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Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:30 am

Would you say that Poland is in Eastern Europe.. simple yes or no.. here is the thread that started it all.. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1891841/

Here is a map to show what I think about the countries of Europe and what "zones" they come under..



BTW, I believe that Poland is Eastern Europe..

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:31 am

Yes, I would also say that Poland is in Eastern Europe.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:32 am

Poland is in fact in central Europe. Politically it was in eastern Europe.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:35 am

Geographically I'd say Eastern Europe, but I could see someone might believe it to be in Western Europe (it's close to centre on the map). Cultrally however I'd say Poland has a lot more in common with Eastern Europe than Western Europe. But hey, what do I know?  Smile

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:35 am

I would cay CentraL Europe
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:35 am

Also, how would Portugal be considered a Mediterranean country?
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:36 am

Poland is geographically in Central Europe. It was politically cast in Eastern Europe not by its own choice but by the diction of the "Big Three" and the oppressive USSR.

Contrary to what France/Germany and other people still stuck in the 1980's want you to believe, Poland is in fact in Central Europe. Remember, Europe ends at the Urals. And whether these people like it or not, Poland is as politically western as they come...NATO member, EU member, etc.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:41 am

Also, how would Portugal be considered a Mediterranean country?

Portugal is Southern Europe for me, not a Mediterranean country.

Contrary to what France/Germany and other people still stuck in the 1980's want you to believe, Poland is in fact in Central Europe.

Everything east from our borders is Eastern Europe for me (Yes, even the former GDR  Big grin).

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:50 am

Yes..............
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:50 am

If we have to divide it but into thirds - East, West and Med . . . then East it is. It's really central Europe . . . but hey . . . nice map . . .  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:54 am

Well, since everyone is now over here instead of reading my original thread about Air Koryo, I believe I might as well contribute and say that I, too, believe that Poland is in Eastern Europe.  Laugh out loud
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:05 am

Ok so currently we have..

Yes 6
No 3


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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:20 am

Whoever said "East of Vienna, the Orient begins" or words to that effect was right.

Besides, I always thought Poland was very much in Mitteleuropa?
 
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:21 am

Since when is the UK in Europe? Everyone I've known from GB has staunchly denied being from Europe. I mean it goes way back long before you opted out of use of the Euro. Maybe Ireland is in, but not England according to my friends. How about Wales and Scotland?

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:34 am

Isn't Austria part of Eastern Europe?
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:34 am

On second thought, Chris, it depends on who you ask. For example:



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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:46 am

Yes...

......(simple answer)
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:52 am

Jaspel,

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:55 am

Politically, historically, culturally and economically it's in Eastern Europe. Geographically it's in Central Europe. To me, "Eastern Europe" basically means "all Slavic/Slavonic/Slavonian countries".

I agree with Christa's map, except:
- Denmark is Scandinavian, as is Iceland
- Estonia is "in between" Scandinavia and Eastern Europe
- Slovenia (and Croatia, to an extent) are "in between" Eastern and Western Europe and the Mediterranean
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Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:30 am

I agree with Rlwynn and Aloges...politically; Eastern Europe...geographically; Central Europe...

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:40 am

Logan

Since when is the UK in Europe? Everyone I've known from GB has staunchly denied being from Europe. I mean it goes way back long before you opted out of use of the Euro. Maybe Ireland is in, but not England according to my friends. How about Wales and Scotland?

I am certainly a member of the EU community as is everyone else who lives in a country in the European Union. However, I believe that I am first British then Welsh and then European.. for example when I am on holidays and a person ask's where I am from, I will reply with Britain (or UK) and if they ask where in the UK I will reply with Wales.

I would never want to be part of the EURO however I do agree that a "United Europe" can only be good, for the economy, socially and militarily also.

I know that many people around me (In Wales) have positive feelings towards Europe and the EU, however people do not want to lose their national and region identities . In Scotland and in England I am sure that there are people who like the EU and others who do not..just as there are people for the Iraq War and people against it..

Jaspel

Poor Napoleon , eh?  Big grin

Aloges

I know that Iceland and Denmark are both in Scandinavia, however it was just a quick drawing and I couldn't be bothered to think too much, if you know what I mean? Plus I wanted to put "Iceland and Friends" in as for some sad reason I find it amusing.. as for the other two issues they are both debatable

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:46 am

Yes, to me Poland is in Eastern Europe. They were behind the Iron Curtain, and their people and culture are Slavic, similar to Ukranians and Russians, are they not?

