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Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:43 am

...what about others?

Two billion dollars has now been raised for the tsunami victims, which is excellent, but remember everyone else who needs aid.

At most, 200,000 people have died due to the tsunami. According to UNAIDS, in sub-Saharan Africa alone 2.7 to 3.4 million children have HIV. In total, 25 to 27.9 million children and adults have HIV in this part of the world. In 2003, 2.2 million to 2.5 million people died in sub-Saharan Africa of AIDS.

Put another way, for each single tsunami victim, ten people died of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa in 2003.

And it's not just HIV. According to UN-HABITAT, 1.2 billion people don't have safe drinking water. We're not talking about drinking water that's a bit muddy, we're talking about drinking water that kills. Each minute of every day, 5 people die in the world because the water they drink is dirty.

Many preventable deaths aren't caused by poor infrastructure, but by simple lack of money. In 2002, 1.14 million people died of malaria in Africa alone according to the WHO. That's two people every minute. Malaria is a treatable and preventable disease! Simple lack of money lets these people die.

So if you've donated to the tsunami appeals this month, next month don't keep your chequebook in your pocket. Many more people need your help in order to survive, and many more regions of the world can benefit much more from your $100 than you can.
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:51 am

While I totally agree that the Tsunami Aid is at a ridiculous amount in relation to the rest of the worlds problems...your example sucks. Africa receives massive amounts of aid from across the world. They have to be willing to help themselves as well instead of just fighting each other constantly.
 
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:53 am

What is the difference between a family in Indonesia trying to survive without a house, food or water, and a family in Africa that can't survive because 4/5 of them have HIV and malaria?

What governments do or not do is irrelevant - if countries around the Indian Ocean had prepared for a tsunami, then we wouldn't be giving aid right now.
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:03 am

That's why although we need the aid money, we would also like to remind people that donations are donations, they're not emotional taxes! Give what you want... to the Tsunami... or other natural/political/biological disaster victims...

if countries around the Indian Ocean had prepared for a tsunami, then we wouldn't be giving aid right now.

Well, the death toll might not be as high, but the destruction would still be there... In fact, more aid would have been needed because there would be more survivors to feed.

This aid programme isn't to pay for the dead, it's to pay for the living, to ensure they can rebuild their lives... Warning or no warning...

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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:00 pm

I agree that we are helping the tsunami people alot in relation to others. I mean the tsunami has not cahnged the fact that there are still homeless, starving people who struggle to survive in Africa, South America, Asia etc... on a permanent basis. I agree that we have forgotten them in relation to the tsunami, but people helping them is better than the 'normal' life where many people help no body at all.
 
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:37 am

There is a difference between man-made disasters and natural disasters. A tough guy in southern Africa killed off qualified farmers, sub-divided the land and put the land in the hands of his people-of-choice who know nothing of farming. The result was poor crops and the inevitable starvation of the masses. Of course there was a plea for aid, but the reaction was slow and under-funded. And the asshole that created the problem is still in power and is viewed as a capable leader. Will you send money to that region?
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:12 am

There is a difference between man-made disasters and natural disasters. A tough guy in southern Africa killed off qualified farmers, sub-divided the land and put the land in the hands of his people-of-choice who know nothing of farming. The result was poor crops and the inevitable starvation of the masses. Of course there was a plea for aid, but the reaction was slow and under-funded. And the asshole that created the problem is still in power and is viewed as a capable leader. Will you send money to that region?

I specifically used malaria, HIV and other natural disasters as an example.
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:19 am

Not to mention many of the victims are the very people who are suffering many of these plights you mentioned in the first place.

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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:27 am

True, but I spoke speficially about African malaria and AIDS.
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:40 am

We should all give generously to such causes all the time. However, many people view diseases like malaria as a fact of life in developing countries and are not moved to donate to make things better. But, at least people ARE giving now to tsunami victims. That is much better than sitting on our hands and saying "oh, but there is malaria and AIDS and nobody gives to those causes so I'm not going to donate to tsunami relief".

Look on the bright side. Something bad happened. People are giving, giving generously. We WILL make a difference to the survivors.
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:02 am

Well, there must be a predjudice to giving. To give just for a specific reason/group/cause? I think the answer is yes. Well, lets just say we gave and leave it at that. The only one who really needs to know is the recipient.
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RE: Helping Tsunami Victims Is Good, But...

Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:18 am

Giving aid to African leaders has done nothing to alleviate extreme poverty for the well-known reasons.I suspect even resources put aside for treating AIDS etc have been wasted.However,countries like Uganda have shown that you can make inroads into the problem of AIDS but only if you make EDUCATION a key part of it.Anti-retrieval drugs are great in that they can add years to a sufferer's life but that solve the long-term solution:increased wealth and knowledge of the disease are the 2 keys here and right now certain 'groups' in the West are not helping with the later by spreading false information.

Extreme poverty:All the more important to stress trade liberalisation ,especially in agricultural products,as a catalyst for development.Unfortunately too many special interests will continue to prevent it.

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