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Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:09 am

About 25 millions has been pledged to the tsunami catastrophe while 85 billions has been allocated to the fiasco in Iraq. Hey, Bush! 3 billions would be a realalistic sum for the flood victims.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:14 am

Well,

I did my share today. I donated 50USD.  Smile I know they need it more than I do.
 
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:16 am

Hey Blackbird - as I asked in another thread - what after-school programs, homeless shelters, or medical research grants would you like to take the money from to pay for this?

The U.S. is already the world's single largest contributor to disaster relief, with the vast majority of it coming not from the federal government, but from citizens donating to relief organizations like the American Red Cross, etc.

Trust me, they'll get FAR more than just the $30M the government has promised.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:26 am

I did my share today. I donated 50USD. I know they need it more than I do.

I also donated. Today I was at my bank to pay-in the money I got for Christmas from my relatives. I transfered all to my account except of 20 EUR, this 20 EUR I have sent to UNICEF (I don't donate to churchly organisations) to help the victims of this tragedy.

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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:30 am

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041228/D878TEPG1.html

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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:30 am

this 20 EUR I have sent to UNICEF

Why not donate to the Red Cross?
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:36 am

Duffy said that included in the $20 million that USAID has pledged is $2 million for Sri Lanka, $1 million for Indonesia and $100,000 each for India, the Maldives and Thailand.

That's bizarre... America's giving $100,000 of aid to India and India's giving much more than that in assistance to other countries!
 
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:37 am

"Why not donate to the Red Cross?"

Are we going to attack people for the organisation they donated to?  Confused
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:41 am

Why not donate to the Red Cross?

Good idea actually but yesterday evening I saw the news and they showed some names of organizations who need help, the only organization of them I could remember today was UNICEF.

UNICEF seems to have a better marketing department than the Red Cross  Big grin.

Anyway, this year I spent two great holidays on Phuket and every local there treated my friendly, so I thought that I must help these people somehow, no matter via which organization.

Patrick

Edit: Of course I give a damn in which of the affected counties my money will arrive, I could have spend a nice holiday also in India or Sri Lanka, I had donated anyway.

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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:44 am

I don't think that he is trying to get at that.

UNICEF is a a charity to help deprived children around the world, whilst the Red Cross offers assistance to a wider spectrum of people..

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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:50 am

F**k! Just saw that the death toll's been revised to about 60,000, with thousands more still unaccounted for.
 
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:08 am

I'm not critisising, I just think money would reach those who needed quicker with Red Cross / Red Cresent.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:10 am

I wish there was more I could do beside just giving money.

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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:25 am

I made my donation to the Canadian Red Cross and I urge all Canadians on this board to do the same. The links are:

In English: https://www.strategicprofitsinc.com/hosted/redcross/index.php

En français: https://secure.csfm.com/croix-rouge/
 
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:29 am

My point being was that we seem to have so much to support war, but need to beg during times of natural diasater. I am sure A.neters are of good stock and can make up their own minds when it comes to these kinds of decisions. It is the decision making process of the current administration that is being questioned.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:44 am

Why not donate to the Red Cross?

Because the Red Cross is not permitted to operate in Moslem countries. That "tolerant" religion requires that they do business as the Red Crescent.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:17 am

Because the Red Cross is not permitted to operate in Moslem countries. That "tolerant" religion requires that they do business as the Red Crescent.

Which is a bit of spin, really. In 1986 it was decided to call the organisation in Muslim countries the Red Crescent not because the Red Cross is banned, or not permitted to help in those countries, but to attempt to alleviate the confusion over whether the Red Cross is a religious organisation. In the midst of a humanitarian crisis, the last thing you want is for people to be wary of an aid organisation.

The countries don't require the organisation to be called the Red Crescent - the name has been around since 1929. I'm sure there are many people in the US and other Western countries who think the Red Cross is a Christian organisation, and would be wary to deal with, what they perceive to be, a Muslim Red Crescent.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:34 am

I shall be donating as soon as my pay clears,

what's the best place to donate to? The Red Cross??

Truly a Terrible Disaster  Sad
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:40 am

I just made a donation ($25), Yahoo has a link off their homepage. Such a tragedy.
 
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:48 am

I shall be donating around £20 or so.

As TUNisia said I wish there would be more we could do to help in this terrible crisis  Sad
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:03 am

Is there any point to this thread other than to bash the U.S. and President Bush?