I consider Portugal to be a Mediterranean country...Portuguese people have more in common with Italians and Greeks than with the French. Mr. Harlot gets mistaken for Greek or Italian all the time. Never anything else. "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" reminded me of *my* wedding!
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:57 am

I put Europe in only two categories, Western Europe and Eastern Europe.

I consider all former Warsaw Pact nations (excluding the former GDR), the former Soviet Socialist Republics, and Russia up to the Ural Mountains to be Eastern Europe, while I consider the rest of Europe to be Western Europe.

I do not consider Turkey to be part of Europe. While a small portion of Turkey is indeed in Europe geographically, I look at Turkey as a whole and I definately see them as being Asian despite their orientation towards Europe and the west (especially since for years they have been trying to get into the EU).

May seem too simple, but that's how it is for me. None of this Mediterranean, South Europe, Scandinavian, Iceland & Friends categories.  Smile

Maybe I'm a little old fashioned...



QuestAir,

Isn't Austria part of Eastern Europe?

Absolutely not. Austria is definately Western Europe both culturally and politically. Geographically I guess it could be either.

Geographically Austria is very much like Switzerland and parts of Germany (Bavaria region) and parts of Italy (South Tirol). However many areas in Eastern Europe have similar geography such as Slovenia and even Hungary.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:34 am

yeah which is why we decided to call ourselves Eurasia lol...

i hate it how half of turkey is displayed on maps of Europe...if we aren't in it...we shouldnt be displayed at all, esp since cuts right out where im from no FAIR!!

but im just messing Europe or not, humanity wins in the end

as for poland i say yes
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:57 am

WOW. No one from Eastern Europe answered. so let me shed some light into the subject.

Poland WAS considered eastern Europe until about the mid-late 1990s. If anyone has ever been to poland they would notice that Warsaw is just like any onther western capital(just a bit smaller). Now im not saying that its perfect throught the whole country. Im sure in the villages you would get that "Eastern Europe feeling". Since Polands entrance to the EU and NATO its becomming more and more of a western nation

No Country that was part of the Ex. Soviet Block would be Fully western until the generation that lived during that time is gone. Thats the Baiscs of it.

PS: also Polish does not use the cyrilic alphabet like most Eastern European Countries
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:03 pm

MNeo, how long would you estimate will it take countries like yours to become "westernised"; in case you think that is going to happen?

I'd like that a lot. Countries like Poland and France are both European, so why pretend all the huge differences between them, that make one country "Western" and the other one "Eastern", have to exist for all times? Just think about Marie Curie to understand why I chose Poland and France.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:42 pm

What´s the big deal anyway?

Being eastern european is nothing shameful - if somebody should have (had) negative associations with "eastern", it´s that which has to change.

Of course Poland is eastern european - so what?
Eastern Europe is no longer a gey, oppressed and backward region, it´s a rapidly changing and developing region with strong cultural and historical ties to the rest of Europe; A region where the unification and liberation of our continent has had one of its most important roots in the Solidarnosc movement.

I see nothing eastern Europe needed to be ashamed of!

Or where would eastern Europe start otherwise? At Russia? Mongolia? China? You gotta be kidding!  Nuts

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:00 pm

It's all Russia or Yugoslavia!  Nuts

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Yes, to me Poland is in Eastern Europe. They were behind the Iron Curtain, and their people and culture are Slavic, similar to Ukranians and Russians, are they not?

Yeah, go tell someone from Poland that they are like Russians!!!



 
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:00 pm

Christa: [map]
Aloges: Denmark is Scandinavian, as is Iceland

It's my understanding that the region of Scandinavia covers Denmark, Norway and Sweden, with those countries plus Finland making up Fennoscandinavia.

The Nordic countries are generally referred to as Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland, with the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and the Danish dependencies of Greenland and the Faroe Islands also having cultural and political ties to them as well (although not really coming under a convenient umbrella term to describe the entire region).

See this rather interesting link (or so I thought at least  Big grin)

Oh, and Jasepl: lol! Big grin

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:19 pm

If it was not for the 45 years man-made Iron Curtain that politically divided the continent, Poland has never been considered Eastern European.

Poland is a Central European country (= as a social construction) by all means, together with Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Romania.
Austria was historically in this group as well.

Eastern Europe starts at the Western borders of the countries adjacent to the Russian Federation: Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, and the Baltic States.

