Espion007
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Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:42 am

I recently stumbled apon steak tartare in a small french restuarant next to the days inn on 8th ave in manhatten. For those who dont know,its basically a plate of minched RAW meat.

anyway,i found it an interesting dish. Alot of people are grossed out by the idea of eating raw meat.what are your opinions on it? Have you tried it?and if so,have you had any medical problems related to the raw meat?
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:50 am

all i have to say is... ucch! Medium, Medium Rare is good for me. My father in Sweden loves Steak Tartare, it's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:56 am

There was this guy I read about that ate raw beef, all was fine until a few weeks down the line he began getting really bad stomach cramps, they got worse daily until one day he went to the loo and...... well lets just say he gave birth to the mother of all tapeworms!!! 8ft long, It was like an anaconda from his a**! It kept his weight down though which in this day and age can't be bad! Some of these stakes that I see cooked with blood dripping from them, euuurggh!! they look as though a good vet could get them going again! I dont eat meat but if I did I would want it incinerated so I know for sure its dead!
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:13 am

What's wrong with fresh raw meat (BEEF) ? or fresh raw fish ?

I can understand the ouchh in hot and technically uncivilized places, where meat is (or was rather recently) hanging above the pavement, a fieldday for insects.
In Greece a steak is at most 3/8" thick, stays half a day in water, cooks slowly for at least 20 minutes and can easily be used as a good replacement for a sole. Locals have no idea what meat tastes like and have the same "ouchh disgusting" and some do run for the bathroom.
Though they never tried.

Do yourself a favour, try a fresh tuna steak or a steak tartare and leave your preconceptions at the entrance...if you dare.







 
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:17 am

Whatever happened to "Thoroughly Cooking of Meats Reduces the Risk of Foodborne Illness" ... just kidding-it's not so much the FBI that bugs me, it's just not my cup of tea and it grosses me out, some may like it and that's great! I do eat raw seafood. Something about meat that's red on the OUTSIDE is just not psychologically appealing, and probably because of that would never taste good to me.
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:18 am

Do yourself a favour, try a fresh tuna steak or a steak tartare and leave your preconceptions at the entrance...if you dare.

And whilst your eating your steak tartare you can think of a pet name for your tapeworm! Hmmm....what about loopy?
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:14 am

In Germany, all meat has to be very thoroughly checked for all kinds of things that don't belong in it, so it's pretty safe to eat raw meat. I'm the only one of my family of four who doesn't eat raw minced meat, simply because I don't like it, and neither my parents nor my brother have ever had problems caused by eating it. All of us eat air-dried ham, smoked ham and other uncooked meat.
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:39 am

Catatonic,

I know, anything else than mint flavoured water boiled ......

Seriously, you can and sometimes do get the worm but only from (raw or unsufficiently cooked) ) PORK meat.
You read it wrong or the guy lied, he cannot get this from anything else than pork.
 
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:17 am

Steak tartare is best when accompanied by a raw egg yolk. Seriously.
 
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:23 am

I like my beef cooked fairly well, but shushi is so good! One of my favorites.
 
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:20 pm

Agreed...raw egg, salt , pepper and onions spread on a fresh baked bun...lightly buttered.

THE BEST!!!

From what I understand the meat used in tartar is processed specially for the purpose of eating it raw and is an excellent cut. Also, when somebody purrchases the tartar make sure your butcher makes it fresh for you or has been made within 1 hours time. The meat should be eaten soon thereafter.


Tapeworm?? please  Nuts


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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:48 pm

Italians have a variety of dishes called Carpaccio. They are various types of meat sliced paper thin, and garnished with all sorts of good stuff (i.e. capers, balsamic vinegar, etc.). I love it.

Also, in northern Wisconsin they serve something called a Cannibal Sandwich, which is raw ground beef, onions, pepper, garlic and lemon juice. I sat next to one, once.  Smile

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RE: Steak Tartare

Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:56 pm

Italians have a variety of dishes called Carpaccio. They are various types of meat sliced paper thin, and garnished with all sorts of good stuff (i.e. capers, balsamic vinegar, etc.). I love it.


CARPACCIO....

YUM!

I had forgotten about that! Ugh.. Get me to Italy.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:18 am

I am a big fan of tartare steack. And one of my pleasure is to order it when I am with my american colleagues...
But after a first reaction of surprise, some try it, and the next day, they are very happy to order one !
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:05 am

I prefer beaver tartare


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Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:34 am

So let me get this straight...this is a dish of just plain raw beef? or is there some kind of other flavoring?

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RE: Steak Tartare

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:28 pm

Right,

Better to tell what it is first...

Legend tells that it comes from the Huns and other Tartars coming down from the steppes of Asia. They ate raw (horse) meat and to soften it, placed it for a few hours under their saddle.
Truth is, the word was created by Jules Vernes in his fiction "Michel Strogoff", the recipe existed already.

- (absolutely) fresh beef steak (preferably the filet), minced
- finely cut onions
- cappers (marinated in vinegar)
- peper and salt
- finely cut fresh herbs (chive is perfect)
- a pinch of Worcester sauce
- a self-made mayonnaise made of one or two yolks, a little vinegar, French
mustard, salt and pepper

Mix and enjoy, preferably with a green salad and French fries (a theft, fries are actually Belgian).
 
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:30 pm

Wow...that actually sounds pretty good...I just asked my mom about it, and she said she hasn't heard of it being served in restaurants in a long time...

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RE: Steak Tartare

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:54 pm

Greg,

If your mother is interested, get her on line, I will give the precise recipe (I did hide a couple of ingredients...). I also forgot a little oil for the mayo.

