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India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:42 am

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041230/ap_on_re_as/tsunami_india_us&cid=516&ncid=2337

Isn't this something? On first glance, I thought, 'How noble India is by not accepting aid if it has the resources to manage on its' own'. Then after reading the article, I now wonder why India isn't accepting any assistance. Is it for political reasons? Are they hiding something? Is it a cultural decision? Pride?

Any thoughts?

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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:44 am

Of course Indian authorities want to be re-elected and they want to hide their failures. I estimate +100.000 dead on the A&N islands...
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:08 am

India sent four naval ships and dozen aircraft to Sri Lanka within 24 hours of disaster. Another two are on the way to Maldives.

Considering all this, probably India indeed does have the resource and manpower to handle this disaster. Need of the hour is clean water, clothes, tents - all of which are available within India at the states not affected by Tsunami. The spontaneous amount of aid pouring from rest of India is also huge.

Also let us not forget that India has seen disaster of every kind since independence - earthquakes, plague, flooding, Industrial disasters like Union Carbide etc. So may be there is indeed native skillsets in India to manage every kind of disaster! It appears Govt of India has finally figured out it can manage relief better than the $250 per hour "Disaster Recovery consultants" or "experts" who emerge from their cave whenever a disaster strikes a third world country! Remember no aid comes without any strings.

So may be this is a sign of India finally coming of age?

 
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:09 am


Alessandro,

You could not have been any further off the mark. In case you forgot, this government was elected by the poor working class of India (which came as a surprise). People who have been most affected because of this tragedy. Besides, a natural disaster like this is a failure on the Government's part, how?

Second, the next round of general elections is more than four years away. Let me say that again, the next time this government comes up for re-election it'll be at least four years from now. Sure, they're thinking of re-election issues rather than deal with the task at hand. And the democrats are choosing their candidate for 2020, right!

India itself has released an immediate amount of $200 million for its people and is donating $30m to other affected countries. Surprisingly there's no mention of this in the article either.

With most of the foreign aid disguised as long-term loans, a "Thanks but no Thanks" may have been in their interest (considering the economy is showing robust growth of more than 8% a year) and with India's foreign exchange reserves at an all time high.

Another clue that suggests this might be the underlying reason is that the refusal does not include non-governmental and aid organisations who are there to help in other ways such as much needed manpower, supplies and medicines.

So, the reason is purely economic. India understands there are other countries that may need help more than they do. India can and will front up the cash that is needed to clean up this mess while helping its neighbours in any way it can.

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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:09 am

"I have told them that, as of now, we feel we have adequate resources to meet the challenge."

This refers to direct US aid in the form of a grant. India has not been a recipient of straight-up US aid for years now. Of course, this does not include IMF and WB loans, Exim Bank loans, etc.

India's refusal does not include U.N. agencies and nongovernment organizations already working in the region.

It has nothing to do with pride or religion or whatever. The country just doesn't need a direct grant from the US treasury.
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:14 am

And lets not forget that its a better idea if aid went directly to NGOs and aid agencies.

Any direct US aid in the form of a grant would end up in the pockets of corrupt Govt of India hooligans... uh, I mean Indian govt. bureaucrats and politicians. So, Manmohan Singh probably did the right thing in more ways than one.
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:16 am

Windowseat, I don´t agree, of course India needs help in the A&N islands,
in Indonesia +400.000 has died and large death-toll in A&N urgent need for
helicopters especially after the losses on Nicobar of helicopters, to aid many islands. Surely a lot of politicans try to quiet things
down and play hero in India....
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:31 am

Alessandro,

Now, it is an accepted fact that Indian politicians tend to be corrupt and all that, but pray tell me where are you getting with this? By not taking other's help and letting people die, the politicians are going to be heroes,how?

in Indonesia +400.000 has died

umm, this thread is about India not accepting direct government aid.

A&N urgent need for helicopters especially after the losses on Nicobar of helicopters, to aid many islands

there's no denying that help is needed. The Indian Government is accepting help that is most needed. Be a volunteer and go to A&N and help, they won't say no. Please don't try and speculate something without any basis.