The remainder would fall between Southern Europe (P, Sp, I), South Eastern Europe, Scandinavia (which includes Denmark but not Finland) and Western Europe (including the British and Irish Isles).

 
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:38 pm

Christa,
To answer your topic - answer has to be Yes.
On a side note - you think Turkey is NOT part of the Mediterranean??? Err you have gotta be kidding there!!! What about Cyprus? Where do you classify them then - Southern hemisphere?

I think you need to start looking at proper maps or stop trying to draw maps up, either way your mapscribbling is pretty poor  Yeah sure


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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:53 pm

For me Poland is Eastern Europa Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:04 pm

Christa: Europe doesn't end on the border of Ukraine, Belarus etc...

Poland is in Central Europe IMHO

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:46 pm

Maybe the only ones in position to give an answer are ...the Poles themselves !!!

Any input ?

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Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:48 pm

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Sad but probably not too far from the truth...

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:53 pm

Maybe the only ones in position to give an answer are ...the Poles themselves !!!

I have 2 nationalities,Belgian and Polish, thus: Central Europe.

Many Poles don't like being associated with Russians, the cultures are quite different you know. And, geographical center of Europe IS in Poland.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:08 pm

know that Iceland and Denmark are both in Scandinavia,

No. Iceland is not in Scandinavia.
The only countries in Scandinavia is Sweden, Denmark and Norway. But there is a thing called the Nordic countries. And those are: Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Finland and Denmark.

But for going back to the Topic:
I think Poland is a Central European country. But have an Eastern Europe form of politics.
 
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:58 am

Central Europe.

the geographic center of Europe lies in Western Poland.

"Politically, historically, culturally and economically it's in Eastern Europe. Geographically it's in Central Europe. To me, "Eastern Europe" basically means "all Slavic/Slavonic/Slavonian countries"."

BS. Just because we have a Slavic language does not mean much. Poland is much more like the west as in the east. Our religion, written language and our history ties us with central/west not the east. look back at the 1500-1600s.

The Eastern Europe theory only comes after the 3 partitions of poland and then WWI and WWII.

And christ if anyone labels me with a russian again i swear to god..
 
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:06 am

And christ if anyone labels me with a russian again i swear to god..
...I will slap him twice with a fresh pstrong. Correct guess ?  Big grin
 
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:07 am

"BS. Just because we have a Slavic language does not mean much."

Are you OK with me calling you "idiot", then?  Yeah sure Read what I wrote in response to MNeo:

"Countries like Poland and France are both European, so why pretend all the huge differences between them, that make one country "Western" and the other one "Eastern", have to exist for all times? Just think about Marie Curie to understand why I chose Poland and France."

In the end, we're all European, and the differences between Western, Central, Eatern and whatnot European don't make anyone less worthy or anything, at least in my book.

As for Finland, I think it's much more Scandinavian than you might think. True, it was governed by the Russians for a long time, but so have the Swedish. Which language is the second most important in Finland again? You guessed right, Swedish. However, these definitions are nothing to start a fight over.
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:22 am

LO231
Many Poles don't like being associated with Russians, the cultures are quite different you know. And, geographical center of Europe IS in Poland
Holy words.

Poland was only politicaly in Eastern Europe. Same thing with Eastern Germany. Now Germans are forgeting that they were in Eastern Europe? People in Dresden have more in common with folks in Moscow then with people in Berlin. Tell me its not truth?

And one more thing. United States of America invested more in Poland since 1989 than WESTERN EUROPEAN countries. Yes, thats right. For many many decades, Poland was used and abused by many European nations.
After acceptance to EU Poland didn't want to sign European Constitution because it would be bad for them. Germans and French didn't expected that move. They thought that if Poland join the Union then they will be like puppets.
Now they (Poland) are standing up and defending their rights and Germans with French are argueing that this is not right. We have a voice, and if Polish people don't like some things that are suggested by EU countries then Polish government will fight for that. We are no more "your bitches". We are a country in European Union so treat us with respect and value our existance.
Last year, Germany dumped last remaining Mig-29s to Polish Air Force. Where did Germany got them from? I believe that they were acquired when DDR (Eastern Germany) were part of Eastern Europe. So how come nobody on this board mentions that Germany is in Eastern Europe? Poland and Eastern Germany left communist block exactly the same year, 1989. So tell me why the hell nobody remembers that? You are telling us that Turkey is not in Europe because only smaller half of it is acctualy in. Thats why nobody remembers that half of the Germany was communist.
In 1920s and 30s Poland had one of the strongest economies in Europe. Polish Mark was the strongest currency in ENTIRE Europe, but the war ended it. Over 6.5 million Polish people were killed, entire country was leveled to ground. Economy was nonexistent.
USA took Germany under control. Poland was taken by Russia. Look at us now. Germany is one of the strongest countries in Europe and with great economy. Poland on the other hand has 18.7% unemployment rate.
So don't you ever associate Polish person to Russian (I have nothing agains Russians people). We have more in common with Hungarians then with Russians.