There is already a thread about the earthquake.

There is already a thread about the U.N. whining that the U.S. isn't spending enough over the tsunami.

There is already a thread for whining about spending money in Iraq.

Guess there isn't a point except to try and stir the pot.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:06 am

"Is there any point to this thread other than to bash the U.S. and President Bush?"

B757300, being that the one who started the thread is an American, that is "a bit" out there.

"Guess there isn't a point except to try and stir the pot."

And now the ever-repeating question: Why did you bother gracing this thread with a reply, then?
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:07 am

Because the Red Cross is not permitted to operate in Moslem countries. That "tolerant" religion requires that they do business as the Red Crescent.

Ah yes! Just like the "tolerant" religion of Judaism requires they do business as the Magen David Adom or Red Shield of David, in Israel.  Yawn

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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:12 am

What annoys me is people can still get in stupid arguments over A.net Whilst 60,000 innocent lives have just been lost  Sad

Bush good/Bad?... So what, that is not going to help all those poor victims.

If he is donating something its better than nothing at all.

Just my 2 penny's.

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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:23 am

being that the one who started the thread is an American, that is "a bit" out there.

...um, ever seen a Michael Moore movie?  Nuts



Bush good/Bad?... So what, that is not going to help all those poor victims.

Agreed
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:34 am

Hey ConcordeBoy, B757300

Why not make a donation and help these people?
 
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:38 am

Because the Red Cross is not permitted to operate in Moslem countries. That "tolerant" religion requires that they do business as the Red Crescent.

Oh please cut the crap. The Red Cross is not banned from Moslem countries.

First of all, the Red Cross is an international organization and it takes international cooperation to make such an organization work. Each country has its own branch.

Naturally, it makes sense to call the organization the Red Crescent in a Moslem country, does it not?

A country can choose whether to go with the title Red Cross or Red Crescent as 777236ER mentioned. There is nothing intolerant about this.

And it really doesn't matter because it is the same organization, it's the Red Cross & Red Crescent Society.

The ICRC is infact considering adding the Red Diamond which would represent neutrality. I think this is a great idea.

Now let us stop this stupid bickering over something that isn't worth bickering about. There are thousands of people who are suffering because of this tragedy.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:40 am

Now let us stop this stupid bickering over something that isn't worth bickering about. There are thousands of people who are suffering because of this tragedy.

Thank you, one of my main points exactly  Smile
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:22 pm

I have a question. I may be totally off base with this and someone correct me if I am in any way missing something.

The US has coughed up 25 million in relief. That is great, it probably seeds more goodwill than selling them weapons.


but

What have France, Germany, Russia and the other countries that go out of their way to promote peace and love all over the world done? Remember, the US and the evil George W. promote hate and war. It is against our policy to help ANYONE.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:31 pm

Someone on TV this evening made a good point.

The best 'donation' we can make is by returning to those countries on holidays once the place has been cleared up and the place is reasonably back to normal (estimated at 3-6 months for Thailand to 1 year - 18 months for the worst affected parts of Indonesia and Sri LankaI

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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:39 pm

About 25 millions has been pledged to the tsunami catastrophe

This is just the initial pledge. I'm sure the Bush admin will continue to re-evaluate this, and pledge much more in the coming weeks.

It doesn't matter, the American citizens will more than make up for it.

As far as the UN calling the US stingy? With the money that comes from the private sector and American citizens to disaster relief, I'd like to see any country match it. They won't be able to.

I think the UN deserves to get the middle finger by us again.

 
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:29 pm

Why not make a donation and help these people?

Here's a better question: why do you assume we (or at least, I) haven't?
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RE: Cut The Crap

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:37 pm

"Here's a better question: why do you assume we (or at least, I) haven't?"

Because this is airliners.net and that's what one does....if they can't find anything worthwhile in your profile to bash.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:52 am

BTW,

I donated my money to the Red Barnet foundation.
And in English that is Save the Children foundation. I would have given it to Red Cross as well. But after I saw all the children that has lost their parents I decided to give my money to them.
 
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:08 am

Nobody has yet answered my question. What have these bastions of peace and love, the countries we all should aspire to be done? How much relief is spewing fourth from France, Germany, Russia, etc?

