, if you count private donations, like to the Red Cross, US contributions, when it's all said in done, I would wager will top a half billion dollars.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:20 pm

So to those people who think we MUST find a way to send $300 million, I ask you - what schools or homeless shelters in the U.S. do you propose we take the money from to pay for the aid to those affected by the tsunamis, then?

How about instead of spending that 100 billion dollars in Iraq (plus the 80 bill that Bush wants), give a generous donation to countries that have lost tens of thousands of people and in threat of disease which could kill double that, plus the costs of rebuilding entire cities???
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:28 pm

Well minister Egg-head, seems to be complaining about the fact that a given nations GNP is outpacing the level of aid a country has typically given in the past.

Don't know if this is a legitimate complaint or not, I don't know if it should be required that every nationon should tithe 10% to the UN.

BTW: Word is that in additon to the 30 mil of immediate aid the US is sending a dozen C-130's and 9 P-3's to the area to haul supplies, and search for surviors.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:28 pm

The US doesn't have any money to spend.

We have the largest deficit in US history and fighting a useless war. It's no wonder we aren't supplying a ton of aide.
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:35 pm

This is all a fundemental issue. While the U.S government may not be donating sufficient funds to the relief fund, the American people are. Per capita the average american donates more than all those in Europe, even those parts greatly affected by the event. Thanks to G. Dubyas tax cuts the americans make the donations instead of the government. Other countries have the government making the donations and less people. Overall we come out ahead.
 
jamesag96
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:38 pm

Good lord FB, are you not paying attention? The US is not supplying a "ton of aide"?

Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
 
jasepl
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:44 pm

Strange, isn't it. Whilst a lot of the rich West is bickering and being relatively stingy with it's chequebook, India, with over 12,000 of her own dead to deal with, sent a planeload of relief supplies to Sri Lanka the same day and despatched 4 naval ships as well. On top of that, dozens of Indian Navy and Air Force helicopters are carying out evacuation sorties in Sri Lanka. Planeloads of supplies, medicine, equipment and doctors continue to arrive from India several times daily.

Of course, some of this has to do with being neighbourly and with India's being located closest to Sri Lanka. Still, I am impressed with this, even if only for the reason that India hasn't done such things very often in the past.
 
ANCFlyer
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:52 pm

relatively stingy with it's chequebook

Might need to save some money for the next third world country that comes begging for help. Seems everyone always looks to the USofA when the shit hits the fan, but those same folks are sure ready to call us warmongering infidels too.

As I said earlier, this is a terrible thing, honestly think it will be the most catastrophic event of the decade, and I feel badly for everyone.

This time however, I'm glad to see many other nations pitching in to this relief effort.




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Falcon84
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:54 pm

I just gave $25 USD to the Red Cross.

I urge all of you to do something similar.
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diamond
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RE: UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:00 pm

It is amazing that those of you who hate the U.N. so much are hanging this whole matter one one guy from that organization who just happened to point out the obvious:

Through May 2004, $150,000,000,000 was appropriated for the war in Iraq.* Now, in December 2004, Bush is preparing another request for $80,000,000,000, which will bring the total to $230,000,000,000.

In addition to these funds, on 12/27/04 the U.S. decided to forgive over $4,000,000,000 in Iraq's debts to the U.S - not included in the above numbers.**

That's $230 Billion, with a B.

And for the "largest humanitarian relief effort in the world's history", we are proposing to offer $35 Milliion (with an M) in loans, which are expected to be repaid against a line of credit with interest.

So making it simple, we are willing to offer only 1/10th of ONE PERCENT OF OUR IRAQ INVESTMENT (0.0152% to be exact) to help out with this crisis. And we expect to be paid back ??

I don't care if you are pro-Bush or anti-Bush ... you ought to be able to see the problem with this picture. We look like fools again - and the U.N. has nothing to do with it.



* " ... So far, Congress appropriated approximately $56 billion in April 2003; another $72 billion in November 2003, and currently is in the process of appropriating an additional $25 billion, which was requested by the Bush Administration in May 2004. The total amounts to over $150 billion, but will be higher as the Bush Administration requests further spending later this year ... "

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/Issues/Military/Iraq/CostOfWar.html

** " ... The United States has written off one-hundred percent of Iraq's debt to the U.S. -- over four-billion dollars. Secretary of State Colin Powell said, "Lifting the crushing burden of the old regime's debt is one of the most important contributions we can make to Iraq's new beginning."
Iraqi Finance Minister Adil Abd al-Mahdi said that Iraq had been a donor nation in the early 1970s. But, he said, "Over two decades, all the fortune and wealth of Iraq were destroyed. Instead of having billions of reserves, Iraq was left with billions in debt." Mr. al-Mahdi blamed the former regime of Saddam Hussein for wasting Iraq's wealth in wars with its neighbors.

U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow said, "The situation that Iraq faces is unprecedented, and the response of the world community needed to be unprecedented as well." He said debt relief is necessary if Iraq is to reintegrate itself into the world economy.

The agreement to write off Iraq's debt to the U.S. follows a decision by the Paris Club of creditor nations to forgive eighty percent of Iraq's debts –- a total of about thirty–two billion dollars. The Paris Club includes the U.S., Japan, Russia, and other European countries. ... "


http://www1.voanews.com/Editorials/article.cfm?objectID=C64E20D0-78CB-4CAB-8865B7A21518ECF1&title=12%2F27%2F04%20-%20U.S.%20WRITES%20OFF%20ALL%20IRAQI%20DEBT

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