It is especially popular in France, Belgium and I think England and is the main speciality of many a restaurant.
For the salad I can offer a sauce (own creation) made with fresh cream, extract of meat, vegetable salt,.... even the Greeks (not culinary adventurers)are finishing the plate with spoons and drying it with bread.
 
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:03 pm

Heh...no, she finds the concept revolting (shes a "well-done" meat person), but I definitely would love to try it if I could find it in a restaurant somewheres (I am a "rare" meat person, so raw wouldn't bother me terribly)...

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RE: Steak Tartare

Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:36 pm

I remember the Maria Callas case. She ate a lot of Beef Tartare full of solitaire [ taenia spp. (tape-worm) ] eggs. She lost about 80 pounds at that time...
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RE: Steak Tartare

Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:43 pm

I love the German version, Mettbroetchen!! with chopped onions and heissesenf, yum!!!
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RE: Steak Tartare

Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:41 am

Once on Iron Chef they made *turkey* tartare. Just the thought of it made me want to gag.
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RE: Steak Tartare

Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:24 am

Tacaa,

It is indeed a remarkable way to loose weight and has the advantage to be fully and easily controllable. (I wont go into details here...but it is)

Mistake however, the worm is not present in BEEF meat, only in PORK.
 
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RE: Steak Tartare

Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:04 am

Isn't there a lamb version? Lebanese dish called kibbe (sp)?

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RE: Steak Tartare

Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:23 am

Mmmm...steak tartare! *wipes drool away from mouth*

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RE: Steak Tartare

Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:35 am

Can we get rid of this thread....

..... i'm getting very hungry  Smile


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RE: Steak Tartare

Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:45 am

Indeed, Andz - that's kibbe nayeh, one of the methods of preparing kibbe. I prefer it baked or fried myself  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Steak Tartare

Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:28 am

Raw Beef is good. Has to be fresh. Really, really, REALLY fresh. And from a trusted butcher, too.

I thought Tartare was filled with a bunch of flavorings, though. I would love to get it at a restaurant, but I know of no place in the US that serves it. Anyone else see it on a menu?
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RE: Steak Tartare

Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:56 pm

Cloudboy ...with a bunch of flavorings...

That's a Belgian version of the steak tartare, tailor-made for US (GI's) tastes at the end of WW2, and it is called steak américain. (no need for a translation I assume)

From the recipe in reply #16, you delete 1/4 of the beef and the hand-made mayonnaise, but add ready-made mayo and a good chunk of ketcup.

Since there seem to be some potential clients here, let me add that a few drops of hot stuff make it even better.
For the home-made hot stuff, find a small bottle with a drop-by-drop top.
Fill to 3/4 with dried red chilli peppers.
In a small pan, warm up an appropriate quantity of whisky (no need for single malt here), take out just before it boils, pour into the bottle with the peppers.
Keep it safe for 6 months, but shake it regularly.
The result will be a black and hot marvel.
 
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RE: Steak Tartare

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:33 am

Anyone else see it on a menu?

yes if your willing to drive to new york.....
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RE: Steak Tartare

Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:18 am

Steak tartare is delicious.

The beef has to be very fresh and you need the right condiments in the meat presented to you - fresh black pepper, capers, a dash of vinegar and worcestershire sauce in the meat. Onions, a raw egg (optional), fresh butter, and really good french bread go superbly with this classic dish.

Here in Washington, DC, we have an excellent raucous french bistro named Bistro du Coin that serves the best version I have had. Ever. Even better than the steak tartare I've had in restaurants in New York or Paris.

I've never heard of turkey tartare. I would never eat raw fowl. Nasty things, birds are.
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RE: Steak Tartare

Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:56 am

Steak tartare is actually very nutritious. There are amino acids and proteins in beef that are changed by cooking so that your body doesn't get the full benefit from it that it could. It's good to eat raw foods sometimes. Steak tartare isn't easy to prepare at home, though. I think of it as a dish best served at a good restaurant. The beef (I'd get high-quality organic beef) ought to be frozen for two weeks at home, then thawed in the fridge to make sure it's safe to eat, if you want to prepare it at home.


Birds are nasty salmonell-ridden creatures. Poultry tartare ought be be avoided. And there really is such a thing as pork tartar:

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RE: Steak Tartare

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:04 am

Steak tartare, absolutely delicious, and yes, it is done with raw egg yolk, chopped onions, pepper, salt, some people like it with capers (is that correct in English? Small and green, very tasty), eat it on fresh crusty bread with butter...tapeworms, my ass...I don't believe this!!!

Same goes for Steak americaine...just had one in Luxembourg at this great restaurant just off Place des Armes!

And yes, Sushi is great, too!!!

Mettbroetchen, thanks, but no thanks...much too fat, but rather popular in Berlin it is. Jeez, Andz, what do you mean...heisser Senf..mustard warmed over???
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RE: Steak Tartare

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:19 am

I had some fantastic steak tartare at a Japanese restaurant here. I forget the Japanese name of the dish, but it is "cooked" by marinating it in lemon juice (as with seafood) and served with onions and a horseradish sauce. Cullinary freakin' orgasm. Followed it up with smoked eel and avocado sushi and lots of plum wine.

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RE: Steak Tartare

Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:33 am

Andreas,
...... stop now. Along with this tatar therad and the Weisswurst thread, you make me very hungry. I don't feel like driving an hour into Toronto to get "authentic" German food.  Smile


Logan,

.....Cullinary freakin' orgasm LOL


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RE: Steak Tartare

Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:12 am

Andreas,

Do you mean "Hackepeterschrippen"?!  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Steak Tartare

Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:09 am

ah great....

now get the Pilsner involved  Smile

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