I could go on and on, but I don't want to get into arguments with other members of this forum.

To answer your question: Poland is NOT in Eastern Europe.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:25 am

In the recent past Poland was Eastern Europe.

But historically Poland has always looked West.

Yes, we Pollacks, are Slavic, but we use the Roman Alphabet unlike any other Slavic language. Poles are Roman Catholic not Orthodox. Poland was always the Frontier country between the Turks and Tartars of the east and the west.

Poland always identified itself with the west. Before World War II, Poland looked to the west to Britain and France for support, It did not look to the East or other Slavic nations.

Only as I said after WWII could you call Poland part of the East. I don't think you can weigh 50 years of Cold War history more heavily in the East's favor, than 500 years of previous Western influenced history.

Poland is part of the West.
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:46 am

"After acceptance to EU Poland didn't want to sign European Constitution because it would be bad for them. Germans and French didn't expected that move. They thought that if Poland join the Union then they will be like puppets."

The thing is, along with the Spanish (when Aznar was PM) the Polish were bitching about the constitution long before they even were EU members. How's that for arrogant? If they don't want the constitution that's supposed to make the EU work, why join it?

"Now they (Poland) are standing up and defending their rights and Germans with French are argueing that this is not right. We have a voice, and if Polish people don't like some things that are suggested by EU countries then Polish government will fight for that. We are no more "your bitches". We are a country in European Union so treat us with respect and value our existance."

You never were "our bitches". And when did this "Germany and France want to control everything" argument get started? Just the fact that the two countries have always been the driving forces of pan-European integration doesn't mean we want to give you orders. We've got some serious issues to sort out, and yet we're still better at working together than the rest of the EU. What might that tell you?

Last year, Germany dumped last remaining Mig-29s to Polish Air Force. Where did Germany got them from? I believe that they were acquired when DDR (Eastern Germany) were part of Eastern Europe. So how come nobody on this board mentions that Germany is in Eastern Europe?"

Uh-huh. So if the Polish people so desperately didn't want those MiGs, why did you government not defend the right to not buy them? Damned if we do, damned if we don't, right?  Yeah sure
Using your reasoning, if owning MiGs makes someone Eastern European, then producing large amounts of Vodka must make the Polish (and the Swedish  Nuts ) Russian.

"Thats why nobody remembers that half of the Germany was communist."

The Germans remember, trust me. More that we probably should.

"So don't you ever associate Polish person to Russian (I have nothing agains Russians people). We have more in common with Hungarians then with Russians."

Who said Eastern European means Russian? I for one think the Russians aren't Eastern European, they don't really fit in that category. They're simply Russian.
Your fierce opposition to being associated with Russia tells me that you do have a problem with that country. I do too, at least with its President.

"To answer your question: Poland is NOT in Eastern Europe."

I think all answers to that question are subjective, to some degree.
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:50 am

"Yes, we Pollacks, are Slavic, but we use the Roman Alphabet unlike any other Slavic language."

So what alphabet do the Czechs use? And are the Turks in no way oriental just because they use our alphabet?

Folks, again: being Eastern European is nothing you need to defend yourselves against.
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:12 am

Aloges,

I'm not defending Poland not being Eastern. We were after the war until 1989. Thats it. But people still think about Poland as 3rd world country.

Yes, Polish people were bitching about UE constitution before joining. Is that bad? If you know that somebody will kick you after you go around the corner would you still go there? Poland wanted be safe before entering EU. But according to you thats bad.

You didn't get my point about PAF accepting Mig-29s.

Nevermind. Its like talking and nobody ever listening what you have to say.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:24 am

"But people still think about Poland as 3rd world country."

Really? I don't know of any. Give it time, and Poland may very well end up being as well off, economically, as that big bad bastard to the left who's allegedly trying to control everything they do.

"Poland wanted be safe before entering EU. But according to you thats bad."