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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:14 am

India would behoove itself to avail of collaborations in science and technology instead of sticking to its stupid and pointless philosophy of supposed self-reliance. An Indian Express article sums this attitude up perfectly. If the Air India website is any indication, Indian govt agencies are a useless, pathetic bunch at providing information.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=61729

Tunnel vision as policy

Moral of the tsunami story: self-reliance can be the perfect recipe for self-destruction

Posted online: Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 0000 hours IST

Wiser in hindsight as always, India is now considering measures to protect itself against the kind of natural disaster that rocked the nation on Sunday. The tsunami brought with it the realisation that it does not pay to be isolated from scientific collaboration on an international scale, given the indubitable fact that had we been linked to systems like the Pacific Tsunami Warning System, we may have been able to save thousands of lives. Escaping a tsunami is, after all, a fairly simple exercise which involves running away for a kilometre or so from the shoreline when it hits. Therefore monitoring its progress and warning vulnerable communities becomes absolutely crucial.

But for this to happen India needs, first of all, to discard one of its most valued mantras which has become a national ideology: self-reliance. Self-reliance can sometimes be the perfect recipe for self-destruction, as the recent tragedy demonstrated. We are justifiably proud of our pool of scientific talent but if it should result in a fortress mentality, or cause us to reject the option of benefitting from enormous advances in the technology and methods of weather prediction, it does not help us. Tunnel vision cannot be policy, especially in an area like weather forecasting, where developments taking place hundreds of kilometres away crucially impinge on national welfare and well-being. At least twice in the last two decades, India has been the victim of its own ignorance. In 1987, we were clueless about the El Nino phenomenon and paid a heavy price because we were unprepared for the unprecedented drought that descended upon us. While the US had intimation of a major El Nino visitation at least six months in advance, we were left staring blankly at the cruel blue skies which signified a failed monsoon. On Sunday, we had to learn that lesson all over again.

It is time, then, to seriously consider a tsunami alert system for the Indian Ocean that is linked with the one that is already in operation for the Pacific Ocean. Such systems read and put out relevant data which monitors around the world — from undersea gauges to satellite transmitters — pick up. Indeed the tragedy behind the present tragedy, as this newspaper has reported, was that 26 countries were alerted within 15 minutes of Sunday’s disturbances on the Pacific Ocean floor but India was not on that list. In our moment of grief and shock, let us seize the moment and work towards instituting such a monitoring system which will help not just India but all the nations in the region.





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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:20 am

Windowseat, don´t be naive, India don´t issue any visas for foreigners to A&N anymore.

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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:26 am

Even if they have all the resources, if help is being offered..why don't they take it?! Those lousy politicians must be smoking some potent shit.
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:36 am

Even if they have all the resources, if help is being offered..why don't they take it?!

They are taking it.

Most foreign aid is coming from NGOs and UN based agencies (that in effect are funded by citizens in richer countries).
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:42 am

They are taking it.

Good. Its hard to imagine what those poor people must be going through in all the affected areas of India...and all the other countries also.
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:09 pm

That's just it. India has more than enough in cash to be able to manage and to help out other countries. That's the reason they aren't accepting it.

Non-cash assistance, such as medicine, relief supplies, equipment and manpower is more than welcome. This is because no matter how much cash India has in reserve, it takes an awful amount of time to procure the supplies needed to provide assistance.
 
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:31 pm

I believe it to be a good idea to allow countries that think they have enough cash to refuse unneeded aid so it can go to those who need it the most.

If Indian authorities are able to fund the efforts in their areas that frees up international funding for elsewhere.
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:35 pm

I believe it to be a good idea to allow countries that think they have enough cash to refuse unneeded aid so it can go to those who need it the most.

If Indian authorities are able to fund the efforts in their areas that frees up international funding for elsewhere.


Bingo! The governments and people of India and Thailand should be able to meet the direct financial requirements within their own countries quite easily. It's Sri Lankam Indonesia and the Maldives that need it the most.
 
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RE: India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief

Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:52 pm

Remember India has a huge population that can contribute to Aid,Only a few states were affected.
Since India can manage on its own,thats why no request for International assistance is needed.Also a lot of 'Pride' or put it as 'self respect'
Bottom line.....If We can manage ourselves,Why ask.
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