Remember, the evil US and the great Satan himself George W. Bush are being stingy with relief. Why is it we always get stuck with the bill any time shit happens?
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:25 am

Captoveur, had you read only as little of that "stingy" thread as I did, you'd know that the UN guy referred to Germany just like he referred to the US. I'm sorry if it doesn't fit a "You bastards are all against us!" way of thinking.

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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:46 am

How much relief is spewing fourth from France, Germany, Russia, etc?

Russia has already sent MChS Il-76 and Il-62 full of supplies to the region - both aircraft were used on the return flight to Russia to expatriate Russian citizens.



More MChS flights to Colombo and Bangkok will be taking place over the coming days.

MChS personnel have been in Sri Lanka for a couple of days and are already assisting in the rescue/recovery operations.

MChS has also sent a BO-105 chopper -- something which the Sri Lankan authorities have been crying out for for days -- choppers being needed to speed up relief deliveries to those who are cut off.

Will have to search for it, but Putin has already pledged several million dollars also.


 
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:47 am

It does fit well with the "Anytime shit happens lets go run to the US" way of thinking so much of the world seems to have.

If I was in charge I would eliminate ALL aide and assistance going to anyone and see how much the world screams. If they want to call us stingy let's show them stingy.

I think it is strange how so many of these countries hate us 350 days a year but for those 2 weeks when we get the checkbook out everyone becomes our best friends.

Either hate us or love us, pick one. If you hate us don't stand around with your hand out when something bad happens in your shithole country.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:58 am

It does fit well with the "Anytime shit happens lets go run to the US" way of thinking so much of the world seems to have.

Ha ha!

If I was in charge I would eliminate ALL aide and assistance going to anyone and see how much the world screams. If they want to call us stingy let's show them stingy.

LOL!

I think it is strange how so many of these countries hate us 350 days a year but for those 2 weeks when we get the checkbook out everyone becomes our best friends.

Funny!

Either hate us or love us, pick one. If you hate us don't stand around with your hand out when something bad happens in your shithole country.

ROTFLMAO!
 
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:59 am

"Either hate us or love us, pick one."

Simple as that, it isn't. I'll refrain from any further comment.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:07 am

fine ill hate you then, you can cut yourselfs off go float in the atlantic and rot we`ll all be better off without you, i would think any little contribution would be a nice way to offset all the crap you dish out to the would wouldnt you? you expected enough sympathey after bloody 9/11 which was no where near in comparison as bad as this is. pull your heads out of your arses.

now off to make my donation to do what i can to help

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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:10 am

you expected enough sympathey after bloody 9/11

There is a big diff between sympathy and asking nations to get out their checkbooks. Sympathy doesn't get a line in the budget.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:10 am

>.The ICRC is infact considering adding the Red Diamond which would represent neutrality. I think this is a great idea.<<

I suppose they can't use the Red Circle because then people would think it's a Japanese organization.

And the Red Octagon would just make everyone halt in their tracks.

And a Red Square would make everyone think it's a Russian organization.

Why not a Red Spade or a Red Club though?? Or a Red Peace Sign?
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:16 am

There is a big diff between sympathy and asking nations to get out their checkbooks. Sympathy doesn't get a line in the budget.

yeah its called deacencey and helping those in need. if all you care is a line in a budget you need a reality check. would like to see it happen in america then watch how fast your opinion changes
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:22 am

If it happened in America how many countries do you think would actually get out their checkbook?

Probably none, that is why I may be cold blooded or out of touch, but I really don't care.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:29 am

and maybe its that attitude of americans is the reason that no one would get out the chequebooks for you, circle of life  Pissed
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:32 am

Gary2880: Please do not pay any attention to Captoveur's complete RUBBISH. His attitude does NOT represent how most Americans feel about this disaster.

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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:33 am

Why don't we ask a representative of the recieving countries if they are satisfied with US aid? If they don't want it or feel it is too little to bother with, fine. If they do want it and will take help where they can find it, also fine. The complaining by the UN and the rest of the world is about as useful as a eunuch in a whorehouse. Charitable giving is between the donor and the reciever. The rest is sour grapes.
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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:33 am

TWFirst, it's a pity though the people with that attitude are the most vocal ones, at least here on a.net.

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RE: Cut The Crap

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:34 am

Captoveur,

I would certainly do anything in the mean nessesary to help, such as donating money/ Blood (and im terrified of needles owwie  Smile).

I don't even know how you can even start to think about the US and there needs above all those lives lost, I bet that plenty of countries would donate to your aid if you had a similar disaster.
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