It's not. It's just that no Polish politician seemed to listen to anything others had to say. That was an abysmal start of their EU membership, and I'm happy Miller (and Aznar, for that matter) got kicked out.
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:06 am

You never were "our bitches". And when did this "Germany and France want to control everything" argument get started? Just the fact that the two countries have always been the driving forces of pan-European integration doesn't mean we want to give you orders. We've got some serious issues to sort out, and yet we're still better at working together than the rest of the EU. What might that tell you?

Jeez, the ignorance of "Western Europe" is only rivaled by that of the United States.

Crack open a Polish History book, Aloges, you'll find that Krauts and Frogs don't come off as good guys at all through most of it. What have France and Germany done to eliminate the very real, and still prevalent feelings of mistrust among Poles towards you?

As per your comments to LOT, you don't even know what he was complaining about and you start to open your yap...watch who you call "idiot". A lot of Poles don't like being lumped in with the Russians...that's what Peter was complaining about. Again, crack open a Polish History book...while the Krauts and Frogs don't look good, they can at least take solace that they don't look anything like the Ivan...

But what would I know...I, like the rest of us "Pollacks" are just a bunch of subsistance farmers who are too dumb to know that when all of our neighbors, (and even the US and UK) stumbled over each other for the chance to take advantage of us, they were actually helping our poor dumb selves.

If only you knew how Poles truly regard Germans, French, etc. A pack of untrustworthy barbarians...there is no reasoning with them, other than a violent hit to the head to make them remember their place. But I digress, stereotypes like that are what has gotten us into this unproductive fight in the first place.

The fact is, there is an overwhelming feeling among Poles that the French and Germans don't accept us, and don't want us. History, and recent comments by France's President stating that "we missed a good opportunity to shut up" don't do anything to build trust.

Fact is, most Poles don't support the war in Iraq...but do the French expect Poland's support after comments like that? Go ahead, dismiss it as a shot at our government and not at the people, but noone east of the Oder/Odra river believes you. And no other country, particularly not the United States, would get away with such a comment...though I still don't put it past the Shrub to do something like that.

And as for the Constitution...many are concerned that France and Germany are getting too much clout in what is supposed to be the "European" Union. And there comes the second problem we have with the "Eastern Europe" label. Whether you like it or not, (and whether we like it or not) we are European, and France/Germany do not speak for a whole continent. You can't just continue to cast us as "Politically Eastern Europe" everytime the Polish government doesn't goosestep to the wills and whims of Jaques Chirac. But yes, I agree, the stonewalling was quite an odd episode for a country that wasn't even a member yet. But still, what has "Western Europe" actually done to eliminate the mistrust? Many Poles see it that if we don't join the EU, we will die economically and be crushed economically by EU members. Of course joining the EU should be positive, and of course, we do so because we have more in common with "Western Europe" than the CIS...of whose members we barely get along with.

"Eastern European" isn't seen as a shameful insult...it's seen as a political tool used by "Western Europeans" to dismiss us. Geographically, if I may nit pick, we are the "heart of Europe" and thus, Central Europe. The eastern fringe of the continent is the Ural Mountains.

And no, the British and Americans aren't trusted as much either...just moreso than France/Germany/Russia.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:34 am

There appears to be a blatant lack of poles in this discussion who actually live in Poland...  Wink/being sarcastic

Expatriates always have a somewhat different perspective... and when looking at the plummeting support for the polish europhobes, people are beginning to wonder if the substantial support flowing in from "the rest of Europe" is really a sign of oppression...  Nuts
 
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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:35 am

Hey all,

Poland is in Central Europe as is Slovakia and Czech Rep. as well as Austria.

According to a book Geographical Atals, Slovakia (Zemepisny Atlas Slovensko) the Geographical Central point of Europe is Slovakia in Kremnicke Banie N48.45 E018.55. So here you go.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

And also Poles are NOT only ones who use Roman Alphabet and there are other Slavic who are Roman Catholic rather than Orthodox. Also, I believe that there are 3 groups of Slavic nations. Western, Southern and Eastern.

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RE: Geography Poll :- Poland

Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:48 am

There appears to be a blatant lack of poles in this discussion who actually live in Poland...

So the rest of my family which still lives in Poland and still echo those worries I outlined count for shit right?

"Europhobes"...right, what have you done to allieviate the mistrust? Sounds like the "Frogs" and "Krauts" here missed a good opportunity to shut up.  Yeah sure

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